The Dark Knight Rises How could the Lazarus pits work in Nolan's final batfilm?

[mcallima]

Who cares if it's possible? It's cool. If Nolan actually brings in the Lazarus Pit, I'll forgive him for most of TDK.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Please tell me how fudging science to change what we know about mobile phones is less realistic than outright claiming that a magical pit can bring people back from the dead.

because the universe created in these films have set no precedent that should imply that their cell phones are any different from our cell phones in the real world. so, as an audience we are going to hold them to the same standard.

but despite the grounded in reality universe that the films have defined, its left room for more fantastic elements that allows for things like the lazarus pit to exist rather comfortably.

 

[JAK®]

No. Tell me why the hell anyone should have to bother explaining anything to you. Nolan will just end up doing it better than anyone here could anyway, so why don't you just wait and see in Summer 2012 and quit asking questions no one has real answers to.

Nah.

 

[djshankalicious]

Every cell in your body contains your entire genetic code that describes you entirely. Now each if these cells has a protective case around it, like the bits on shoelaces. This is called Telomorase. Every time a cell divides you lose a little bit of it. Fortunately there is enough of it to grow you into a full human being and pass in your genes (about 20 years worth), however then your supply still gets deeted and you age and be one weaker, as apposed to when you became stronger when ageing up to your physical peak. If Telomorase can be I troduxed into the cells and cellular regeneration technologies can be mastered then humans can have indefinite lifespans. All you have to say is this is a place on earth where it can occur naturally.

This is exactly the sort of explanation I can imagine hearing from Lucius Fox as he talks to a broken Bruce!

 

[Motown Marvel]

This is exactly the sort of explanation I can imagine hearing from Lucius Fox as he talks to a broken Bruce!

essentially, imagine the possibilities of stem cell research....and go take a bath in it.

 

[Travesty]

the Microwave emitter is nigh impossible to perfect.

 

[Pagan]

Why are people trying to say that the Lazarus Pits are inherently unrealistic? They are actually not only plausible, but possible too.

Every cell in your body contains your entire genetic code that describes you entirely. Now each if these cells has a protective case around it, like the bits on shoelaces. This is called Telomorase. Every time a cell divides you lose a little bit of it. Fortunately there is enough of it to grow you into a full human being and pass in your genes (about 20 years worth), however then your supply still gets depleted and you age and be one weaker, as apposed to when you became stronger when ageing up to your physical peak. If Telomorase can be introduced into the cells and cellular regeneration technologies can be mastered then humans can have indefinite lifespans. All you have to say is this is a place on earth where it can occur naturally.

The Fear Gas is FAR less plausible and the Microwave emitter is nigh impossible to perfect.

cell regeneration is a fact of nature. lizards grow their tails back all the time. we've seen the ability to program stem cells into growing specific tissues and features like ears and even organs. I don't see the leap of logic being that big.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

cell regeneration is a fact of nature. lizards grow their tails back all the time. we've seen the ability to program stem cells into growing specific tissues and features like ears and even organs. I don't see the leap of logic being that big.

Signed.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I'm sorry you're right, as it appears in Batman Begins the microwave emitter is nigh impossible to perfect. Would you care to know why? Light travels in straight lines, and as soon as the photon hits something all of it stops existing and things become visible. A concentrated microwave, in visible light is known as a laser, is a stream of single photons travelling together all packed, in Batman Begins, assuming the lasers are the camera lens looking objects on the side, would travel in those two directions, and the. Killing all those in the room who operated it and then it would melt the room. They work in terms of guns, which have been perfected as the beams are inescapable, but for heavy duty power like "seen" in Batman Begins, because they can't be used in a sealed room. However, there is something being developed that would be of near that power that can do damage to a large field of equipment. However it has to be suspended from one of those military planes, that are less planes more like flying castles of impending doom.



Sorry for the confusion.

 

[JAK®]

And because they didn't show microwaves in a perfectly accurate way, that means people can be brought back from the dead?

 

[jmc]

Why are people trying to say that the Lazarus Pits are inherently unrealistic? They are actually not only plausible, but possible too.

Every cell in your body contains your entire genetic code that describes you entirely. Now each if these cells has a protective case around it, like the bits on shoelaces. This is called Telomorase. Every time a cell divides you lose a little bit of it. Fortunately there is enough of it to grow you into a full human being and pass in your genes (about 20 years worth), however then your supply still gets depleted and you age and be one weaker, as apposed to when you became stronger when ageing up to your physical peak. If Telomorase can be introduced into the cells and cellular regeneration technologies can be mastered then humans can have indefinite lifespans. All you have to say is this is a place on earth where it can occur naturally.

The Fear Gas is FAR less plausible and the Microwave emitter is nigh impossible to perfect.

Yeah, but in a pool in the middle of nowhere?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

We never saw R'as die. And, also, why not? It only fits who the character is exactly, it would be like Batman not having a cape.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yeah, but in a pool in the middle of nowhere?

Meh. Never said it was flawless. Just entirely possible for teh reehulizmz dudes.

 

[jmc]

Regeneration is definitely possible in nature, countless evidence to support that, I just have trouble with the idea that regeneration would occur naturally in the form of a body of water. There could be a pseudo science behind it, but that's more laboratory and guys in white coats kinda stuff, I can't buy that some secret terrorist group somehow managed to find a way to do it locally and with the proper money and research require. It's too much of a stretch to give logic to magic.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

The character Ra's al Ghul is 600 years old right, shouldn't that type of Batman villain/rogue be too unrealistic for a Nolan bat-film to begin with? In regards to all of this fantasy talk.

The League of Shadows has been a check against human corruption for thousands of years. We sacked Rome, loaded trade ships with plague rats, burned London to the ground. Every time a civilization reaches the pinnacle of its decadence, we return to restore the balance.

Just saying.

 

[jmc]

That statement is more a nod to the comic fans. Everyone else more than likely would have taken away him meaning the organization had been around for thousands of years not himself.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

That statement is more a nod to the comic fans. Everyone else more than likely would have taken away him meaning the organization had been around for thousands of years not himself.

So in regards to Ra's al Ghul in BB, we should all considered him *RINO?

*Ra's In Name Only? t:

 

[Mister Meddle]

Tbh I don't really care if it's realistic or not. There were a number of things from the Nolanverse that would never happen in real life but it's called suspending disbelief. It doesn't matter if it's realistic or not, it just matters how it's presented. And keep in mind the Nolanverse is not a realistic world but it's based on one.

However I doubt it's going to be a big deal. Like they said Ra's is only going to be shown in a 30 second flashback (unless there's some other surprise?). I doubt Ra's is actually going to be fighting Batman.

 

[The Joker]

But they do transmit signals. The sonar machine in TDK used that fact to justify something that cannot occur in real life. But it makes sense in the universe the film portrays.

The Lazarus Pit, however, is outright magic. There is no real-world equivalent that you could use to justify it's existence.

Exactly.

because the universe created in these films have set no precedent that should imply that their cell phones are any different from our cell phones in the real world.

They set no precedent that they are not either.

but despite the grounded in reality universe that the films have defined, its left room for more fantastic elements that allows for things like the lazarus pit to exist rather comfortably.

Nothing, and I mean nothing in Nolan's movies have come close to the type of fantasy as the Lazarus Pit. Fear toxin is not even in the same hemisphere of fantasy as a pit of chemicals that revives a person to live for centuries. It is magic. Total and utter fantasy. Right up there with Clayface and Man Bat.

 

[Travesty]

I'm sorry you're right, as it appears in Batman Begins the microwave emitter is nigh impossible to perfect. Would you care to know why? Light travels in straight lines, and as soon as the photon hits something all of it stops existing and things become visible. A concentrated microwave, in visible light is known as a laser, is a stream of single photons travelling together all packed, in Batman Begins, assuming the lasers are the camera lens looking objects on the side, would travel in those two directions, and the. Killing all those in the room who operated it and then it would melt the room. They work in terms of guns, which have been perfected as the beams are inescapable, but for heavy duty power like "seen" in Batman Begins, because they can't be used in a sealed room. However, there is something being developed that would be of near that power that can do damage to a large field of equipment. However it has to be suspended from one of those military planes, that are less planes more like flying castles of impending doom.



Sorry for the confusion.

You don't have to have a plane to use an ADS weapon, which some would commonly refer to as a "microwave emitter", even though they don't use actual microwaves.

But encase you don't know, here's the definition, Bill Nye:

The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military.[1] It is a strong millimeter-wave transmitter primarily used for crowd control (the "goodbye effect"[2]). Some ADS such as HPEM ADS are also used to disable vehicles.[3] Informally, the weapon is also called heat ray.[4] Raytheon is currently marketing a reduced-range version of this technology.[5] The ADS was deployed in 2010 with the United States military in the Afghanistan War, but was withdrawn without seeing combat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, counter-personnel directed energy weapon. It uses breakthrough technologies to provide un-precedented, standoff, non-lethal capabilities at ranges beyond effective small arms range. ADS projects a focused, speed-of-light milli-meter-wave energy beam to induce an intolerable heating sensation on an adversary’s skin and cause that individual to be repelled without injury.

http://www.skewsme.com/energy_weapons.html


And they look like this:

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You can also look up more links to ADS weapons, and again, if you watch the BB extras, you'll see that Nolan even used these as reference to his movies. But hey, what do I know, these can only be used on planes, and not controlled by the Humvees like they normally are, because everybody would melt, especially when people are operating them from the Humvees like normal.

Could they make the beam hotter, and have the effects similar to what we see in BB? Of course, but hey, that's apparently "nigh impossible". As apposed to what you're saying about the Pit, I'm sorry, but ADS weapons are real, while a Lazarus pit is not, which, is why I rolled my eyes. To say they are far less plausible is laughable. And that's my point: Who are you to say that technology is less plausible than actual fantasy?

Hallucinogens? Check.

ADS/microwave emitter? Check

Lazarus pit? ..............

 

[Roids]

Well looks like bats back is in for a breaking , the pit will be fixing his spine I guess that's my view

 

[Alex Logan]

I'm going to laugh when this photo turns out to be faked.

 

[Gamma Ra]

We never saw R'as die. And, also, why not? It only fits who the character is exactly, it would be like Batman not having a cape.

EXACTLY!!!!

Rule One - if you didn't see the dead body....

Not to mention he's supposed to be as good as Batman.

 

[jmc]

So in regards to Ra's al Ghul in BB, we should all considered him *RINO?

*Ra's In Name Only? t:

No, there's enough ambiguity there for people to fill in the details themselves however they wish.

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

Have you already discussed the pictures of a grey haired Christian Bale? Do you think we'll see Batman's future in the movie?

EDIT: Wrong thread. Sorry.