how do you feel the villians were well cast in the 4 films

[the_ultimate_evil]

this is something a few friends and I have discussed a few times, the casting on of the villains in the first 4 batman films was pretty much well done with a few exceptions (freeze and bane) and after watching the 4 DVDs again its does seem that the this idea rings true IMO


The joker: Nicholson was only person at the time who could have pulled the joker off, and he did perfectly though I do know some fans hate his take of the character, but personally I though it was a brilliant blend of the early insane clown and the homicidal manic he has portrayed at times.

Penguin: the take on the character is sort of 50/50 between fans, again actor choice devito was the only one that could have been penguin for the time frame, and is still very hard to top. The origin changes could have been more subtle and not a split as much form its comic counterparts. But I did like the vicious streak Burton put in the character.

catwoman: again character that is sort of a half and half reaction with the fan community, the characterisation of catwoman and selina were to me at least very spot on, the whole twisted logic of which side is she truly one works well for the film. Again her origins changes were not necessary but I can understand the reasoning, Pfeiffer
played the part superbly and again apart from the animated series is the best transfer of the character from page to screen

Riddler: Carrey though enjoyable in the part did go to over the top, looking at some of his later films such a Truman and spotless mind, he could have played the riddler very dark and physiological but it may not have fit the tone of the film, I never understood the joker references people mention to me now that I’m older re-watching the films I get the feeling Carrey was using the late Frank Gorshin
as a reference for his performance more than anything

Two-face: I get the feeling watching the films now this character suffered due to the style and approach of the script, Tommy lee Jones personally could have played this part and character perfectly if he had went for the more “adult” approach. Looking at the other films he has started in as some kind of law official the character of two face seemed a perfect fit

Mr. freeze: total f**k up moving on

Bane: see mr freeze

Poison Ivy: much like Jones take on two face I feel Thurman’s take on ivy could have worked with a better script and movie, when she appearance in costume for the first time, I do feel the chosen actress suited the character extremely well, and looking and the way Burton handled the sexuality of catwoman I’ll always wonder how he would have approached ivy.


What your opinions

 

[Kevin Roegele]

The best two were in Returns. Burton imporved the characters, and DeVito and Pfeiffer played them with real sympathy and pathos. It's ridiculous that anyone could dismiss such wonderful performances simply because they aren't exactly like the characters in the comic.

 

[The Joker]

The best two were in Returns. Burton imporved the characters, and DeVito and Pfeiffer played them with real sympathy and pathos. It's ridiculous that anyone could dismiss such wonderful performances simply because they aren't exactly like the characters in the comic.

I agree.

DeVito and Pfeiffer were the best IMO. With Nicholson followed closely behind. Tommy Lee Jones could have been a great Two Face, had the character been properly written. Same for Thurman as Poison Ivy.

Never liked the idea of Carey as Riddler. Or Schwarzenegger as Mr Freeze.

 

[dude stannis]

Nicholson, DeVito and Pfiffer where spot on. Uma could've been an excellent Ivy likewise for Tommy Lee Jones as Two - Face (Dear Akiva Goldsman, burn in hell).

 

[Catman]

With the exception of Schwarzenegger and...I guess...Bane all the actors were properly cast. Well, not sure about Tommy Lee Jones since he isn't a pretty boy per say. I think Billy Dee Williams would have been a better Two-Face, but anyway, they were all pretty well cast.

As for their performance...thats a different story and a matter of opinion. But, the casting was spot on.

 

[El Payaso]

DeVito and Pfeiffer and Nicholson. Those were the best.

Tommy Lee Jones could have been great... but was poor and bad.

But yes, I liked Carrey's Riddler for what it was.

Schwarzenegger and Thurman were really the worst acting job I've ever seen. Made me wanna shoot them.

 

[El Payaso]

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[The Chairman]

Nicholson, DeVito and Pfeiffer were perfect.

Carrey could've done it well if he played it darker.

TLJ, Arnold and Uma were all grossly miscast.

 

[The Chairman]

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[The Shredder]

Nicholson as Joker was great.

Devito and Pfeiffer were awesome in their respective roles as The Penguin and Catwoman. So another thumbs up.

Jim Carrey ... eh. He was ok. I felt Robin Williams would have made a better choice, but at the time Carrey was red hot coming off the success of Ace Ventura and Dumb and Dumber and no doubt did he bring in some extra coin to Batman Forever's box office numbers.

Tommy Lee Jones: Not Impressed. Sure, he could have made a great Two-Face, provided the character being written better in the script. But I believe it would have taken quite a bit to get the approach of a 1960's Batman villain out of the mindset of Jones. And with Schumacher directing, I'm sure that didnt help matters in the least bit.

And out of the villains in B&R, I only found Uma Thurman to be halfway decent in her role. Ahnuld and the late Jeep Swenson (I think thats his name) were nothing memorable thats for sure.

 

[Stevens25]

The best two were in Returns. Burton imporved the characters, and DeVito and Pfeiffer played them with real sympathy and pathos. It's ridiculous that anyone could dismiss such wonderful performances simply because they aren't exactly like the characters in the comic.

I agree as well. That's one of the reasons BR is my favorite of the old movies. Although I've always wondered how Jim Carrey would've played as the Joker?

 

[Catman]

Jim Carrey ... eh. He was ok. I felt Robin Williams would have made a better choice, but at the time Carrey was red hot coming off the success of Ace Ventura and Dumb and Dumber and no doubt did he bring in some extra coin to Batman Forever's box office numbers.

Indeed. And, don't forget The Mask.

 

[Vile]

The only casting I enjoyed was Nicholson as The Joker.

A mutant penguin...
A zombie catwoman...
An annoying Riddler...
A non-threatening Two-Face...

They all sucked.

Well, do I need to even go into the baddies from Batman and Robin?

 

[The Joker]

The only casting I enjoyed was Nicholson as The Joker.

A mutant penguin...
A zombie catwoman...
An annoying Riddler...
A non-threatening Two-Face...

That's not casting you're criticizing there. It's character portrayl. Meaning how the characters were written, not who was cast as them. Two completely different things.

 

[Morgoth]

Jack was perfect as The Joker, even Bob Kane only wanted Nicholson.

Devito would've been better as the Penguin if they didn't turn him into that much of a freak. It was kinda' perfect casting, wasted.

Jim would've been better as Riddler if he had brown hair and didn't over do it, same with Two-Face, you have a very good serious actor, who just screwed it up. Sounds like Tommy only did it 'casue as he said his kid knew about the character yet he didn't and apparently didn't get to know him all that well.

I hate Uma as Ivy, I hate her anyway, she is an over actor, and very ugly.

Arnold as Freeze was cool but if it had been done seriously it would've been good.

Michelle as Catwoman was great, the voice and everything was just right.

 

[mister Lennon]

The funny thing about tommy lee jones playing two face was that at first, he did it because his kid was a great fan of the character and of the batman comics. But when tommy lee read some comics about two face, he loved the character and he wanted to do it in a dark and tragic tone, but shumacher ask him to do it campy. For that reason and the different points of view about the character, jones didnt get along anymore with schumacher. In fact he hates this movie and his work in it and doesnst talk about it anymore.

 

[Two-Face]

The funny thing about tommy lee jones playing two face was that at first, he did it because his kid was a great fan of the character and of the batman comics. But when tommy lee read some comics about two face, he loved the character and he wanted to do it in a dark and tragic tone, but shumacher ask him to do it campy. For that reason and the different points of view about the character, jones didnt get along anymore with schumacher. In fact he hates this movie and his work in it and doesnst talk about it anymore.

I like Tommy Lee Jones' movies and Two-Face is my favourite Bat-villain Jones could've been great if idiot ****maker and WB didn't rape the character like Joker type character I pity Jones and I believe if he was in Burton Bat or Nolan Bat movie he would have kicked ass.

 

[El Payaso]

The funny thing about tommy lee jones playing two face was that at first, he did it because his kid was a great fan of the character and of the batman comics. But when tommy lee read some comics about two face, he loved the character and he wanted to do it in a dark and tragic tone, but shumacher ask him to do it campy. For that reason and the different points of view about the character, jones didnt get along anymore with schumacher. In fact he hates this movie and his work in it and doesnst talk about it anymore.

The funny thing is that Michael Keaton faced the exact same problem, but he just said NO.

 

[mister Lennon]

The funny thing is that Michael Keaton faced the exact same problem, but he just said NO.

Horray, im agree with el payaso for second time in my life. At least Keaton was enough honest to say not to that kind of work. I dont know why Jones didnt say not if he wasnt agree with that point of view.