No genuinely good fight scenes in any of the four films

[spdrknight]

He's not an urban legend in BATMAN FOREVER though. He's a public figure. As he was in BATMAN RETURNS, and at the end of BATMAN. So it fits in well enough. Batman wasn't always a creature of the shadows. He used to appear in public quite a bit in the 70's and 80's. Still does, really. People just conveniently forget about him.

But it was just silly... it was like he didn't mind people seeing him and staring at him as he fought and did his thing. I don't imagine Batman going out of his way to make his presence know to the public. Plus, when some crime was happening... Batman usually didn't confer with Gordon first, he would go in and kick some butt and if he need to talk to Gordon he did it later on and not infront of everyone.

And yeah, in Returns people saw Batman but it is not like he was standing infront of them having a conversation with someone. He was out fighting and it couldn't have been avoided. And even then, he didn't stay infront of people for very long.

 

[Two-Face]

I agree that Batman would kick ass before talking to Gordon, In Forever Batman was like when he meets Chase and he was interested in Chase more then what Two-face was going to do. comic Batman would have dealt with Two-Face then would have meant Chase.

 

[The Guard]

But it was just silly... it was like he didn't mind people seeing him and staring at him as he fought and did his thing. I don't imagine Batman going out of his way to make his presence know to the public. Plus, when some crime was happening... Batman usually didn't confer with Gordon first, he would go in and kick some butt and if he need to talk to Gordon he did it later on and not infront of everyone.

He was figuring out what was going on. Confirming what he already knew. He's done it before in the comics before he goes into a situation.

As far as people staring at him while he does his thing, what are we talking about here? The opening with Two-Face or the scene at the Ritz Gotham? The whole point of being seen at the Ritz Gotham was that he was rescuing the crowd FROM Two-Face.

 

[spdrknight]

He was figuring out what was going on. Confirming what he already knew. He's done it before in the comics before he goes into a situation.

As far as people staring at him while he does his thing, what are we talking about here? The opening with Two-Face or the scene at the Ritz Gotham? The whole point of being seen at the Ritz Gotham was that he was rescuing the crowd FROM Two-Face.

Yeah, but like Two-Face said, he seemed more interested in Chase then he did with TwoFace.

The scene at the Ritz. Which was silly to me, all these people just stood around watching, don't you thin they would run away or take cover once Batman go there? The whole scene just bothered me, the whole movie did, it was not what I excepted.

 

[Proximo]

Dont forget the magasines in Chases apartment, Batman pose for Times....
Those things annyoing me! grr

 

[spdrknight]

Dont forget the magasines in Chases apartment, Batman pose for Times....
Those things annyoing me! grr

Exactly, it's just silly... both Forever and B&R. The camp started off slow in Forever and the came to the complete camp point in B&R.

 

[The Guard]

Yeah, but like Two-Face said, he seemed more interested in Chase then he did with TwoFace.

He's clearly brushing Chase off, other than the information she can provide about Two-Face, which is basically just confirming his own.

The scene at the Ritz. Which was silly to me, all these people just stood around watching, don't you thin they would run away or take cover once Batman go there?

I don't remember anyone standing around watching, I remember them scattering once he crashed through the skylight, but even if they did stand around watching, what were they supposed to do? Make a run for it and risk being gunned down? A superhero taking down an entire team of thugs isn't something you ignore.

 

[Proximo]

He's clearly brushing Chase off, other than the information she can provide about Two-Face, which is basically just confirming his own.



I don't remember anyone standing around watching, I remember them scattering once he crashed through the skylight, but even if they did stand around watching, what were they supposed to do? Make a run for it and risk being gunned down? A superhero taking down an entire team of thugs isn't something you ignore.

So if this was in the real world... and you was at convention and a famous murder walks in whit his gorillas, wouldnt you try to run away to "freedom" if someone else started to fight against them and take the eyes on this case Batman.

Anyway i took some screen shot and you can clearly see all the people around him... and on the second pic.. they are even cheering at him.

 

[cryptic name]

heh, that one guy's cheering. "go batman go!"

 

[The Guard]

Ok, seems like they did stand there and watch. But you know, if Batman crashed through a skylight to take out thugs, that's pretty much what I'd do too, I think. So would many people in the real world, simply because of the ridiculousness of the situation. That kind of mentality is just part of our culture. There's "fight" and "spectacle", and then there's "fight" and "spectacle".

 

[Proximo]

Ok, seems like they did stand there and watch. But you know, if Batman crashed through a skylight to take out thugs, that's pretty much what I'd do too, I think. So would many people in the real world, simply because of the ridiculousness of the situation. That kind of mentality is just part of our culture. There's "fight" and "spectacle", and then there's "fight" and "spectacle".

Well so what, Batman in the comics is a dark character and dont just swing into hundreds people and start to talk whit gordon, You got a point in the skylight scene but in the opening scene when he talks to chase and gordon you can clearly see all the people around.

Whole this movie have many flaws... im not gonna start talking about B&R

 

[regwec]

In Hush, Batman and Catwoman take down Harley Quinn and her mob in front of an entire opera audience.

 

[The Guard]

Exactly. There's no one interpretation of Batman. And sometimes he has to act in public.

 

[Proximo]

Well ofcourse he have to act whit people around also, But in Batman Forever it was just CAMPY.

When he fights in public in like animated series its not campy... those people run away from fear to get hurt..

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I still contend that the fight scenes in the four previous Batman movies aren't very good. Guard old buddy, you're right when you say they have some good ideas behind them. Keaton/Burton's way of Batman fighting, ruthless, efficient ass-kicking was very cool, but was as much to do with the restrictions of the costume as anything stylistic.

This restriction meant the fight scenes had to be pared down to a mimimum - Batman punches thug one, cut, Batman kicks thug two, cut. And what you say about Batman films featuring real people, fighting with real skills - that doesn't actually mean a lot in movies. Look at Indiana Jones, martial arts movies, James Bond, Die Hard, the list goes on and on. The Blade movies have some fantastic fight scenes where Blade never used his superpowers, just his martial arts. You can create a thrilling fight scene with just two guys, no weapons or powers. But there are none in the Batman movies so far.

 

[GuestStar2004]

no offence to anyone but

saying that batman forever having alot of flaws makes me think that batman returns also had some flaws of it own..

ok yes it did look cool but i could never understand why he had bat signals all around his manor that point into his window, now its been a while since i seen batman returns but thats not the best way to keep a secret! is it

then you got a load of penguins marching through gotham (anough said)

but i don't let things like that bother me

if you want realistic then wait for batman begins

 

[spdrknight]

ok yes it did look cool but i could never understand why he had bat signals all around his manor that point into his window, now its been a while since i seen batman returns but thats not the best way to keep a secret! is it

True, the whole Batsignal thing was kinda weird... but it was cool too.

 

[brainchild81]

If by "cool" you mean "dumb", then yes it was very cool.

 

[spdrknight]

If by "cool" you mean "dumb", then yes it was very cool.

No, I mean the shot and scene were cool... but the idea of it is weird, you would think people would notice Bat signals shining into Wayne Manor.

 

[BatmanRules33]

first off, wayne manor seems to be abo****ly nowhere near anybody, its just in the middle of nowhere, kinda. kinda reflects batmans personality, a loner, not alot of ppl around, so there wouldnt BE any need to worry about ppl seeing the batsignal shine through his house. plus, did anyone think of WHY maybe he actually had those signals all around his house? cuz the batsignal is so far out that bruce or alfred would not always be able to see it, so when it DID shine in gotham city, they kinda act like a remote control, turning on the "sensor" batsignals around his house, plus, the batsignals are not in the open, they are hidden aloft on the roofs of his house, so NOONE eve if ppl lived nearby, would be able to see it, let alone see it shine through the house (it doesnt even shine outwards, but inwards, go figure).

srry to get off topic, but since you ppl have to bring this up, i though i'd clear this up the best i can.

 

[The Guard]

Eh, the whole "miniature-signal" thing is just a clever way of having Bruce alerted to the signal when he's inside and not near a window or something. Much cooler than a beeping alarm or something.

 

[Carmine Falcone]

Much cooler than a beeping alarm or something.

Or Alfred anwsering the bat-phone...

 

[BatmanRules33]

^dumb.

 

[zimtk15]

The best are in Forever, especially the fights with Two-Face's thugs. Apart from the super thug in the cathedral in the B89, two-face's thugs were thugs that actually could fight. They seemed tough, like the one who lifted batman up (where batman took him down in the end) and the one who grabbed and lifted up Batman. How strong must we have been to do that, especially when in a heavy batsuit (look at the thug's bulging biceps!). The only reason they lost was because of Batman's gadgets (like the blue electric gun and the batarang).

 

[Comic Book Boy]

I liked the fights in MOTP:

The motor gang fight was great, the beginning fight, the Joker on the jetpack fight....All of them were very well done.