How do you fix a 3rd or 4th world country?

[Sentinel X]

This is somewhat inspired by the Haiti Earthquake. The donations will only do so much...I think what Haiti needs most however is a good government which it is obviously lacking. Aside from eliminating corrupt politicians what would be some of the first steps Haiti (or any 3rd/4th world country for that matter) could do to better itself?

I feel education is such an important key to the success of a country...but with so many people below the poverty line, do you really think they will be sending their kids to school? These people have resorted to eating DIRT (yes...dirt cookies, check it up) because they have nothing to eat...so I doubt they would even care to do this when its a matter of survival day to day. Overall its a bigger mess over than than I thought. But if the US wants to help Haiti in the long run I think it should help it improve its industries if anything. Suggestions?

 

[bell110]

Honestly, there is nothing we can do. Poverty is just a fact of life. America can't and shouldn't fix or solve every countries problems. If we just give them money, it will just go to the corrupt politicians. If we "eliminate" the corrupt politician, well, just look at Iraq.

 

[The Goods]

poverty is a part of life. just be thankful you weren't given the short straw

 

[Kelly]

I think we first have to realize that our "way of life" IS NOT the standard of what the world should be...

We tend to "need" more...and these countries that you speak of, do not.

There are several things that can be done, and India is an example of this...

#1 on the UN list, and most lists of private organizations around the world is to empower women. India has been an example of what this can do. It works in the two most important areas of humanitarian work.

1. The population growth problem...
2. Education...

And it WORKS, it is being seen daily in many countries of Africa as well.

Also, it just doesn't take as much money as people think, if given to the right organizations, who's people are "on the ground" in these areas.

Example: A pastor out of Seattle, Washington went to Southeast Asia, and toured several villages in this region. He found that education is working, in that the young people are getting an education, and a good one....BUT, they are moving into the cities for jobs in great number, including those that went to colleges to become teachers. He asked some of the leaders of the villages what it would take to keep these teachers in these villages. The leaders said, in almost every case, $40. He thought that meant a week, and he thought that might be a problem. The leaders did not mean that, they meant, $40 a year. So he began the charity..."One Day's Pay" where you can donate one days pay each month. It is an unbelievable program that is sponsoring MANY teachers in this region.

The day we think that nothing can be done, is the day that we lose these countries. I believe Africa to be the "heart" of the earth....and if we lose these countries, we lose our heart. There is a lot to do, but it can be done.....one step at a time.

 

[Paradoxium]

Raises the taxes on Haitian, expand the government, regulate every single behavior and give pay raises to politicians and special interest.

 

[Kelly]

No, first you have to write a constitution that states what to do, and then do directly opposite. Come on dox there is a step by step to this...

 

[hippie_hunter]

Frankly, I think that the Earthquake in Haiti has completely left it in an unrecoverable state.

 

[Kelly]

I don't know....that is a possibility, I'm certainly not unrealistic enough to think that that won't happen. But these people are tough. IMO, if it totally disrupts the government, then that is a positive. This country is absolutely beautiful and could be a tourist mecca easily, if the government corruption could be brought under control.

I just heard a story from a CNN reporter talking about how the other night, in one of the medical tents, a woman who was injured began humming, and then singing the Haiti National Anthem, within minutes over 300 injured Haitians were singing their National Anthem. These people deserve for their country to come back strong and vibrant. They are hard workers, beautiful people, they love their country...they just have a ****** government full of corruption. Maybe this is their start.

 

[A&W]

after we fix our own disasters created by Bush and company, perhaps we can engage in trade and regulate the trade in a way that economists feel will help the lower class citizens of Haiti and not the politicians or the wealthy over there.

 

[SuperFerret]

Simple. You don't. There's always going to be poverty, suffering, disease, war, etc.

 

[Paradoxium]

after we fix our own disasters created by Bush and company, perhaps we can engage in trade and regulate the trade in a way that economists feel will help the lower class citizens of Haiti and not the politicians or the wealthy over there.

yea sure we do already, we subsidize certain industries to **** the Haitians in free trade and make them moar poor. We should "regulate" them into paying taxes, to subsidize these American industries to make it cheaper for them to buy our goods. It will stimulate our economy

 

[A&W]

yea sure we do already, we subsidize certain industries to **** the Haitians in free trade and make them moar poor. We should "regulate" them into paying taxes, to subsidize these American industries to make it cheaper for them to buy our goods. It will stimulate our economy

you have what i proposed confused with free trade which is the opposite of what I suggested. Free trade does nothing but expand the gap between the rich and the poor on a worldwide scale.

I intentionally was unspecific in what the trade deal should look like, because I said we should do it in a way that economists said would help. I was saying maybe listen to economists and hear what they have to say and then make a decision.

 

[Gilpesh]

The only way to fix a 3rd or 4th world country.... is to find the way that it will make corporations rich in the process of fixing it.

 

[Paradoxium]

you have what i proposed confused with free trade which is the opposite of what I suggested. Free trade does nothing but expand the gap between the rich and the poor on a worldwide scale.

I intentionally was unspecific in what the trade deal should look like, because I said we should do it in a way that economists said would help. I was saying maybe listen to economists and hear what they have to say and then make a decision.

Then make them all dig holes with spoons then has them bury it again but this time with a fork all at $20/hr. It will bring unemployment down. Then tax them and give to the politicians to fly jets in circle around the country to reduce pollution

 

[A&W]

fine whatever

 

[Hobgoblin]

Heck, with all the jobs we are sending overseas, I figure we were well on our way to fixing the developing world. The people will be where the West was in the 19th century. They will work long hours for little pay in unsafe conditions. Then they'll get sick of it and rebel and demand more rights. Then the corporations will want to move to another cheap source of labor and the cycle starts again.

 

[Kurosawa]

Heck, with all the jobs we are sending overseas, I figure we were well on our way to fixing the developing world. The people will be where the West was in the 19th century. They will work long hours for little pay in unsafe conditions. Then they'll get sick of it and rebel and demand more rights. Then the corporations will want to move to another cheap source of labor and the cycle starts again.

That's what manufacturers do. They go to a country, work the people for nothing, and then if they ask for anything approaching unacceptable (to the manufacturer) wages they just move to the next 3rd world country. It's why nothing is Made in America anymore and why so many blue collar workers are unemployed, Between outsourcing and illegals the American working class is extinct and jobless. Government and the Private Sector working together to **** the working man, go Failmerica!

Don't worry, we'll be 3rd world soon enough. Only the nukes keep us even free.

 

[Hobgoblin]

That's what manufacturers do. They go to a country, work the people for nothing, and then if they ask for anything approaching unacceptable (to the manufacturer) wages they just move to the next 3rd world country. It's why nothing is Made in America anymore and why so many blue collar workers are unemployed, Between outsourcing and illegals the American working class is extinct and jobless. Government and the Private Sector working together to **** the working man, go Failmerica!

Don't worry, we'll be 3rd world soon enough. Only the nukes keep us even free.

Yup. Its pareto optimality at work. We want cheap goods but want them to be made in America. But American workers want (and deserve) to have a decent paycheck for thier work but that drives up the price of the product. So the company outsources to a developing country, until they start to demand better wages too, etc.

 

[Kurosawa]

Yup. Its pareto optimality at work. We want cheap goods but want them to be made in America. But American workers want (and deserve) to have a decent paycheck for thier work but that drives up the price of the product. So the company outsources to a developing country, until they start to demand better wages too, etc.

Yep, and it will NEVER change and that is why Failmerica has NO chance and NO future.

 

[Kelly]

Ya know Kuro, you could just start a cut and pasting of your posts....they all look alike in the Political Forum. Save yourself some time....

 

[Kurosawa]

Ya know Kuro, you could just start a cut and pasting of your posts....they all look alike in the Political Forum. Save yourself some time....

You could pretty much say the same with any of the Democrat and Republican leaning posters as they just say their party's usual talking points: taxes bad, free market good, or the reverse, big government good, business bad...at least I have taken a different point of view since I gave up on the Democratic party and on democracy: that a government by the people will not work because people are worthless scum, people in politics most of all.

If either party or their supporters ever show me anything different from their own partisan hackery and any interest in working with each other for the common good, then I'd be more than willing to revise my stand.

 

[Kelly]

No, actually most put forth good discussion. Yeah, we will have the Hannity and Colmes debates here and there, but for the most part the discussion flows with each topic.

I guess we can say you are consistent...but consistency is not always a positive.

 

[Kurosawa]

No, actually most put forth good discussion. Yeah, we will have the Hannity and Colmes debates here and there, but for the most part the discussion flows with each topic.

I guess we can say you are consistent...but consistency is not always a positive.

There's nothing positive to say about America nowadays really. Our government and our society have proven themselves to be a failure. The only positive I've seen in the last 10 years is somewhat advanced tolerance of LGBT. Maybe.

 

[Schlosser85]

There's nothing positive to say about America nowadays really. Our government and our society have proven themselves to be a failure.

Why post if you don't have anything to say besides the same thing you've posted 10,000 times?

 

[SuperFerret]

As someone who's not a patriot in any sense, the U.S. is one of the better places to live in the world today. That's a positive.