Comics How does the marvel universe view Cyclops?

[Optic Rage]

As a leader he's respected....After Cap and then Reed he is 3rd choice to lead the Marvel Superheros.

He led them in The house of M remember.

I doubt many outside the x-men know him well...but i think he's well respectd and the heros follow his lead and has had his personal moments with other marvel heros..such as Sue & Reed.

Well respected but also known to be a bit of a hardass among his fellow X-men.

Very popular among the orginals...Very well respected by Logan & Storm and as much as logan would hate to admit it..he's very fond of Scott...and vice versa..Logan has allways been there to help scott when he needed it..and logan said himself if he had to pick one man to be in his corner druring a fight it would be scott.

I would think Storm views him as a brother and as family.

The only X-men i think who REALLY know Scott are Jean, Emma, Logan, Storm, Chuck, Beast[his best friend], Warren & Bobby.

He's never been that close to the rest imo.

Also notice during Civil war he was the only X-man present at the meeting[save logan whos a member of the Avengers] Tony must think very highly of him if he invited Scott to the meeting.

 

[Spectre722]

id pick him second over reed. reed may be a genius inventor and he can lead the fantastic four but unless it involves some crazy mind bending gadget, reed doesn't have mutch in terms of strategy. he can lead ben, sue, and johnny cause their his family. scott is a damn near tactical genius.

 

[Alex Summers]

When it comes to the FF I have always felt that Sue was the real leader, not Reed.

 

[MilkmanDan]

I think most of the other heroes give him a certain amount of respect. Even the ones who have not dealt with X-Men know that they are a force to be reckoned with and figure that their leader probably knows his job. The ones who have seen him in action know he's a capable fighter and an excellent leader. As for his personality, very few heroes outside the X-men know him that well. He's a reserved person, but always polite and respectful to others. So I think most people just figure "nice enough guy but kind of quiet".

Since Logan's view has been brought up, I'd like to comment on the Logan/Scott relationship. I think their relationship is essentially that of family members. Their personalities and intrests are so different that they wouldn't hang out together if they weren't "related". And while they have little in common in terms of personality and they occationally get on each others nerves, they also know each other extremely well, and underneath the surface they clearly care for each other.

 

[GyLocke]

I think the opinon about him may change. Whedon is building him up for something big.

Breakworld maybe?

 

[Aptman]

I think the opinon about him may change. Whedon is building him up for something big.

Breakworld maybe?

I think opinions are already changing. I mean, his basically the guy incharge of the denses mutant population left on the planet. If he decided he doesn't like being under the goverment's thumb like they kinda are at the moment, then the united states would have a mutant revolution on their hands.

 

[Cyclops]

When it comes to the FF I have always felt that Sue was the real leader, not Reed.

The FF has never really had a clear-cut leader. None of them are tactical masterminds ala Captain America or Cyclops. Each has their areas of expertise and applies it to the team.

Reed's the brain of the FF, Sue's the heart, Ben's the soul, and Johnny... uh... Johnny's the............. nervous system?

 

[Intheknow101]

I think they really respect him. He's the X-Men's Captain America.

 

[La The Darkman]

I think they all for the most part respect him.

Scott to me is the second best leader in Marvel behind Cap. Anyone that can make wolverine fall in line has to be respected, that's something cap can barely manage to do.

 

[f4faith]

I think they all for the most part respect him.

As a good mid-level field manager - yes. As a Captain America equal - not a chance. That's Xavier. I don't think Marvel has that much respect for the X-Men or Cyclops without Xavier. Scott has no plan of his own nor has he ever established any position without it being backed by Xavier's ideals. House of M showed the concerned parties going to look for Emma because they needed a telepath - no one said let's find Cyclops, he'll know what to do. He ends up leading a groups to go along with their need of Emma. I don't think he has anything like the respect that say Reed or Cap have in the MU.

Scott to me is the second best leader in Marvel behind Cap. Anyone that can make wolverine fall in line has to be respected, that's something cap can barely manage to do.

Being a leader is more than just a battle situation - which is Scott's only real expertise. I think The X-Axis review of the latest issue of Astonishing pretty much summed up Cyclops role in things up to this point. He is a very decent mid-level manager but if left to his own devices has no vision of his own.

 

[Aptman]

As a good mid-level field manager - yes. As a Captain America equal - not a chance. That's Xavier. I don't think Marvel has that much respect for the X-Men or Cyclops without Xavier. Scott has no plan of his own nor has he ever established any position without it being backed by Xavier's ideals.

You could also compare Scott's belief in Xavier's dream to Captain America's belief in the American Dream. They ae both soldiers. They are both the best at what they do (leading in battle situations) in their own team. Captain America is always going to have more respect. He's an icon. He is the guy the heroes of today were told legends about. But Cyclops is more then just a good mid-level field manager...That's why when you see Cyclops in a battle, he's the guy ussually incharge.

 

[f4faith]

But Cyclops is more then just a good mid-level field manager...That's why when you see Cyclops in a battle, he's the guy ussually incharge.

Because in battle is where he is a good mid-level field manager. Battle is not the top tier of being a leader - it takes a lot more to lead a people when not in battle than when everyone has a common goal (ie the battle). Magneto has that type of leadership even if you don't agree with him. Xavier does. Cap does. Heck even Ironman has more creative and independent thinking than Cyclops does. I do not think Cyke has shown any apptitude for leading outside of his field battle role while Cap and Reed have. If not for Xavier's giving him a goal, he hasn't come up with one of his own whereas the other two have.

Quote from the X-Axis review:

****ASTONISHING X-MEN #14 - Emma Frost psychoanalyses Scott for an issue. ...........Whedon does have some great ideas for Cyclops, who gets ripped apart in this issue. Emma's complaints about him are pretty much valid. Everyone else gets a properly inspiring leader like Captain America or Reed Richards, but the X-Men are stuck with Cyclops. He's a character who made reasonable sense when he was merely the field leader and Professor X was there to set the direction. But without him, poor Scott is just a competent, decent tactician who keeps the show on the road but has no big ideas of his own. He's an honest, hardworking middle manager. It's a view of the character I basically agree with....... *****

I'm rarely in full agreement with the X-Axis - certainly not about Milligan's X-Men but I do agree with this assessment of Cyclops.

 

[HandOfFate]

Dang F4faith, I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you.

 

[Mike059jig]

Dang F4faith, I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with you.

I for one totally diagree with about 95% of what was said especially cyke been mid-level field manager...I never read any thing bout cap or reed but can't say nothing about those comments

 

[Superbeasto]

There is a Cyclopsmania lately in this boards, have you noticed it???, long live Cyclops!

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Cyclops has been a friend of Spidey and the FF almost since the beginning of Marvel. He is considered by the heroes to be the greatest tactical leader in the MU. Whenever mixed groups meet Cyke is invariably offered the leadership. He is fundamentally a team player who is driven to excel and demands the same of those he leads. This is what has caused friction between X-Men over the years. Many of them came to the X-Men after they were adults and set in their styles. They resented him trying to mold them into the type of team the X-Men had been at first. All of the heroes know him but most of the general public probably know his name and that he leads the X-Men and little if anything else. While the X-Men have had a good relationship with Spidey and the FF they have had little contact with the Avengers although there has been the occasional poker game and arm wrestling match.

 

[Cyclops]

I would have to disagree with the greatest tactical leader comment.

Captain America is the MU's greatest tactical leader. Bar none.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

For most of the history of Marvel Cap wasn't considered a leader at all. He was a public icon and respected as a very capable combatant and for his common sense as well. However when heroes looked for a leader they looked to Cyke, Reed, Thor or Iron Man. The portrayal of Cap as a leader is something that has arisen in the last few years. Cap was usually the lone hero type who still managed to work well with a team.

 

[Cyclops]

Um.... no.... Cap's been a leader since almost day one, when he led the Invaders in WWII, and then led the 2nd incarnation of the Avengers in the late 1960s and led all the Super Heroes in Secret Wars...

Captain America has always been leader material.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The Avengers in the 60's had a rotating leadership. Everyone served as a leader on occasion. And The Invaders didn't seem to have much of a leadership except as a formality. That was not one of the comics that I collected regularly though.

 

[Cyclops]

I believe that was true until the second phase (Cap, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver) took over, and at that point Cap was a full-time leader.

 

[Kurosawa]

Yep, that's correct. That's why they were "Cap's Kooky Quartet." From then on, Cap's led the Avengers most of the time.

As far as how the MU views Cyclops...I think he was given more respect in the past then he does now. Marvel's been treating Scott like crap for years now.

 

[Cypocalypse]

I think one of the main reasons why Cyclops is not getting enough spotlight is the existence of both Wolverine and Professor X.

Wolverine is the stereotypical American - rebellious, individualistic, with little regard to morality at all. Definitely more marketable to the American readers than Cyke will ever be.

Professor X represents the ideology - which has far more depth than any ideology of any Marvel Universe character. In this case, Cyclops need not be totally individualistic with his ideals since his mentor's have already enough depth in it.

While Captain America represnts the ideals of America as a nation (democracy, freedom, etc.), Xavier's ideals are about prejudice, interpersonal/community relationship, morality, etc. which definitely have a far more global scope than the American symbolism that Captain America represents.

Call Cyke a Xavier lackey if you want but the ideals that he got from him has far more depth than any hero or villain's ideals. This explains why Marvel has never created an X-Men villain that's as enduring as Magneto (the anti-thesis to Xavier's philosophy). Every other villain looked like an extremist (black and white) with no gray tones.

Personally, with regard to pilosophy and moral righteousness, individualism is OVERRATED. With regard to this subject matter, openness (and sometimes acceptance) of other ideas are inevitable.

For one thing, I would stop reading the x-books if Marvel would start shoving down my throat that Wolverine should be the moral template of the x-books.

Any true Cyclops fans would know that Cyclops has contradicted Xavier on a number of occasions (God Loves Man Kills and AXM #12 to name a few), so Cyclops is not a blind follower to the Xavier Creed as much as a lot of people may imply.

 

[gambitfire]

The FF has never really had a clear-cut leader. None of them are tactical masterminds ala Captain America or Cyclops. Each has their areas of expertise and applies it to the team.

Reed's the brain of the FF, Sue's the heart, Ben's the soul, and Johnny... uh... Johnny's the............. nervous system?

LOL Johnny's the funny bone *Bad dum dum*

Because in battle is where he is a good mid-level field manager. Battle is not the top tier of being a leader - it takes a lot more to lead a people when not in battle than when everyone has a common goal (ie the battle). Magneto has that type of leadership even if you don't agree with him. Xavier does. Cap does. Heck even Ironman has more creative and independent thinking than Cyclops does. I do not think Cyke has shown any apptitude for leading outside of his field battle role while Cap and Reed have. If not for Xavier's giving him a goal, he hasn't come up with one of his own whereas the other two have.

Quote from the X-Axis review:

****ASTONISHING X-MEN #14 - Emma Frost psychoanalyses Scott for an issue. ...........Whedon does have some great ideas for Cyclops, who gets ripped apart in this issue. Emma's complaints about him are pretty much valid. Everyone else gets a properly inspiring leader like Captain America or Reed Richards, but the X-Men are stuck with Cyclops. He's a character who made reasonable sense when he was merely the field leader and Professor X was there to set the direction. But without him, poor Scott is just a competent, decent tactician who keeps the show on the road but has no big ideas of his own. He's an honest, hardworking middle manager. It's a view of the character I basically agree with....... *****

I'm rarely in full agreement with the X-Axis - certainly not about Milligan's X-Men but I do agree with this assessment of Cyclops.

i read this issue and their are always two sides to everything sure she said all this which is true but out of each truth there is half a lie. She was only telling him what someone who barely knows him would assume him to be and at the same time some of what he really is. I dunno i read this i liked the character more it humanized him to a greater level. And Fact Cyclops has been a leader with ideas without Xavier.

 

[LongDong]

I have always liked Cyclops but feel his portrayal in the X movies was way off, much like nearly every other character. Singer butchered things quite a bit.