How JLA can fix DC movieverse

[solidsnake86]

Spaced a bit too far apart. I think they could easily get a Flash movie out by 2013 and a GL sequel/reboot no later than 2014. and hopefully a Hawkman movie soon after. Batman Reboot sounds about right, 2016 will about time. and Superman will by out by 2015 I'm certain. and a JLA for 2016/2017 sounds about right, I could be wrong though. t:

I don't think they'll be able to make 2013 for the flash since they haven't hired a director. It would have to start filming latest by next may or june. They don't even have a director at this point.

Earliest I could see the next movie from DC is 2014, they can do one a year since they would have to have a certain number of tentpoles each year.

I'm interested to see how avengers does come next year since three characters in the film haven't been able to crack 200 million domestic. I'm sure if it does well WB will consider that superman batman movie before any other options.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

The Flash isn't coming out in 2013 since WB already has their summer tent poles ready for that year.

 

[Russell Nash]

DC has two options...

1. Build up the JLA like the Avengers.
2. Make solo films of popular heroes while testing the water for a JLA film.

I think they chose option 2 and are currently screwed for a JLA film because of Green Lanterns poor performance.

 

[biolumen]

The Flash isn't coming out in 2013 since WB already has their summer tent poles ready for that year.

I only see MOS (June) and Pacific Rim (July) scheduled for Summer 2013. Is that it? No tentpole for May?

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

WB usually doesn't have a huge summer movie in may, and they also usually don't have three big blockbusters in 1 summer. IIRC.

 

[Russell Nash]

WB will take baby steps with all of its forthcoming DC properties. Jonah Hex and the Green Lantern really took a toll on sinking money on unproven characters. I think they'll take one more shot at it with The Flash, but if that's a stinker, Batman and Superman will have to take up the slack.

 

[Xeno]

DC has two options...

1. Build up the JLA like the Avengers.
2. Make solo films of popular heroes while testing the water for a JLA film.

I think they chose option 2 and are currently screwed for a JLA film because of Green Lanterns poor performance.

There is a third option: They can do what Marvel Films did with The Hulk after his movie(s) underperformed and fold Green Lantern into JLA without doing another solo film with him. He has been introduced to the GA even though the movie failed to resonate, so there is familiarity with the character. WB can recast if they like or simply select another of earth's GLs for the JLA movie.

 

[Kyle Rayner]

For DC/WB to succeedd they need to go to their 4 people: Christopher Nolan, David Goyer, Bruce Timm and Jim Lee.


Timm has alone built up the entire cast of JLU since 1992 BAS up until JLU. Fans even went in uproar during the John Stewart selection as GL. Timm has a great record in building a universe (regardless if is animated).


Goyer made Blade a household name in New Line Cinema and brought a new audience that had mostly forgotten the character to comics not to mention that Blade was one of the only multicultural characters in mainstream comic book. WB should be kissing Goyer's AZZ after the millions of dollars that he made for them for Batman Begins and the Dark Knight.


Jim Lee is one the head guys in DC Comics, his job should be of that of a consultant for these films. Geoff Johns involvement with GL was just for promotion and the comic book itself. If he was involved with the rest of the film, marketing and board meeting I would be surprised.


Christopher Nolan, the guy who brought in a fresh new Batman/Bruce Wayne like never seen before (other than Timm's animated version and Frank Miller) most amazing origin story EVER, a great acting crew and a new batmobile or tumber.


THEN THERE ARE THE PROBLEMS.....


Timm would not do a DC Film Universe or simply does not want to be involved. This man has carried the DC Animated division for almost 20 years he should be up there with guys like Nolan.


Goyer does not get the proper recognition as he should have. I haven't seen the "Supermax" script that he had for Green Arrow but I bet it would've been kick-ass all the way. The man has talent, no questions asked.


Lee worked for Marvel, DC and even created his own comic book company with McFarlane in the 90's. Another man should be listen to when it comes to placing DC characters from pages to the screen.


Nolan has a record with WB that would baffle most, he is artistic, has a vision for characters and makes out of this world movies that people will keep watching over and over again cause he is that dawm good! Now, when you agree to make a superhero movie, don't bs with "well this character is in his own universe." You have pow-wow meeting with actors that are playing an iconic characters and yet you know that the competitior is pushing a better product both in profits and for the fans to enjoy. The guy playing the character does not want to play the character again nor meet anyone else in the DC Universe cause it wouldn't make sense......I can't even make sense of what he said in regards of "different universes" if the point of creating the DC Characters is to built A DC UNIVERSE?!?!?



I'll admit that the Marvel Films are not pushing the billion mark like the Dark Knight did, but quality is better than quantity. DC/WB is lacking on both. At least the Marvel Characters are out there with Thor, Cap and Iron Man, it made millions but from it new fans will come.



There are a couple of options that WB/DC has:


A) These men are capable of creating a DC Film Universe on their own, with Nolan's vision, Goyer's story telling, Timm's imagination and Lee's experience that alone should be a powerhouse on its own.


B) Make sure that the actors that are going to become the hero are there for a long time. If Bale does not want to be a team player, find another actor that can and is WILLING to carry on the mantle.


C) The last option is to sell the character's rights to different studios that are willing to give it a try to characters's that DC does not want to give a chance too.

 

[psylockolussus]

If The Avengers crosses the $1 Billion mark then the WB will fast track a Justice League movie only for it to fail for being rushed

Yeah but that wouldn't make much as the Avengers.

And that movie wouldn't have the same build-up and hype compare to the Avengers movie. So its really better if WB releases a solo film for each of the major hero first before the actual Justice League movie.

 

[Raiden]

Yeah but that wouldn't make much as the Avengers.

And that movie wouldn't have the same build-up and hype compare to the Avengers movie. So its really better if WB releases a solo film for each of the major hero first before the actual Justice League movie.

But here are some problems with this idea:

1) Are they going to push toward a reboot of the Batman movies if Bale does not agree to agree in a World's Finest/JLA crossover movie?

2) Will they re-hire Reynolds as Hal Jordan/GL in the JLA movie even though his movie was a box office disappointment?

3) Will Henry Cavill appear in JLA or will they need to recast?

4) If WB is starting to push toward this JLA movie, will the solo movies from now on make references or have cameos of other DC superheroes, or will they completely ignore the DC universe until the crossover movie?

 

[jmc]

Yeah but that wouldn't make much as the Avengers.

And that movie wouldn't have the same build-up and hype compare to the Avengers movie. So its really better if WB releases a solo film for each of the major hero first before the actual Justice League movie.

Superman and Batman in a film together would make far more money. Avengers isn't going to break records like people think.

 

[Changeling]

Superman and Batman in a film together would make far more money. Avengers isn't going to break records like people think.

i agree completely

 

[Raiden]

Superman and Batman in a film together would make far more money. Avengers isn't going to break records like people think.

That's a bit of an arrogant statement, but then again I won't believe that a movie starring both Superman and Batman will happen unless it is actually greenlighted by WB.

 

[jmc]

That's hardy arrogant, it's the two biggest superheros in history, them together on screen would make a crap load of cash, I don't even know how it's open to debate.

 

[psylockolussus]

Superman and Batman in a film together would make far more money. Avengers isn't going to break records like people think.

Says by a Batman fan.

Superman is more popular than Iron Man but the Iron Man films are more successful.

And The Dark Knight only sold so big because of Heath Ledger.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Says by a Batman fan.

Superman is more popular than Iron Man but the Iron Man films are more successful.

And The Dark Knight only sold so big because of Heath Ledger.

No. You're speaking out of your ass right now.

 

[Micromind]

Says by a Batman fan.

Superman is more popular than Iron Man but the Iron Man films are more successful.

And The Dark Knight only sold so big because of Heath Ledger.

So, what Hulk, Wolverine is more popular than Iron Man but the Iron Man movies are more successful. That is because difference between what is popular for comic book fans vs General Audience, which will be always there, no matter what company is involved (Marvel / DC) .

 

[Raiden]

That's hardy arrogant, it's the two biggest superheros in history, them together on screen would make a crap load of cash, I don't even know how it's open to debate.

It's one thing to be big in the comics and in the public's consciousness, quite another to do it on the big screen. If your logic is true, then how come there's no movies starring Wonder Woman yet? And Superman Returns (despite having the "biggest superhero in history"), did not make enough to cover the budget, so WB is rebooting it with MOS. Superman hasn't had a "successful" movie in over 20 years, since Superman 2, but since he is supposed to be the biggest one there is, he is automatic box office gold, right? As for teaming up both Superman and Batman, obviously it will be big, but there is no absolute in superhero genre; just ask GL.

But I have a feeling that WB shares your sentiment, that since DC superheroes are so big and so well-known, there should be no reason for them to fail.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

That's a bit of an arrogant statement, but then again I won't believe that a movie starring both Superman and Batman will happen unless it is actually greenlighted by WB.

Yup! gotta agree with you. When talking about a batman vs Superman movie ,when..or IF it happens, you have to consider a few things IMO.

When this movie happens, will Batman-without Nolan- would still be a hot property? A major factor of the current Batman succes is because of the Nolan Hype. He's the guy that's responsible for this whole 'reboot' trend when he took the GA by surprise with Batman begins.

And the jury is still out on wheter Supes will be a succes.

And in order for Bats vs supes movie to actually happens, the Batman in the movies by then, would be a major departure from Nolan's Batman in order to introduce Supes to his world. One of the main reasons for the current succes for bats is Nolan take on the character ( of which i am not a fan of, but that's another story).Will the GA sticks around for a more 'comic books' accurate Batman?

And personally...if i were WB, with the way things are going for them now,i would forget about JLA for the time being and concentrate on expanding the movie universe of my main cash cow...Batman.

 

[Raiden]

Yup! gotta agree with you. When talking about a batman vs Superman movie ,when..or IF it happens, you have to consider a few things IMO.

When this movie happens, will Batman-without Nolan- would still be a hot property? A major factor of the current Batman succes is because of the Nolan Hype. He's the guy that's responsible for this whole 'reboot' trend when he took the GA by surprise with Batman begins.

And the jury is still out on wheter Supes will be a succes.

And in order for Bats vs supes movie to actually happens, the Batman in the movies by then, would be a major departure from Nolan's Batman in order to introduce Supes to his world. One of the main reasons for the current succes for bats is Nolan take on the character ( of which i am not a fan of, but that's another story).Will the GA sticks around for a more 'comic books' accurate Batman?

And personally...if i were WB, with the way things are going for them now,i would forget about JLA for the time being and concentrate on expanding the movie universe of my main cash cow...Batman.

Yeah, Batman is obviously huge right now, but how much of its success is due to Chris Nolan. I'd say a very large part, and once he leaves the franchise (as he said he would after TDKR), what then? Will WB keeps making Nolan-esque Batman movies sans Nolan and Bale? Will they go on a different direction? How will they tie the new (rebooted?) Batman movie with MOS so they can make a World's Finest movie? Or will WF be a standalone movie that has no association with either Batman or Superman movies? There are still alot of questions regarding a team-up movie, and my feeling is that it probably won't happen in the near future, if at all.

 

[jmc]

It's one thing to be big in the comics and in the public's consciousness, quite another to do it on the big screen. If your logic is true, then how come there's no movies starring Wonder Woman yet? And Superman Returns (despite having the ''biggest superhero in history''), did not make enough to cover the budget, so WB is rebooting it with MOS. Superman hasn't had a ''successful'' movie in over 20 years, since Superman 2, but since he is supposed to be the biggest one there is, he is automatic box office gold, right? As for teaming up both Superman and Batman, obviously it will be big, but there is no absolute in superhero genre; just ask GL.

But I have a feeling that WB shares your sentiment, that since DC superheroes are so big and so well-known, there should be no reason for them to fail.

Um...ok. You seem to have gone off on a tangent for some reason bringing up useless points to suggest that Superman and Batman together on film for the first time wouldn't be a massive success. Are there absolutes? Of course not but those two characters on screen together is as close as you can get. For reasons unbeknownst to me you're trying to play down how big two of the biggest pop culture characters on the planet in the same film would be.

 

[WSNProductions]

Two words: Motion Capture!

People are more forgiving of CGI and it could be a cool way to make a series of DCU films leading to a Justice League movie.

1. Arkham City style Batman movie starring Kevin Conroy

2. Superman

3. Flash

4. Green Lantern

5. Wonder Woman

add Bruce Timm to these projects and we got our own successful DCMU!

I think Beowulf was awesome, and the mo-cap in Avatar was amazing.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I'll be watching the upcoming Justice League origin story written by Geoff Johns and drawn by Jim Lee, starting with the DC Comics relaunch in September. With how much Green Lantern: Secret Origin read like a template for a film screenplay, and Johns' current role within DC Entertainment, I wouldn't be surprised if this new story will be structured with an eye to a way of feasibly, concisely and accessibly bringing all these heavyweights together in a straightforward narrative that could very well form the basis for a movie.

 

[Raiden]

Um...ok. You seem to have gone off on a tangent for some reason bringing up useless points to suggest that Superman and Batman together on film for the first time wouldn't be a massive success. Are there absolutes? Of course not but those two characters on screen together is as close as you can get. For reasons unbeknownst to me you're trying to play down how big two of the biggest pop culture characters on the planet in the same film would be.

I was just illustrating my point by bringing up Superman's own movie, which even as a pop culture icon he still couldn't make enough for WB to finally decided to abandon it for a fresh reboot. And bringing together Superman and Batman will have some hurdles ahead, but once together on the big screen the movie will be huge, but record-breaking? I guess we'll see (if the movie is ever made, that is).

 

[KRIM]

I'll be watching the upcoming Justice League origin story written by Geoff Johns and drawn by Jim Lee, starting with the DC Comics relaunch in September. With how much Green Lantern: Secret Origin read like a template for a film screenplay, and Johns' current role within DC Entertainment, I wouldn't be surprised if this new story will be structured with an eye to a way of feasibly, concisely and accessibly bringing all these heavyweights together in a straightforward narrative that could very well form the basis for a movie.

With how much of GLs production involved Geoff's presence and input, I think his role in any future live-action installments is just about finished.