The Dark Knight How skilled will Batman Be?

[xanberkeley]

Hopefully TDK features more of his detective skills and when in action mode we see a much more experienced Batman.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, what aspect of his detective skills really?

I mean....do we want by-the-book stuff? Like him dusting for prints, or using sprays and stuff to get evidence?

Or more hardcore stuff? Like stakeouts, eavesdroppping and interrogations?

Personally.....I think they can squeeze in all of the above. We got a taste of the gritty detective stuff in Batman Begins for half the movie. So, imagine what they can do with more time.

 

[Sun_Down]

I think Bat's lack of detective skills was an overlooked flaw in BB. They portrayed him more as someone who uses fear and brute force to fight crime instead of someone who outsmarts everyone. I loved BB, so don't get my intent wrong here, but I really didn't perceive Bruce as very "smart" in BB. I hope they improve upon that in TDK.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

In Begins, it wasn't so much that he didn't do enough detective work, because he did quite a bit when you think about it, it was just that it was all standard stuff. I mean, we see him looking at pictures, interrogating flass, listening in on Falcone's conversations, giving Rachel the "leverage" on judge Fayden etc... But he never really figured anything about by himself. It seemed like in everything he did, he was following someone else's lead, Fox's, Rachel's, Gordon's... Bruce never really pieced something together all by himself the way he did in say the Burton movies, or in Mask of the Phantasm. So as a result, the idea of Batman being a detective seemed kind of lost on the audience, even though we see him doing detective stuff.

Let me put it this way. In all of Batman Begins, did you ever once get the impression that he was the World's Greatest Detective, I mean even once? I surely didn't. Truthfully, it didn't bother me much, because it's the origin story. He's still a rookie. But in the next movie, I'd like to see that he's made some serious progess in his sleuthing skills.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, we got that he was a detective.

I mean.....he's a rookie. Nobody should expect him to JUST be the greatest. He needs to work his way up.

But, he was a detective in Begins. No doubt about it.

Eavesdroping, stakeouts, interrogations, running down leads. We got that stuff. Obviously, not Sherlock Holmes stuff, but that'd probably suck anyways.

I'd expect him to up his game a bit, but that's why it's Batman Begins.

 

[Cinemaman]

Actually for me, Batman was more superhero than detective in BB, but I am sure this time everything is going to change.

 

[afan]

Well, we got that he was a detective.

I mean.....he's a rookie. Nobody should expect him to JUST be the greatest. He needs to work his way up.

But, he was a detective in Begins. No doubt about it.

Eavesdroping, stakeouts, interrogations, running down leads. We got that stuff. Obviously, not Sherlock Holmes stuff, but that'd probably suck anyways.

I'd expect him to up his game a bit, but that's why it's Batman Begins.

Wow, I don't see how!?

There was a scene in a diner in the Bourne Identity in which Jason bourne was rapidly able to deduce an amazing amount of info about each person in the diner merely by observation. This is exactly the type of deductive skill that should be in any Batman film, but has not been evident in any of the batman films to date.

One of the elements missing in the origin tale in BB was Wayne developing a multitude of skills prior to the beginning of his carreer as The Batman. We saw that he could mix it up with the multiple foes, but exactly when did he learn to operate the sophisticated technology of BB. When did he learn the skills that we konw that Bruce Wayne possesses. For all intents and purposes wasn't he a drifter bereft of a sense of purpose prior to his association with Rha's al Ghul?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well....I was kinda poking fun at how in today's world, there's more grit and nasty **** involved in detective work. That's more like what I meant, instead of seeing Batman walking around with a giant scope......ya know. Just making fun of the sherlock stereotype I guess.

Wasn't very funny, I suppose.

Technically speaking, Bruce did know alot of skills before he'd enter Ra's world. I mean, other than the fighting and fear tactics as Batman.....he had to have learned the other stuff from someplace. We knew he was a skilled fighter. But, other than that...most of his journey is really like it is in the comics. A mystery.

 

[sasquatchs]

Well, we saw him do detective work in BATMAN BEGINS......so, I bet we'll get more of it in the sequel.

It'll be interesting to see him do forensics and stuff....although, some of that stuff might fall more into scientists, CSI type stuff. But, it'd be cool.



Makes? Or buys and pieces together?

I mean, why make a whole computer when he could probably buy it.



I was under the impression that he was playing coy with Fox. Before he realizes Fox is in the room, he sounded very technical when speaking on the fear toxin. And he hadn't even studied the thing, that was off the top of his head. I thought his joke about "passing around the weaponized..." was one sign that he was playing the coy card with Fox.

I'm just saying, Bruce was knocked out for a few days. He couldn't create an anitdote b/c he was knocked out. He had been affected by the toxin, so he was incapacitated. So......I'm just saying, it's not like the film made him out to be the opposite of his science smart-comic counterpart. It didn't exactly show us he couldn't do it.

Of course, like you said...that doesn't mean he can. But, it does leave the door open for him to be able to do so in a later film....and not contradict the first film.



Much above a beat cop??

C'mon, he does detective work. He eavesdrops using spying technolgy, he does stakeouts while taking pictures, he interrogates Flass......gets a lead he runs down to a safehouse in the narrows, where there was evidence on the drugs that were being cut.

So, eavesdropping, stakeouts, interrogation, running down a lead, and finding evidence. That's detective work. It reminds me a bit of THE WIRE, which is hands down the most realistic cop show ever made.

And.......how could he had eve caught on to Ra's before then? He hadn't found out, through interrogation yet again, that Ra's was behind it until about 15 minutes before Ra's shows up at the mansion.

So, he's supposed to figure out, solve and stop Ra's plans all in a 15 minute car chase ride between Arkham and Wayne Manor?

C'mon.

He was definately being coy with Fox. In the script his skills are more explicit. Wayne goes to Fox at his office to discuss the toxin rather than waking up to Fox in his bedroom, its obvious Wayne has chemistry knowledge from reading it. Its also Batman that finds out about the emitter rather than Fox handing the information to him on a platter. After interrogating Flass theres a scene where he discovers the emitter, (the film just shows teddy bears full of drugs instead), then Wayne asks Fox to find information on it. I suppose they just wanted to speed things up a bit, but it does take away from his skill slightly. He doesn't know its Ras behind the plot though.

I want to know what Wayne studied at University, hopefully a science.

And The Wire is awesome, real, slow burning police work

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The Wire is the greatest show on television. I mean, just ****ing incredible. It's realsitic, gritty, and smart......I mean, it's real police work. It just oozes.

I think there is only so much you can fit into 2 hours of an origin film. I think the origin stuff is out the way, so everything else just will get amplified.

I think Bruce showed he had brains. He managed to take back his family's company as swift as his alterego would dispatch an enemy.

And, something I really enjoyed about the Wayne-Fox relationship is that Fox is in the loop. Sort of. Not exactly. He kinda knows, but Bruce won't exactly make him another Alfred.......so he still plays coy with him.

 

[Retroman]

I really want to see Bruce in diguise going undercover

That would be swell. He does that in Year One and no one recognized him either.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, he did wear one while he was doing stakeout work.

But, if he did undercover work......Miami Vice-type stuff, they'd have to go the Matches Malone route all the way. Scar with beard and all.