Supergirl How would you move Supergirl into the main CWverse?

[Kelly]

The former is pretty much indistinguishable from "there is no Superman", though, seeing as its a radical divergence from the origin. The latter. . . well, see above for all my posts on why this would be a terrible, terrible idea. A Superman who doesn't get off his ass when nukes are flying is worse than no Superman at all.

He would have to know that there was a nuke flying around....in the case of Supergirl....NO ONE, except Kara, James and the DEO knew it, even afterwards, Cat knowing there was more to it, kept it under wraps and allowed the story as it was being told by the military to stay as the story.

So, I saw no problem with that at all, and what was Superman going to do that Supergirl and Co. didn't do? They took care of it, in a timely manner, plausible (well as plausible as this could be) and it was done.

 

[Mysteryman]

How would I move Supergirl into the CWverse?
I wouldn't.

 

[Thome216]

Not to mention that both Earths presumably have four to six billion people living on them. If you merge the worlds, no matter what narrative trope you use, a huge number of lives stop existing in some manner, countless more change and many of those changes will not be for the better. Just because you can handwave it away as "behind the scenes" stuff doesn't make it a very pleasant foundation on which to run a set of superhero shows.

It creates a tangle, for sure, but think of the story line potential! So many lives upset, both good and bad spurring on any number of varied plots.

It actually reminds me of an episode of Sliders. The entire population of one Earth slid through a wormhole and immediately overpopulated another Earth. All forms of calamity ensued with an immediate doubling of the population.

Personally, I think it would be more of alternate people merging together rather than existing side by side, and just having to deal with two divergent memories. Although yes, there will be people in one that is not in another and they would simply come into existence within whatever universe survives.

Still a lot of people though.

 

[famicommander]

As I've said before, you could easily just plop National City from Supergirl's earth onto some empty space on Arrowverse's Earth Prime.

Supergirl's earth continues to exist, except its version of National City got sucked into another earth. Then you have Kara, J'onn, and all the rest of the cast on Earth Prime and you don't have to worry about the mess of reconciling divergent histories.

 

[optimus2861]

As I've said before, you could easily just plop National City from Supergirl's earth onto some empty space on Arrowverse's Earth Prime.

Supergirl's earth continues to exist, except its version of National City got sucked into another earth. Then you have Kara, J'onn, and all the rest of the cast on Earth Prime and you don't have to worry about the mess of reconciling divergent histories.

You'd just be left with "Earth-S" Superman trying to figure out what the heck happened and trying to rescue National City, I presume. He'd probably view it as a colossal failure on his part and who knows what the world would think.

Again.. I really think it would be best not to do a merge at all. Make some technobabble about how the dimensions "vibrate at harmonic frequencies" or somesuch which explains why it's relatively easy to open a portal between the two once you know how to do it (i.e. Barry & Cisco do some more research into his trip and figure out exactly what happened & why). It leaves crossovers reasonably easy to do without messing up one or both Earths horribly.

 

[Kelly]

I agree....

 

[famicommander]

You'd just be left with "Earth-S" Superman trying to figure out what the heck happened and trying to rescue National City, I presume. He'd probably view it as a colossal failure on his part and who knows what the world would think.

Again.. I really think it would be best not to do a merge at all. Make some technobabble about how the dimensions "vibrate at harmonic frequencies" or somesuch which explains why it's relatively easy to open a portal between the two once you know how to do it (i.e. Barry & Cisco do some more research into his trip and figure out exactly what happened & why). It leaves crossovers reasonably easy to do without messing up one or both Earths horribly.

I think they should kill off Superman whether they merge the universes or not, but even still, there's no reason you couldn't just bring Clark along for the ride.

Having them on the same Earth would make it much easier for characters that don't have godlike powers/intellects to cross over. How cool would it be for Katana to show up on Supergirl? Or one of Kara's villains to pop up on Legends?

I just don't like half measures. If you're going to link them, you may as well go all the way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think they should kill off Superman whether they merge the universes or not, but even still, there's no reason you couldn't just bring Clark along for the ride.

Having them on the same Earth would make it much easier for characters that don't have godlike powers/intellects to cross over. How cool would it be for Katana to show up on Supergirl? Or one of Kara's villains to pop up on Legends?

I just don't like half measures. If you're going to link them, you may as well go all the way.

So leave an Earth without their Superman by taking him away or killing him? Yeah, this sounds like a bad DC comics stunt.

It is easy for all that stuff to happen without merging stuff, because everyone exist on both Earths. If you want her to meet Katana, have her meet her Katana.

 

[Thome216]

As I've said before, you could easily just plop National City from Supergirl's earth onto some empty space on Arrowverse's Earth Prime.

But then you would have an entire city wanting to return to their Earth. They're not going to want to stay on Earth 1. Despite the similarities, such as still having family on this Earth as well, there are too many differences to account for, such as that family being just slightly too different.
There would be a tremendous hue and cry for the SuperDuo to fix the mess.
The drive would be to return everything to 'normal,' and get National City back to its own Earth.

Whereas if they were to merge, it would be a whole lot cleaner. People would simply have dual memories. In most cases, they could be so similar as to be nearly indistinguishable from their 'home universe' memories. And who knows, a merging might be something that most don't even realize happens.

But it could also be an opening to further plots, dealing with those people who are effected too much by the merger.

And consider, there are no aliens (that we know of) on Earth 1. What if a universe-merger dealt with several universi and not just two? What if the reason no one has heard of the Green Lantern is because he's in another universe too? Maybe Batwoman is on an entirely different Earth from Earth 1 and the Superverse? Having a universe merger opens up the possibility of them then appearing - or some other superhero for that matter.

 

[Dr.]

Keeping a dimensional barrier between the worlds helps greatly with the "Why doesn't Supergirl help Flash with this baddie?" Or vice versa, or with Arrow. Supergirl has already struggled at times with the "Why didn't Superman get involved?" question. It only gets worse if you add more superheroes to the world.

Two schools of thought:

1. Given that the problem already exists to some degree (How come Barry doesn’t help out Ollie? How come Supes doesn’t help out his cousin?), merging the universes won’t make things any worse. In for a penny, in for a pound.

2. The current “internal logic” problems are tricky but manageable - with the writers/fans supplying token excuses why, in a given crisis, one hero is unable to assist another. But a full-on merger of universes (with a multiplicity of heroes) would make things much worse in a “final straw/camel’s back” sense. So why do this (or even risk it) when the already-established “separate Earths scenario” provides a convenient/built-in solution?

 

[DigificWriter]

To paraphrase Marlee Matlin's character Joey Lucas from "The West Wing", "the only place this war (over whether or not superheroes should be helping each other out constantly if they exist in a shared universe) is being fought is on the Internet".

 

[Micromind]

The villains for each hero are such that they alone can handle them effectively, for instance, some of Flash's villains are speedsters, who travel between dimensions, runs near speed of light, which requires a hero like Flash to catch them, to catch other villains like Trickster, Flash doesn't need anyone's help, and when he does, we get a cross-over episode.

Same thing for other heroes like Atom and his time traveling team, they don't require Supergirl's assistance.

 

[Syncos]

I wouldn't.

Keeping a dimensional barrier between the worlds helps greatly with the "Why doesn't Supergirl help Flash with this baddie?" Or vice versa, or with Arrow. Supergirl has already struggled at times with the "Why didn't Superman get involved?" question. It only gets worse if you add more superheroes to the world.

I never really consider this as a problem.
You need to think about the fact that all of these heroes have stuff going on in their own lives. They're dealing with their own struggles. Not just sitting at home waiting for their friend to be in danger to go help.

Flash doesn't just jaunt to Star City to beat down thugs for Oliver because he's dealing with a new threat pretty much every day.

Same deal. I assume Superman isn't helping Kara because he's dealing with whatever threat he needs to save Metropolis from. Which is what made the show worse when they showed him attempt to help or fly off immediately.

It's better to not show him, than to show him. Unless he's going to be a part of the story.

To the topic at hand:
I would merge the universes. I'd like to see them do it as close to a crisis on infinite earths story as they can. Show the Anti-Monitor devouring like the Smallville earth, and 90s Flash, with just decently placed clips from those shows. That would be rad.

Maybe a little ambitious.

But still. One can dream.

 

[BH/HHH]

To paraphrase Marlee Matlin's character Joey Lucas from "The West Wing", "the only place this war (over whether or not superheroes should be helping each other out constantly if they exist in a shared universe) is being fought is on the Internet".

Agreed, there is far to much of a deal made about it online. Mist people don't complain in the comics so why should the TV shows get treated differently.

 

[justlooking]

Some people have a provincial take on this subject. I don't think making heroes a special snowflake in their world is good. Writers will run through the heroes' rogue gallery and be left with nothing or just repeat to death the same ones. Some people already ask if The Flash has too many speedsters or that Arrow has too many vigilantes and that is only talking about the hero side. Commingling rogues and heroes just make stories more interesting.

I would like to see Batwoman/Batgirl meet Supergirl but I would not want it if they were shutout from the Flash or Arrow. My wish would be to see a JLA on TV at some point.

 

[Thome216]

I would like to see Batwoman/Batgirl meet Supergirl but I would not want it if they were shutout from the Flash or Arrow. My wish would be to see a JLA on TV at some point.

This should be the ultimate!

 

[NotNickFury]

On an aside, since we're talking multiverses, I still hope that, in some way, the DCEU and DCCW have some sort of multiverse connection. I doubt that would happen, but at the very least, you could have both Flashes meet one another.

Though, to answer the topic at hand, I wonder if, since the show is time travel based, Supergirl could be moved over via some event on Legends of Tomorrow.

 

[famicommander]

Though, to answer the topic at hand, I wonder if, since the show is time travel based, Supergirl could be moved over via some event on Legends of Tomorrow.

There are tons of ways to do it. This multiverse has multiple people that can travel through time, hop between dimensions, use magic, etc. All that has to happen is for them to decide to do it.

They've already alluded to a Crisis event on The Flash. I know it was supposed to happen in the distant future, but you could easily just explain that away by saying that Thawne/Barry/Rip moved up the timeframe when they messed with the timeline.

Crisis on Infinite Earths would be the biggest way to do it. And considering the important roles that Flash and Supergirl had in that iconic story, it would make a hell of a lot of sense.

 

[NotNickFury]

The higher-ups and executives also said at one point that there was no plan to have anyone from the Arrowverse cross over into Supergirl, but that changed as well.

 

[famicommander]

Greg Berlanti unequivocally said that there will be no merging of universes.

I really hope they do merge them, if for no other reason than to see you melt down over it.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I really hope they do merge them, if for no other reason than to see you melt down over it.

Considering how absolute Digific is about it, they'll definitely merge them.

 

[DigificWriter]

Considering how absolute Digific is about it, they'll definitely merge them.

I'm absolute about this because Greg Berlanti was absolute about it.

"We have a means of how we're going to deal with her entering the crossovers. She'll be coming to our universe -- Universe Prime -- that we all share. Connecting those two is not something we've talked about, to be honest."

http://www.tvguide.com/news/arrow-the-flash-supergirl-legends-of-tomorrow-spoilers-casting/

 

[famicommander]

First off, he didn't say it would never happen, he said it hasn't been talked about.

Second, if they were planning to do it, they wouldn't spoil it in an interview months/years beforehand. It's going to be a big deal if, hypothetically, it happens. Like season premiere/midseason finale/mega crossover/season finale big.

The producers have lied in the past to protect spoilers, as you should remember from your little Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne fiasco.

 

[DigificWriter]

The higher-ups and executives also said at one point that there was no plan to have anyone from the Arrowverse cross over into Supergirl

No, they didn't.

What they said was that they hadn't discussed having Supergirl crossover with the Arrowverse at the time people were asking them about crossovers (which was before the show had even premiered). They never actually said that crossovers were never going to happen.

 

[Primal Slayer]

He said they havent talked about merging which = possibility. They also said that Arrow would stay grounded and not feature superpowers yet here we are.