Supergirl How would you move Supergirl into the main CWverse?

[Boy Scout]

I really hope they do merge them, if for no other reason than to see you melt down over it.

That is literally the only reason I'd want that to happen.

 

[DigificWriter]

Typical of people to completely gloss over the "She'll be coming to our universe - Universe Prime" part of what Berlanti said.

As for the "people lie" defense, my response to that comes courtesy of the man responsible for the second of my signature quotations, one Christopher L. Bennett:

As a rule, though, there's such a thing as the presumption of innocence. If you expect someone to be honest and they turn out to be lying, that's their fault. But if you assume they're lying and they actually aren't, then you're the one in the wrong. So giving others the benefit of the doubt is a basic part of just generally not being a jerk. If you're going to accuse someone of lying, it should be based on evidence, and "Well, some other person with a similar job lied once" is not evidence by any rational standard.

 

[NotNickFury]

No, they didn't.

What they said was that they hadn't discussed having Supergirl crossover with the Arrowverse at the time people were asking them about crossovers (which was before the show had even premiered). They never actually said that crossovers were never going to happen.

Kreisberg shot down the rumors and suggestions in December, well after Supergirl's first season had already started, so not sure where the idea that this talk came before the show had ever premiered. Semantics or not, there was still no plan for it, legal or otherwise.

 

[DigificWriter]

People had been asking about crossovers since before the show had premiered, and the answer was always the same: "It's not something we're currently thinking about".

Kreisberg's comments were no different, although he did add an element of "legal uncertainty" to the equation that wasn't previously there... which, BTW, is not the same as saying "we're not going to do crossovers" even if you'd like to try and pretend otherwise.

Whatever, though. I'm done with this entire thing because it's "beating a dead horse".

 

[NotNickFury]

That's about the kindest way of saying 'I've nothing else to contribute' I've ever heard.

 

[marvelrobbins]

as far as we know supergirl is going to stay In it's own universe and apparently
whenever there is crossovers flash will be going to supergirl to bring her over.
however in the previous flash/supergirl crossover it wasn't quite so easy for flash to get back.and who knows if they are telling the truth or not.

very intresting CW is waiting to premiere supergirl after premieres of both flash and arrow.flashpoint may end at end of flash s3 premiere and then
whatever fallout continues.In comics fallout of flashpoint caused major changes so it's not out of question same thing occuries on CW DC universe.

one of problems is for 4 show crossover if supergirl remains seperate universe
if isn't any stakes in crossover for supergirl.the threat doesn't really threan
supergirl universe.it would be it appears flash come over to get her help and
she leaves her world to help flash.

In addation keeping supergirl in her own universe means not really part of arrowverse.and also if they ever want more crossovers they consently need flash to bring her over.they can never have supergirl interact with arrow or legends of tomorrow without flash.

 

[DigificWriter]

A few things:
1)Marc Guggenheim just confirmed that the term "Arrowverse" is being used collectively to encompass the franchise as a whole, including the multiple Earths that make up its internal Multiverse, but the term can also be applied exclusively to the series set on "Earth 1".

2) The Flashpoint event isn't ending with the Flash season premiere, but it's also not going to last the entire season, either.

3) The reason that they're not merging Supergirl's reality with Earth-1 is the same now as it's always been, and is the same reason that she wasn't placed on Earth-1 to begin with: Superman doesn't exist on Earth-1.

4) The Waverider is capable of interdimensional travel, so the Legends of Tomorrow do in fact have the ability to travel to Supergirl's Earth and interact with her and her associates independently of her traveling to Earth-1 with Barry.

 

[vantheman77]

There is no need for Supergirl's universe to merge with Arrow/ Flash/ Legends universe. She was established without them. Multiverse is the only way.

 

[BH/HHH]

The higher-ups and executives also said at one point that there was no plan to have anyone from the Arrowverse cross over into Supergirl, but that changed as well.

Indeed they were also adamant on Arrow that there would be no superpowers and that changed. What's true today isn't always true tomorrow.

I think people need to stop been so adamant that things won't happen or can't happened because as we know anything can change.

Dignifc, I don't understand your stance on this sort of stuff when you've been adamant before about stuff like Hank Henshaw not been the Martian Manhunter and or Harrison Wells not been the Reverse Flash. I get and agree that I don't want the universes to merge. Of course right now there are no plans for it but you have to change your attitude a little when you have a track record of been wrong before.

 

[DigificWriter]

Why should I capitulate to the kind of cynical attitude that says that you can't take anything at face value?

If I end up being wrong for choosing to take what is said/communicated by a particular television showrunner or film director at face value, I'd rather be wrong than live my life as a "negative nancy" who assumes that everything is one gigantic conspiracy.

 

[Kelly]

How about we keep the discussion to the topic of Supergirl, rather than individual posters....thank you!

 

[BH/HHH]

Why should I capitulate to the kind of cynical attitude that says that you can't take anything at face value?

If I end up being wrong for choosing to take what is said/communicated by a particular television showrunner or film director at face value, I'd rather be wrong than live my life as a "negative nancy" who assumes that everything is one gigantic conspiracy.

Well whoever these negative Nancy's are I'd love to know cause if you're trying to say I'm one of them then you're wrong once again.

 

[BH/HHH]

How about we keep the discussion to the topic of Supergirl, rather than individual posters....thank you!

Apologies Kelly

 

[Rorschach2012]

Can't believe people still think that Supergirl wont join the greater DCCWU

It's totally happening. I just don't know when.

 

[BH/HHH]

Can't believe people still think that Supergirl wont join the greater DCCWU

It's totally happening. I just don't know when.

Yeah I think it wil happen evntually, tbh it would suprise me if they waited til it ends and do it in a huge finale of sorts. Given the newspaper article with the Flash and the red skies etc from the future I certainly think it will happen,

I'd rather they didn't merge them whilst the shows are ongoing, I'd be fine with it happening in the very last episodes of the DCCW.

Also someone said that Superman doesn't exist within the DCCW but if the universes merge so will the respective timelines, incidents etc. Therefore Superman would then be part of that merger, That's pretty what happen with Crisis on Infinite Earths (or in other words allowed DC to say whatever they want was canon at the time).

 

[Rorschach2012]

All Berlani ever talks about is Crisis, we're gonna get a merger of the universes. Promise

 

[Thome216]

It probably wouldn't happen right away, if it does, but if so it is something that can be built up slowly. Even having hints on the other shows that slowly spiral together. Heck, take two seasons to do it if they want just as long as they do it.

 

[Dr.]

Can't believe people still think that Supergirl won't join the greater DCCWU. It's totally happening.

IMO, merging the Supergirl Earth with the “Flarrowverse” would create more problems than it solves. But questionable storytelling is a familiar pattern on the Berlanti shows - so a merger is probably in the cards.

 

[Rorschach2012]

IMO, merging the Supergirl Earth with the “Flarrowverse” would create more problems than it solves. But questionable storytelling is a familiar pattern on the Berlanti shows - so a merger is probably in the cards.

It's actually really simple and causes no problems if you just use crisis and retcon the past like the comics have done for years.

 

[Dr.]

It's actually really simple and causes no problems if you just use crisis and retcon the past like the comics have done for years.

Well, “retconning” is what a writer does when he’s written himself into a corner. It’s a clumsy cheat- a mulligan, a do-over. Granted - and as you mention - this is a familiar trick in superhero comics. So why not superhero TV? Fair enough.

But it’s a stretch, IMO, to claim that the retcon is benign and “causes no problems.” By its very nature, it's problematic, sloppy storytelling.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Damn after seeing that fight club video, there's no doubt in my mind. The creators want Supergirl in the CW universe BAD. Her, Superman, and Manhunter are going to be seeing a lot of Green Arrow, Flash and co very soon

 

[Boy Scout]

Well, “retconning” is what a writer does when he’s written himself into a corner. It’s a clumsy cheat- a mulligan, a do-over. Granted - and as you mention - this is a familiar trick in superhero comics. So why not superhero TV? Fair enough.

But it’s a stretch, IMO, to claim that the retcon is benign and “causes no problems.” By its very nature, it's problematic, sloppy storytelling.

 

[BH/HHH]

You wouldn't even have to retcon anything, it could all still have happened in a new timeline. You don't have to New 52 it and start a fresh. You can do what Crisis on Infinite Earths did, the canon remained it was just at that point the universes merged into one. This allowed writers to say things like yes Superman did still have the one story with Brainiac or Lex etc but retcon what they didn't need. Even if they merge the universes the previous seasons worth of work all still happened. So they could say that Superman still exists just now in Earth that also contains Flash, Arrow, etc.

Personally though I'd prefer they didn't merge them as I like having the multiverse.

 

[famicommander]

You could still explore the multiverse with Universe-Prime merging with Universe-Supergirl. It would just be a lot cleaner to have all the main characters inhabiting the same universe.

 

[DigificWriter]

You wouldn't even have to retcon anything, it could all still have happened in a new timeline. You don't have to New 52 it and start a fresh. You can do what Crisis on Infinite Earths did, the canon remained it was just at that point the universes merged into one. This allowed writers to say things like yes Superman did still have the one story with Brainiac or Lex etc but retcon what they didn't need. Even if they merge the universes the previous seasons worth of work all still happened. So they could say that Superman still exists just now in Earth that also contains Flash, Arrow, etc.

Personally though I'd prefer they didn't merge them as I like having the multiverse.

Crisis on Infinite Earths didn't initially do what you think it did; what it initially did was to destroy all existing continuity and start things from scratch. It's only through the later Infinite and Final Crisis events that DC tried to 'undo' the fact that they'd destroyed a large chunk of their narrative universe history and retcon Pre-Crisis stuff back into existence.