The Avengers Hulk Vs Thor - The Movie Edition

[BigThor]

But can movie Thor drop a Leviathan with a single punch like Hulk did?

Probably not but who cares, Hulk HAS to be stronger than Thor because strength is his core power not Thor's.

Thor can summon tornadoes, lightning, and has a mystical hammer, if you make him stronger than Hulk than what's the point in having Hulk around?

 

[jadejaws]

Probably not but who cares, Hulk HAS to be stronger than Thor because strength is his core power not Hulk's.

Thor can summon tornadoes, lightning, and has a mystical hammer, if you make him stronger than Hulk than what's the point in having Hulk around?

Well said, Big Thor.

 

[BigThor]

Well said, Big Thor.

Thanks Jade Jaws, it's pretty much common sense really.

 

[Xeno]

But can movie Thor drop a Leviathan with a single punch like Hulk did?

Thor dropped two Leviathans at once with lightning. I'd say that feat more than equals the Hulk's.

 

[Fifthchild]

If Thor can summon lightning and storms in outer space, I'm pretty sure he could do it in a helicarrier.

I know comics Thor has done such things but (although it did happen on the Bifrost) i'm not sure movie Thor has quite the same capabilities. At any rate having lightning fly out of the void from above just intuitively seems a lot more plausible than lightning just materializing in....i don't know....a nightclub or something. I think that would have a few audience members scratching their heads.

Besides, when he was on the leviathan's back with Hulk he charged Mjolnir with lightning by himself without summoning it from the sky.

I wasnt sure about this. I thought it came out of the sky when he hit the thing. Thanks for the clarification. Still I think from what we have seen in both movies it seems to be implied that the lightning is much more powerful when Thor charges the hammer from the sky before pointing it at someone.

 

[Fifthchild]

After repeat viewings, I do start to wonder whether Loki's stab wasn't ever supposed to truly endanger Thor -- if all it was supposed to do was break the mood (Thor's display of "sentiment"). While Thor later landed unsteadily, he really doesn't seem badly affected by it.

I don't think that can be put on par with the other put-in-danger moments suffered by others on the team.

I dont think you are comparing them properly. The same "in the end they were fine actually" could be said about what we saw of the Hulk, Cap and Starks own danger moments. But at that point in time, when we see Loki stick him, we don't know that.

I was surprised, though, in my first viewing (most responsive audience), that Loki's stab got a huge crowd reaction. A lot of shocked gasps. Some of the audience seemed to think it was a major threat to Thor, at least.

Exactly. In the end it seems to be more of a flesh wound but at that point it could be something fatal. The audience doesn't know.

 

[The Morningstar]

I certainly didnt get the impression that Thor had the opportunity to land blow after blow with Mjolnir but for arguments sake lets assume he did. He had just hit Hulk with the best shot you could ever hope to land on anyone, with Hulk jumping right into a massive full body hammer spin to the chin, and Hulk just shrugged it off. If thats the case it makes sense to try and bring Hulk down by choking him out. As it is Thor didnt seem to achieve much in terms of stopping Hulks destruction of the helicarrier and seemed to be responsible for a few floors being breached. If he could have beaten Hulk into submission that might have been a better idea.

He shrugged it off... after clearly being dazed.

What if Thor hit him multiple times with it? He's clearly faster than Hulk and can dodge Hulk's punches as shown previously in the fight.

You are welcome to that interpretation but as far as I'm concerned there isnt really anything in the movie that sells that idea and theres a fair bit that implies that its not the case (Thor smiling, Thor actively attacking Hulk).

I think it's pretty clear. If Thor was going all out, why did he only hit Hulk with his main weapon, Mjolnir, once? Why did he just jump on his back and try to put him in a sleeper hold?

That isn't going all out, not caring about the surrounding environment, that is clearly just trying to subdue the Hulk and occupy him so it doesn't put the Helicarrier, and everyone on board, in danger.

 

[Fifthchild]

He shrugged it off... after clearly being dazed.

What if Thor hit him multiple times with it? He's clearly faster than Hulk and can dodge Hulk's punches as shown previously in the fight.

I'm not sure I would conclude that he's clearly faster. Its not like Hulk wasnt telegraphing his punches from the other side of the planet. Thor's a skilled fighter but this Hulk is still fast enough to grab Mjolnir out of the air and snatch that ejecting jet pilot.

At any rate I'm sure Thor would have loved to hit him with it dozens of times but theres only one point in the fight where Thor arguably had the opportunity to try and hit him again with it. And in that split second (after Thor just kneed Hulk in the head while he was struggling with Mjolnir rather than jumping on his back and trying to subdue him "peacefully") he opted to try and choke him out instead. And I think people are reading way too much into that - its not like it didnt end up in the single most destructive move of the whole fight anyway.

I think it's pretty clear. If Thor was going all out, why did he only hit Hulk with his main weapon, Mjolnir, once? Why did he just jump on his back and try to put him in a sleeper hold?

That isn't going all out, not caring about the surrounding environment, that is clearly just trying to subdue the Hulk and occupy him so it doesn't put the Helicarrier, and everyone on board, in danger.

Why hit Hulk at all if thats the case? That hit totalled a jet. Why not use his superior speed to dodge every blow, leap on his back and choke him out? Thor seemed very willing to punch, knee, hammer and choke Hulk in any way he could.

At the end of the day I think the idea that Thor was doing his best to put Hulk down fits the majority of the facts much better than the idea that he was going easy on him.

 

[The Morningstar]

I'm not saying he was going easy on him. I'm saying that Thor didn't use the full reserves of his power because he knew if he did that it would only cause more destruction and put more lives at risks. If he was going all out with no care for the consequences he could have, i dunno, whipped up a tornado, let off a city busting blast like he did at the end of the Frost Giant battle, summoned up some lightning.

If you had Thor and Hulk fighting in a desert or something, and Thor was actually trying to hurt Hulk, with no civilians around, the fight would go much different.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This. Very good points. I keep pointing out that Hulk didn't become unconscious due to the fall, he lost consciousness due to the change back to Banner. And as you pointed out, Hulk guided himself to that abandoned building hence the security guards comments.

Yep, which also flies in the face of the people who say Hulk was fully enraged and out of control during his fight with Thor, this shows he clearly wasnt and Banner still had some control.

As far as Thor's hand being damaged; i don't think that was the case. I took that part as him about to summon the hammer, then he paused for a moment of clarity and reflected upon what had just happened.

You're right. Also, the great line, "Son, you have a condition". and hurt hand? I never heard that before, I think that was just him walking up to it, then pausing, and realizing that his brother is beyond reason, and he has to fight his brother to end all this madness.

No, that's not what was going on with that bit. After Loki having just proved that he was willing to do something that at least might have killed him, that moment of hesitation was a gut-check moment. Realizing that he had to be willing to pick up Mjolnir and perhaps use it to stop his brother by killing him.

Speaking as someone who has had a swollen hand for the past two weeks due to punching a metal post, his hand looked very swollen to me, especially around the knuckle area, which incidently is were my hand is currently the most swollen.

 

[jaqua99]

All I know is when I saw it the audience GASPED and there were some serious oh wow moments....but the biggest one was when Thor lands the full force uppercut with the hammer on Hulk that sends him REAAAAAAAAAALLLING and he falls into the fighter jet


now did he straight up recover and keep coming YES


He also cheep shots Thor like a brotherly kind of thing when they were fighting on top of the Mechabeast just for laughs


Gotta love that they played up BOTH characters abilities and clearly they were considered near equals


Also Loved How Thor was winding up his hammer to fly and save Toney at the end but Hulk steps in before Thor takes off to save the Iron Man




I gotta say you got the general feeling that If THor really went all out with lightning attacks he could have knocked Hulk on his arse a bit more... ALso Thor never got the hammer winding up Berzerker style like he did when he was destroying multiple frost Giants. That could have hurt the Hulk as well.

Exactly. In terms of attack damage by swinging the hammer, that scene takes the cake for Thor in the MCU. Granted, it wouldnt have KO'd Hulk, but a couple of those seriously could have hurt Hulk. And mre than like dazed him. That is what most of us mean by "All out" not to mention, that hammer strike that was charged by lightning, and then destroyed a good city size landscape, of Thor could charge that up WHILE moving, and hit Hulk with that, if he was already on the ground, I don't think Hulk, as durable as he is, would have taken to that too kindly.

 

[jaqua99]

But can movie Thor drop a Leviathan with a single punch like Hulk did?

2 with lightning, and well, hulk did put the spike in his back, but Thor got the KO punch on the Leviathan by charging his hammer, granted, the spike was in his back though.

 

[jyd_me]

Let's see who Tony Stark thinks is stronger...

Loki: "I have an army."
Tony Stark: "We have a Hulk."

/End thread

 

[Weadazoid]

Exactly. In terms of attack damage by swinging the hammer, that scene takes the cake for Thor in the MCU. Granted, it wouldnt have KO'd Hulk, but a couple of those seriously could have hurt Hulk. And mre than like dazed him. That is what most of us mean by "All out" not to mention, that hammer strike that was charged by lightning, and then destroyed a good city size landscape, of Thor could charge that up WHILE moving, and hit Hulk with that, if he was already on the ground, I don't think Hulk, as durable as he is, would have taken to that too kindly.

yup and face it Thor took a punch on the nose and smiled with glee



Plus as mourningstar pointed out it would have seemed if Thor really wanted to damage the Hulk he could have Jumped right on top of the dazed beast as he was getting up from the crushed aircraft that broke his fall.


Thor did not want to bring down the helicarrier, He needed to be .... leashed so to speak, and he was trying to reason with Banner



But face if, he and the hulk have a kind of almost friendly brotherly animosity towards one another

 

[Fifthchild]

Plus as mourningstar pointed out it would have seemed if Thor really wanted to damage the Hulk he could have Jumped right on top of the dazed beast as he was getting up from the crushed aircraft that broke his fall.

He was coming at Hulk full bore as he got up. Its not like there was some particular opportunity to close the distance and strike him again that he gave away here.

 

[Fifthchild]

Idk, that uppercut definitely had some effect. For a split second, Hulk looked dazed, but then literally shook it off, shook his head, so yeah, one more wouldnt of done it, but a few hammer strikes to the head could have definitely done some damage. Neither were able to put the other party in any pain whatsoever during that fight it seemed like.

I wouldnt agree with the last part. I think there was plenty of pain to go round. I'm sure Thor felt pain when Hulk punched him and slammed him into things and that Hulk felt pain when Thor hit him in the face with his fist, knee and Mjolnir. Nobody was in immediate danger of going down but theres no reason to believe they didnt feel anything.

To cause less collateral damage, jumping on someone's back, putting him in a choke hold, in a fight, thats usually what people do, to sort of, you know, its done, calm down dude, just relax.

It can be seen as a less damaging way to put someone down than battering them into unconsciousness but its also an effective way to bring down a physically superior opponent, partiuclarly an unskilled one. Given the offensive tear Thor was on it didnt seem to me like he was trying to calm Hulk down but I realise this is something that people are never going to agree on.

Just cause he attacked Hulk, didn't mean he wasn't going all out. Thor CLEARLY understood at this point during the fight, what Hulk is capable of, and what Hulk could take. And no, beating an Ally into submission would not have been a better idea. Hulk is a mortal. By a realm's standpoint atleast. Banner is a friend, not his enemy, in the MCU i think its kind of stressed that Thor has matured. So no, I don't see him trying to beat Hulk into submission.

I think he had an idea that he wasnt going to get it done boxing style and he knew that Hulk wasnt going to be talked round but i dont think he knew exactly how much Hulk could take. As it is, no matter what your overall goal, theres no real strategic benefit to hitting Hulk if you dont think you are going to take him down. You're just going to rile him up.

As for Banner and Thor being friends I cant agree. Their only interactions up to this point had been distinctly unfriendly. Banner was some nerd Thor met 5 minutes ago.

 

[Venomfan]

its hard to believe any being in the MU we've seen so far could take a hit like the one Thor did on jotenheim. the damage from that was the same as the cosmic cube imploded the sheild facilities at the beginning of avengers

 

[The Morningstar]

He was coming at Hulk full bore as he got up. Its not like there was some particular opportunity to close the distance and strike him again that he gave away here.

Considering he has subsonic reflexes (as shown by deflecting energy blasts like they are nothing) and supersonic flight speed, yea, he could have.

 

[Fifthchild]

Considering he has subsonic reflexes (as shown by deflecting energy blasts like they are nothing) and supersonic flight speed, yea, he could have.

I think you are taking that a bit literally. Its not like energy beams in films travel at the speed of light or sound. We can see them move through the air and people like Captain America can block them. Thor has great reflexes and speed in the film. As does Hulk and Iron Man. Pegging them as literally supersonic is a bit much for me however.

As for flight, but for perhaps one scene in his fight with IM it seems to take him a second or so to get going. Theres also the fact that he was still following through on that big swing when we last see him. And when we next see him - sprinting flat out. Theres probably a pretty big movie cheat in that Thor seemed to knock Hulk back about....lets say 20 to 30 meters and when we cut back to Thor when he chucks the hammer again after bull-rushing Hulk he seems even further away. Still i dont think theres really anything to say he could have done better.

 

[The Morningstar]

We only see them because they have blue tracers. You can see bullets if they have tracer tips too. The energy blasts were moving just as fast as bullets. So Thor can see, and react to bullets after they've been fired.

Cap has a big shield, he doesn't have to react to bullets. And he got hit anyway.

Thot showed supersonic flight in his film IIRC. After the Frost Giant battle he took off and there was a sonic boom.

 

[BigThor]

Let's see who Tony Stark thinks is stronger...

Loki: "I have an army."
Tony Stark: "We have a Hulk."

/End thread

Lulz you can't be serious...

 

[Herolee10]

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[Raiden]

Let's see who Tony Stark thinks is stronger...

Loki: "I have an army."
Tony Stark: "We have a Hulk."

/End thread

Stark said it because he didn't know how powerful Hulk really is, and Thor is/was his brother so Stark can't say "We have a Thor".

 

[Superhero 101]

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i love how you can see hulk's saliva come out when he gets hit

 

[Thor The Mighty]

I'm a huge Thor fan (obviously) I'm a hulk fan too and I think it was a good fight. I do think by the time that the fight ended the Hulk had gotten angry enough to surpass Thor's strength level which makes it a credible fight. That being said just because you surpass his physical strength does not mean you automatically win. I wonder what would have happened if they were not on a carrier filled with normal people. Thor may have thought of that, I'm sure the Hulk didn't. If Thor had been treated the same way that I've seen in the comics for several years I would have been pissed. As long as he wasn't humiliated I'm good.