Hype Survivor HYPE SURVIVOR 19: Creepy on a Whole New Level - DAY 11: Day 11

[Asteroid-Man]

That's beef man!

 

[Fran]

It's what's for dinner.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Alright lets make this quick and painless. Because she did not vote, Kmack is unanimously voted off. Kmack...

Also, 2 votes are posted against Jewhob for posting twice while on Exile Island. These can come up in future tribal councils in case of a tie.

This shows that I had the votes counted against me, but not included in the actual tribal councel, thus, the same should be said here.

 

[hippie_hunter]

JewHob has a good point there.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I honestly do not mean to sound disrespectful, and I acknowledge that I messed up. I have a horrible memory, but that isn't an excuse. I deserve the votes against me in the event of a tie. But as I said, Matt says he decided how he did to be fair... but I believe what I stated is the true fair call. I respect Matt and his decisions, but I'm hoping he realizes that he made a mistake on that call, same as I made a mistake on my posting.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

*applause*
While we wait for his reply...
I mixed Top of Game with Baiao Destemperado to make a cool new song. I made a video and since neither of the songs had it's own, I made it from scratch. Enjoy!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IQ57uLyn-as

 

[StorminNorman]

JewHob and I got hosed

 

[Kipobe]

This shows that I had the votes counted against me, but not included in the actual tribal councel, thus, the same should be said here.

Did anyone have more than two votes in that council?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

it doesn't matter. All that does is watchin my video

 

[Matt]

I honestly do not mean to sound disrespectful, and I acknowledge that I messed up. I have a horrible memory, but that isn't an excuse. I deserve the votes against me in the event of a tie. But as I said, Matt says he decided how he did to be fair... but I believe what I stated is the true fair call. I respect Matt and his decisions, but I'm hoping he realizes that he made a mistake on that call, same as I made a mistake on my posting.

The essential difference is, your two posts were never a majority. That was the issue here. It was a gray area not addressed in the rules. Did Exile Island mean you couldn't be voted against or couldn't be voted off? The ghost host and I, considering opinions from other players (more than Erz, by the way) decided that it was the former, not the latter.

 

[Mee]

Brodie4evah!

 

[Fran]

Well, since no-one I know of is hosting 22, and I'm aware of the rules, etc., I'm calling Hype! Survivor 22 as the one hosted by me.

 

[Matt]

JewHob and I got hosed

Neither of you were screwed, you were in fact the exact opposite. Screw involves a breaking of a rule. In this case one of your fellow players followed the rules to a T and has used it to his advantage.

 

[StorminNorman]

Neither of you were screwed, you were in fact the exact opposite. Screw involves a breaking of a rule. In this case one of your fellow players followed the rules to a T and has used it to his advantage.

Its my party and I will cry if I want to

I could make the point though that it was your refusal to reverse of a decision you made (the challenge eliminating `1 not 2 challengers) that led to my castaway, while I was put in that situation because you DID reverse a decision you made (to allow Teddy's prize count).

While one could argue that Teddy's prize gave me a chance to save myself, so I should not complain about it - it also made me a huge target, especially at this point in the game. If you were going to take that out, one could argue you should of taken the whole round out.

But it is not worth the *****ing and moaning, I am instead simply looking forward to Survivor 20 and hope I can make the game.

 

[Matt]

Its my party and I will cry if I want to

I could make the point though that it was your refusal to reverse of a decision you made (the challenge eliminating `1 not 2 challengers) that led to my castaway, while I was put in that situation because you DID reverse a decision you made (to allow Teddy's prize count).

While one could argue that Teddy's prize gave me a chance to save myself, so I should not complain about it - it also made me a huge target, especially at this point in the game. If you were going to take that out, one could argue you should of taken the whole round out.

My head just exploded. Can I reply to this in the morning?

 

[Mee]

 

[StorminNorman]

My head just exploded. Can I reply to this in the morning?

You don't really have to reply at all.

Though I feel as if I got the slight short-end of the stick, I am not bitter.

Someone had to lose.

 

[StorminNorman]

Wow, two E's really ARE better than one!

 

[JewishHobbit]

The essential difference is, your two posts were never a majority. That was the issue here. It was a gray area not addressed in the rules. Did Exile Island mean you couldn't be voted against or couldn't be voted off? The ghost host and I, considering opinions from other players (more than Erz, by the way) decided that it was the former, not the latter.

I reply with this...

2) My second announcement of the day is a new addition to this game. Anyone who has seen the past few seasons of Survivor is familiar with something known as "Exile Island". Each time a tribe loses, the opposing tribe will select a member to send to Exile Island. This member will not get to vote in tribal council (also, they will not be able to be voted off) and they will not be permitted to take part in the next day's challenge (they will return to their tribe following it). How will I keep them from doing the challenge, you ask? There are moles in this game, like last game. I have AT LEAST 2 in each tribe. So if you cheat, I will know. Unlike last game, there is no benefit to hunting down the moles (although the mole may recieve bonus points if they make it to the end), the moles will not try to destroy your tribe like last game...they are there simply for my benefit and are a player like the rest of you. So behave and no forwarding the challenge PM to our exiles or I'll know and you will be removed from the game. Oh, did I mention that on Exile Island there is a hidden immunity idol that can be used at any point in the game? It is hidden somewhere on this board and you will be given a clue on how to find it each time you go. The idol can be used once anywhere up until the final four. If you get it, no one will know but you and the people you choose to tell.

That was in the beginning of the Day 2 thread. Your stated rules say that I cannot get voted off. Even if they are my votes, I still can't get voted off the island. That is directly from you, THE official rule.

I'm not seeing the adamant task of sending me home this week. I messed up, punish me, but punish me within your rules. Add those 5 posts as votes for future ties. Heck, add votes for these arguments I've been posting (save the one you said I could), but according to the rules that you put into play, I should not being going home this week.

 

[Fran]

You do know that Matt's rule is open to interpretation, right?

"Voted off" as opposed to "amassing votes" is NOT the same thing. "Voted off" suggests receiving votes from others. "Amassing votes" has to have a tangible way of being punished.

And doing that in future councils isn't a really valid way, since the past-vote system is merely a tie-breaker measure... not a penalty.

 

[JewishHobbit]

He simply stated that I can't be voted off. If I amass more votes than anyone else, is it not my votes that are sending me home? That's still being voted off and an exile cannot be voted off.

 

[Matt]

I reply with this...



That was in the beginning of the Day 2 thread. Your stated rules say that I cannot get voted off. Even if they are my votes, I still can't get voted off the island. That is directly from you, THE official rule.

I'm not seeing the adamant task of sending me home this week. I messed up, punish me, but punish me within your rules. Add those 5 posts as votes for future ties. Heck, add votes for these arguments I've been posting (save the one you said I could), but according to the rules that you put into play, I should not being going home this week.

It depends on how you look at it. You were ineligible to be voted off by the other players. They did not vote you off. You voted yourself off. Like I said, at best it was a gray area of the rules and the ghost host and I interpreted it as "You cannot be voted off (by other players)." Besides, you broke this rule on numerous occassions. It is not as if this is your first time. Had it been, I likely would've let it slide, but you were aware of the rule and ignored it regardless. Furthermore, the official Exile Island rules were changed upon the merge. The updated official rules have been in the spoiler section since the merge. Those are the game's official rules. It is much more fuzzy. It says "safe from tribal council". And you were, you were not voted off through means of tribal council. You were voted off through penalty votes. Like I said, I did not come to this conclusion alone. I have PMs from 3 or 4 other players weighing in on it feeling that your vote out is the appropriate action.

 

[JewishHobbit]

It's not ignoring, it's forgetting.

And if this is your final decision, then fine. I think it's bad hosting (and ghost hosting). You cannot take a rule and bend it to make it fit the situation. I cannot get voted off. Me having more votes than the others and going home for it is me getting voted off. I've hosted Contest of Marvels for over a year now and never once have I bent a rule, or punished a player for entering a grey area. If anything a grey area was my failure for not clarifying in the first place.

I think anyone here will agree that I'm not the type of person who just goes and rebels against rules. I've not done it in any previous survivor games, I've not broken any rules in any other games I've played (Contest of Marvels, DTL, Marvel RPG, etc.). I do everything by the book. The two times I broke this rule is simply due to forgetting, and yes, I agree that I should be punished, but your level of punishment here is absurd. You are breaking your own rules! You never stated that amassing votes is differant from actual votes, you simply said I can't be voted out.

You're smart Matt, you always have been. The only thing I see here is that either 1) You're letting other people influence your common sense, 2) you have something personal against me (don't know why that would be though), or 3) your cheating for someone else (I highly doubt this one too, it's not you).

I'm not ragging on you Matt, but I know you can see what I"m talking about. I've not called you out on anything before, though there were things I thought coudl have been handled better. I think you've done a decent job thus far, but this is rediculous. If you can't make your rules and stick to them, and if you can't go a game without bending them (because that's what this is), then you shouldn't be hosting.

 

[Matt]

It's not ignoring, it's forgetting.

And if this is your final decision, then fine. I think it's bad hosting (and ghost hosting). You cannot take a rule and bend it to make it fit the situation. I cannot get voted off. Me having more votes than the others and going home for it is me getting voted off. I've hosted Contest of Marvels for over a year now and never once have I bent a rule, or punished a player for entering a grey area. If anything a grey area was my failure for not clarifying in the first place.

I think anyone here will agree that I'm not the type of person who just goes and rebels against rules. I've not done it in any previous survivor games, I've not broken any rules in any other games I've played (Contest of Marvels, DTL, Marvel RPG, etc.). I do everything by the book. The two times I broke this rule is simply due to forgetting, and yes, I agree that I should be punished, but your level of punishment here is absurd. You are breaking your own rules! You never stated that amassing votes is differant from actual votes, you simply said I can't be voted out.

You're smart Matt, you always have been. The only thing I see here is that either 1) You're letting other people influence your common sense, 2) you have something personal against me (don't know why that would be though), or 3) your cheating for someone else (I highly doubt this one too, it's not you).

I'm not ragging on you Matt, but I know you can see what I"m talking about. I've not called you out on anything before, though there were things I thought coudl have been handled better. I think you've done a decent job thus far, but this is rediculous. If you can't make your rules and stick to them, and if you can't go a game without bending them (because that's what this is), then you shouldn't be hosting.

I understand why you are upset, I apologize for this and really wish it didn't happen, but I played the cards I was dealt. I can see why you would disagree and I understand. There was debate over it and at one point I leaned very heavily towards keeping you in but then very good points came up in the debate which has been an all day thing and...the scale was tipped against you. For reasons of other player's safety in the game I cannot explain more, when the game is over I will give you a full explanation on the debating process that occured today and all the behind the scenes events.

 

[Darren Daring]

Redoy!