Comics I got it, its House of M....

[kguillou]

I just reread House of M ( what an amazing story btw), and im convinced its still the effects of Scarlet Witch's powers going out of control thats causing all this madness in the marvel universe. Think about it, theres no way spiderman and all these marvel heroes would be killing each other like this. Its the witch's power doing this.

Plus what really convinced me were the final pages of House of M #8 where Doctor Pym says " All this energy... the energy of thousands of Mutants... it didnt all just disappear. It's Sir Isaac Newton's Third law of physics... everyone knows it:for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So I'm asking? What will be the reaction?" Think about it guys, this "reaction" is the civil war thats causing all the heroes to lose their minds and act out of character (especially Thor). Thats my theory wut do y'all think?

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

the "reaction" was some guy named micheal that came back with all of the mutants powers. but CW could be the doining of SW.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

I don't think it's that far-fetched.

I mean...for decades, a staple of comic-book storytelling has been the super-hero fight. For whatever reason, two heroes meet, have a misunderstanding, and beat the snot out of each other. Generally they realize the mix-up before anybody ends up in the ground, though...

Heroes fight each other all the time, so I don't think HoM is affecting that aspect of it, although I do believe that the paranoia over thousands of mutants losing their powers probably affected the public's desire to have a registration act passed.

 

[Rambo, John J]

At the very least, it provides our esteemed EIC with yet another back door should he ever come to his senses and decide to retcon the more worrying aspects of CW.

 

[3dman27]

At the very least, it provides our esteemed EIC with yet another back door should he ever come to his senses and decide to retcon the more worrying aspects of CW.

i shoud hope he does STAT

 

[SpideyInATree]

I just reread House of M ( what an amazing story btw), and im convinced its still the effects of Scarlet Witch's powers going out of control thats causing all this madness in the marvel universe. Think about it, theres no way spiderman and all these marvel heroes would be killing each other like this. Its the witch's power doing this.

Plus what really convinced me were the final pages of House of M #8 where Doctor Pym says " All this energy... the energy of thousands of Mutants... it didnt all just disappear. It's Sir Isaac Newton's Third law of physics... everyone knows it:for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So I'm asking? What will be the reaction?" Think about it guys, this "reaction" is the civil war thats causing all the heroes to lose their minds and act out of character (especially Thor). Thats my theory wut do y'all think?

They already covered that mutant energy in an arc of New Avengers. The energy went into a guy, I believe, in Alaska...I could be wrong about that...but he was a mutant himself and absorbed all the different mutant powers, including Magneto's. And basically he did a lot of killing on his way to Genosha. It was actually a pretty good story arc.

And as for your theory, it's possible that they could retcon things this way. Possibly the precursor in my theory of a mass mindwipe, which will have everyone forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, including his own family Aunt May and...especially Mary Jane. This will lead to them not being married and Peter not remarrying her to not endanger his wife, err..ex-wife again. And it takes care of MJ without death or divorce. And also could be what puts Spidey back in the black costume considering MJ hates that suit.

 

[daveswb]

Marvel has already annonced there will be a House of M tie in with Civil War. Heck Quicksilver has already showed up. (not that that means too much). I guess that will be revealed in New Avengers #24.

It's the ultimate co-op though if they go that way. Not to say I want them to keep this mess around that they created, but they can't come up with a more creative way to fix it?

Though I find myself wondering how else will Marvel get themselves out of this mess?

 

[SpideyInATree]

No matter how they retcon it or evolve the story it won't be creative enough for most people, because judgement has already been passed.

 

[TheVileOne]

That's a pretty stupid way to end the marriage. I refuse to believe Spider-man would give up Mary Jane like that after all they've been through and how much they've fought to stay together.

And either way, a writer would probably come along sooner or later and change it anyway.

Also, I hate the mind-wipe forget about everything that happened **** being used again.

They did it in Iron Man. And they did it in the Flash. If they did that, more proof that the writers are un-creative hacks.

 

[Donald Thomas]

No matter how they retcon it or evolve the story it won't be creative enough for most people, because judgement has already been passed.

Aloha,
Some people, not most. Since House of M is still a real part of the 616 Universe, it has to be resolved. I've thoght for sometime now that The Illuminati(Dr. Strange in particular), Scarlet Witch and Sentry will play a major role in retconning the whole 616 Universe after Civil War.Time will tell.
Spidey rules

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Michael was where the energy went.
Civil War is Mark Millar's vision of the real world put into the marvel universe, even though it doesn't really apply. Scarlet Witch will not be involved until after the war.
They just wanted to change the Marvel Universe. In other words, original poster, you're wrong!
sigh... and he seemed so enthusiastic as well.

 

[kguillou]

way to crush my dreams man... lol

 

[SpideyInATree]

Michael was where the energy went.
Civil War is Mark Millar's vision of the real world put into the marvel universe, even though it doesn't really apply. Scarlet Witch will not be involved until after the war.
They just wanted to change the Marvel Universe. In other words, original poster, you're wrong!
sigh... and he seemed so enthusiastic as well.

Wanda and Hawkeye return in the pages of New Avengers, before Civil War ends. So, Mr. MyPokerShirt, you could be wrong.

 

[Cyclops]

"House of M" and "amazing story" in the same sentence?

I think we just crossed into Bizarro-World.

 

[Chris Wallace]

We've been there for months.

 

[storyteller]

Hopefully scarlet witch undos all this crap.

 

[kguillou]

Originally Posted by Cyclops

"House of M" and "amazing story" in the same sentence?

I think we just crossed into Bizarro-World.

Cyclops, what didnt u like about the story? Im not criticizing im jus curious, i really thought it was a great story, an alternate world was created where all the heroes are given their deepest wishes, spidey's married to gwen and uncle ben is alive for example was a cool touch. Plus the aftermath of it all, i mean magneto and prof x are no longer mutants. I dunno i thought it was a real cool story.

 

[Cyclops]

Let's see...

Lazy, sloppy writing, reliance on a deus ex machina, far too many issues where nothing at all happens, excessive verboseness, everything turns out to be nothing more than an excuse to bring the X-Men back to their 1970s status quo which we've been steadily moving past for almost 30 years, and any "long-lasting repercussions" (egad! Magneto lost his powers again! Professor X too! And he can walk again! Egad!) will be reversed in due time.

"House of M" was a poorly plotted, poorly planned, and poorly executed excuse for an event that robbed anyone who bought it of their hard-earned dollars. I feel lucky that all I got robbed off was the money from the central miniseries.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

No matter how they retcon it or evolve the story it won't be creative enough for most people, because judgement has already been passed.

Primarily because retcons are generally lazy and invalidate good stories (ASM #400 comes to mind).

It's kind of like, well, what's the point of a story anymore if it's not going to stick? It all of these major events just get welched upon, why even bother with it in the first place?

 

[Donald Thomas]

Primarily because retcons are generally lazy and invalidate good stories (ASM #400 comes to mind).

It's kind of like, well, what's the point of a story anymore if it's not going to stick? It all of these major events just get welched upon, why even bother with it in the first place?

Aloha,
I hear you on that point. As I said before, Marvel is no longer dealing in pure continuity stories.Since DC was able to function for decades without continuity, Marvel has taken a leaf from that page. Not all Spider-Man mini series for example are part of continuity-Kingpin and Doc Ock Year One come to mind.My rules of thumb for years now has been-if it does not coincide with events from the Silver and Bronze Age-it's just a story-not to be taken as continuity.
Spidey rules

 

[Donald Thomas]

double post

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Wanda and Hawkeye return in the pages of New Avengers, before Civil War ends. So, Mr. MyPokerShirt, you could be wrong.

Doesnt she appear in #27 (EDIT: guess i'm wrong there. is it 25 then, cos sentry's up next issue), 4 issues from now and civil war ends at #7, 3 issues from now?
Anyway, 50states initiative - heroes spread across the country right? Making marvel more like DC - a couple of heroes per city. Shows registration stays. It's not a reality thing. You know it, I know it. I admire your diplomacy sometimes SIAT but you're going too far!

 

[Won '08]

Honestly? I Think it has something to do with the return of Onslaught.

But thats just me.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I was wondering when somebody was going to say that.
Who the hell wanted to see Onslaught again? What is this, "Recycle Bad Gimmicks" month? Is Superman gonna die next?

 

[kguillou]

Onslaught's coming back?!?! holy crap, pleease tell me you guys aren't serious. There's no way he could come back after that HUGE event 10 years ago. It took like EVERYBODY's full potential to defeat him, how are they gonna do it this time??