Batman Begins I hate batman begin costume

[ANTOINE X]

More and more Im watching the golden globe. The Oscar is getting old.They have to adapt to the new generation. I mean you have to be democratic(woops politic!) and give price to what the majority is watching. I mean every time there s a movie in the 18 century or the old days they get automaticly a big chance to win an Oscar!

The Oscar is realy hypocrite they work with formulas instead or really rate the movie. I bet you anything that if Leadger was a live they wouldn t bother give him a nomination.

 

[El Payaso]

The Oscar is realy hypocrite they work with formulas instead or really rate the movie. I bet you anything that if Leadger was a live they wouldn t bother give him a nomination.

Oh man. That's absolutely true. And Ledger's Joker would have been equally brilliant.

 

[Slushy]

I liked the BB costume better than TDK version.

 

[Mutagen]

An explanation to why, would be nice. Seems like an odd choice to me.

 

[SheldonLevene]

An explanation to why, would be nice. Seems like an odd choice to me.

Lol explanation would probably be that it's not so f'ing busy. I agree with Blackheart. I like the BB suit better than TDK as well. I prefer the size that it affords Bale.

 

[MacLeod]

Lol explanation would probably be that it's not so f'ing busy. I agree with Blackheart. I like the BB suit better than TDK as well. I prefer the size that it affords Bale.

I agree, to the extent that I can. I think the Begins suit is a masterpiece compared to the TDK one because it's not as busy. When I look at the Begins suit I can at least tell they were trying to make a Batman costume (even if they just copied what was done six times before) but when I look at the TDK suit I feel like I'm supposed to follow the map on his torso and legs to some far off treasure, that is of course if I'm not having a seizure because there is too much to look at. With that said, and as if you couldn't tell, I'm not a big fan of the Begins suit so you can imagine my distaste of the TDK one.

 

[Ben Reilly]

I agree, to the extent that I can. I think the Begins suit is a masterpiece compared to the TDK one because it's not as busy. When I look at the Begins suit I can at least tell they were trying to make a Batman costume (even if they just copied what was done six times before) but when I look at the TDK suit I feel like I'm supposed to follow the map on his torso and legs to some far off treasure, that is of course if I'm not having a seizure because there is too much to look at. With that said, and as if you couldn't tell, I'm not a big fan of the Begins suit so you can imagine my distaste of the TDK one.

Well, the comics-suit has flashy colors and the 90's-suits have sculpted muscles.

I think that the two new suits, and especially the one in TDK where they actually talk a lot about his movability, are designed to be more practical than pretty. And I like that. I don't think that they have just done everything like in the 90's, I actually think they have put a lot more sense into it. There are no abs or niples, no thongs or biceps.

I know that a lot of people disagrees. But this is what I think.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea the styling of the TDK suit was explained. It doesn't just look like it for the sake of it. As Fox said, it's a mesh body suit, with armour plates on it. Sorta like a hi tech chainmail and body armour from the medieval times.

 

[Mutagen]

Well, the comics-suit has flashy colors and the 90's-suits have sculpted muscles.

I think that the two new suits, and especially the one in TDK where they actually talk a lot about his movability, are designed to be more practical than pretty. And I like that. I don't think that they have just done everything like in the 90's, I actually think they have put a lot more sense into it. There are no abs or niples, no thongs or biceps.

I know that a lot of people disagrees. But this is what I think.

I thought so too.

 

[MacLeod]

Well, the comics-suit has flashy colors and the 90's-suits have sculpted muscles.

I think that the two new suits, and especially the one in TDK where they actually talk a lot about his movability, are designed to be more practical than pretty. And I like that. I don't think that they have just done everything like in the 90's, I actually think they have put a lot more sense into it. There are no abs or niples, no thongs or biceps.

I know that a lot of people disagrees. But this is what I think.

I can respect your opinion but I'll have to respectfully disagree. I understand Batman shouldn't be flashy and should move well but I can't see how another rubberized suit is any different than six previous rubberized suits. Sure, the two new ones move better but they are still black rubber and that in itself is the problem. As for the abdominal section, both the Begins and TDK suit have amor that resemble abs so that idea, to me at least, is somthing that just looks silly. Also, the TDK suit may have gotten away from making biceps bigger but have you seen the shoulder pads, man-bra on the chest, and the map of London on his legs? That takes away anything that is sensible. Being able to move is one thing but this is a movie where visualizing things come first and practicality comes second. The film makers could have fixed any movement problems from a better looking suit. The point is something other than a flashy or rubberized suit could have been used, the point that nothing else has been tried is the real issue.

 

[MacLeod]

Yea the styling of the TDK suit was explained. It doesn't just look like it for the sake of it. As Fox said, it's a mesh body suit, with armour plates on it. Sorta like a hi tech chainmail and body armour from the medieval times.

And in the first four movies it was a wetsuit with amor on it. The only difference is that this time they explained it. With that said, why couldn't another, any other, explaination be given? Something other than a rubberized suit could have just as easily been explained as what was done. As far as the TDK suit looking the way it does is the problem actually. The whole costume is made up, it's all pretend, we're supposed to believe that these plates will protect him. Since in reality they won't why are they there if for no other reason than someone created it that way. My point is if we are going to suspend belief and have a suit that works with an explanation why not have something other than rubber for once.

 

[SheldonLevene]

You both make good points, I think a good place to start would be to make the entire suit out of the undersuit from TDK. If any of you have watched the film closely (of course everyone here has) in the scene where Bruce is sulking in the chair and his gauntlets are off you can see just how tough the material of the undersuit is. It has zippers and seams, and would be a good mix of new and old. You could just have Lucius explain that advances in the titanium dipped tri-weave fibers have made it able to withstand impact while not doing away with mobility. I think it would look pretty cool too. If I can believe that electricity can turn cloth hard, I can believe that the undersuit can protect Batman.

 

[MacLeod]

You both make good points, I think a good place to start would be to make the entire suit out of the undersuit from TDK. If any of you have watched the film closely (of course everyone here has) in the scene where Bruce is sulking in the chair and his gauntlets are off you can see just how tough the material of the undersuit is. It has zippers and seams, and would be a good mix of new and old. You could just have Lucius explain that advances in the titanium dipped tri-weave fibers have made it able to withstand impact while not doing away with mobility. I think it would look pretty cool too. If I can believe that electricity can turn cloth hard, I can believe that the undersuit can protect Batman.

This is exactly my point, very well put. All that is needed is a different type of explanation and any material could be used. My problem is the explanation could have been used for the previous four movies instead of being new for these two. A new start could have used a new costume idea which in turn would have allowed various explanation possibilities. I would have been happy with the undersuit material for the simple fact that it's not rubber. Put a bat symbol that's slightly darker than the rest of the suit (which is another gripe of mine, the symbol should be seen otherwise why have it), and away we go.

 

[Ben Reilly]

I can respect your opinion but I'll have to respectfully disagree. I understand Batman shouldn't be flashy and should move well but I can't see how another rubberized suit is any different than six previous rubberized suits. Sure, the two new ones move better but they are still black rubber and that in itself is the problem. As for the abdominal section, both the Begins and TDK suit have amor that resemble abs so that idea, to me at least, is somthing that just looks silly. Also, the TDK suit may have gotten away from making biceps bigger but have you seen the shoulder pads, man-bra on the chest, and the map of London on his legs? That takes away anything that is sensible. Being able to move is one thing but this is a movie where visualizing things come first and practicality comes second. The film makers could have fixed any movement problems from a better looking suit. The point is something other than a flashy or rubberized suit could have been used, the point that nothing else has been tried is the real issue.

Fair enough.

Well, I do think that the new suits are a lot different. People are too hung up by the fact that they used rubber to create make-believe armor.

But if you take a closer look at the design, it is obvious (at least to me) that the old suits have been shaped excactly like muscles, perhaps to make Batman look as muscular as he does in the comics where tights are as tight as bodypaint.

And the new suits are not designed like that at all.

Yes they do have an abdominal section build from numerous plates. Batman would not be able to move if it was one big plate. But I still think there is a huge difference.

Here is Val Kilmer:

Do you see what I mean? He is scuplted almost excactly like a human body builder. His suit doesn't just resemble muscles. It's shaped like muscles.

The new suits doesn't go for this look at all. While it's armor shaped to fit a human body, it's just not armor that is supposed to look like the guy is only wearing black bodypaint.

I think the new bat-suits are a lot closer to something like this:

But that one wouldn't stop a bullit or knife, so obviously Batman's suit is a bit thicker. But do notice how this suit also consists of various plates and shapes for the shoulders, chest, etc.

 

[MacLeod]

Fair enough.

Well, I do think that the new suits are a lot different. People are too hung up by the fact that they used rubber to create make-believe armor.

But if you take a closer look at the design, it is obvious (at least to me) that the old suits have been shaped excactly like muscles, perhaps to make Batman look as muscular as he does in the comics where tights are as tight as bodypaint.

And the new suits are not designed like that at all.

Yes they do have an abdominal section build from numerous plates. Batman would not be able to move if it was one big plate. But I still think there is a huge difference.

Here is Val Kilmer:

Do you see what I mean? He is scuplted almost excactly like a human body builder. His suit doesn't just resemble muscles. It's shaped like muscles.

The new suits doesn't go for this look at all. While it's armor shaped to fit a human body, it's just not armor that is supposed to look like the guy is only wearing black bodypaint.

I think the new bat-suits are a lot closer to something like this:

But that one wouldn't stop a bullit or knife, so obviously Batman's suit is a bit thicker. But do notice how this suit also consists of various plates and shapes for the shoulders, chest, etc.

I see your points, truly I do, however the fact still remains that rubber is the only thing being used to describe anything. The only real difference, like you mentioned, is the pervious ones were made to look like human muscles and the two newer ones show a more armored look. I'm not a big fan of the uber-muscular suit but at least that makes him look human and defines him as a strong person, like the comics do. The two new ones are concerened more with the armor than anything else and that's wrong in my opinion. The armor is in fact made to resemble muscles, at least in the upper half so in sense they tried to mix the old and the new but even that's not new because Batman Returns did that look in 1992. My point is that any spin can be put on why Begins and TDK look they way they do but the fact remains that they look like armor and I don't think they should and more importantly they are still rubber based. Movable or not, protected or not, the rubber armor look is not Batman to me. If armor is truly needed than put it under a suit so it will add protection and give a muscular look. If armor has to be seen for some reason it should look more human like and not be monchromatic rubber again. And for Pete's sake can we please, just once, have a dark grey suit (rubber or cloth based) with a black symbol on it? All material based problems aside it would be nice to at least see Batman in proper colors, black mask, cape, gloves, and boots, and dark grey legs, arms, and chest.

 

[Mutagen]

You probably knew this, but onscreen it makes more sense to the audience to have the suit all black, rather than for no apparent reason, other than to please the comic book fans, to colour it grey. Personally I would have it grey where it needed to be, but to the audience, it might seem that Batman worrying too much about fashion.

Plus black's the coolest colour.

 

[Ben Reilly]

I see your points, truly I do, however the fact still remains that rubber is the only thing being used to describe anything.

I don't know what material would be better other than actual armor. But that opens a door to a lot of other practicality-issues regarding the process of actually making the movie.

No rubber = no armor.

And sure, that is a way to go. It's just not the way they went. And based on the storyline and the realistic approach I can understand their decision.

I'm not a big fan of the uber-muscular suit but at least that makes him look human and defines him as a strong person, like the comics do.

It sounds like you actually accept make-believe muscles over make-believe armor?

The two new ones are concerened more with the armor than anything else and that's wrong in my opinion.

Perhaps this is why we disagree.

I accept the armor. I think it adds to the concept and the storyline. I think they have went for a realistic approach and it would somehow be unrealistic that an otherwise clever guy would decide to fight crime without protecting himself. He doesn't use guns. He can't shoot back. And that makes him a target.

While a comic book character may choose an unrealistic approach to crimefighting I don't think any real person would. And I think they are trying to make Batman as real as possible. They are trying to make him think and act like a real person, not a comic book character.

If armor is truly needed than put it under a suit so it will add protection and give a muscular look. If armor has to be seen for some reason it should look more human like and not be monchromatic rubber again.

So you will accept armor if it is hidden or looks more human? Ok, but why would a masked crimefighter care about hiding his armor or going out of his way to change it's shape? It would have no practical purpose to go for a certain look.

I do see your points also. But I think you are asking for a different type of Batman that would also require a different type of storyline and a different type of movie all together. And while this would certainly also be a way to go, it's a bit too late by now.

So let's agree to disagree. t:

 

[Travesty]

The reason why the Begins suit is better then the TDK is simple. You either like a suit that looks more like Batman, or you like a suit that looks more like Lego Batman.

 

[MacLeod]

I don't know what material would be better other than actual armor. But that opens a door to a lot of other practicality-issues regarding the process of actually making the movie.

No rubber = no armor.

And sure, that is a way to go. It's just not the way they went. And based on the storyline and the realistic approach I can understand their decision.



It sounds like you actually accept make-believe muscles over make-believe armor?



Perhaps this is why we disagree.

I accept the armor. I think it adds to the concept and the storyline. I think they have went for a realistic approach and it would somehow be unrealistic that an otherwise clever guy would decide to fight crime without protecting himself. He doesn't use guns. He can't shoot back. And that makes him a target.

While a comic book character may choose an unrealistic approach to crimefighting I don't think any real person would. And I think they are trying to make Batman as real as possible. They are trying to make him think and act like a real person, not a comic book character.



So you will accept armor if it is hidden or looks more human? Ok, but why would a masked crimefighter care about hiding his armor or going out of his way to change it's shape? It would have no practical purpose to go for a certain look.

I do see your points also. But I think you are asking for a different type of Batman that would also require a different type of storyline and a different type of movie all together. And while this would certainly also be a way to go, it's a bit too late by now.

So let's agree to disagree. t:

Your last statement is exactly what I want. A new costume with a new storyline. This could work for the next movie though although they won't go that route. Because this wasn't thought of for the first movie is the real problem but that's beside the point. I hate these two costumes because I do think something different could have been done that would have integrated a more comic look with a protective feel. The fact that it went only with the armor look is my biggest problem.

 

[mjbull23]

The BB costume was in my estimation far and away more aesthetically pleasing.

The multiple padding seen across the torso for the tdk costume was very distracting. I also felt that the neck area of the cowl looked too long and skinny.

the Begins costume looked more menacing, more imposing.

 

[Lane & Kent]

My main problem with both the BB & TDK costume is how far they strayed away from the look of the comic book verison of the costume.

 

[ANTOINE X]

That is exactly what I`m trying to explain since day 1. but apparently some people think That Nolan is the creator of Batman. Suddenly He is the one who tells how Batman should be just because he is the director? I mean spider-man Hulk, Iron-man, Fantastic 4,Superman all look pretty much like the comics so why not Batman?

 

[Lane & Kent]

That is exactly what I`m trying to explain since day 1. but apparently some people think That Nolan is the creator of Batman. Suddenly He is the one who tells how Batman should be just because he is the director? I mean spider-man Hulk, Iron-man, Fantastic 4,Superman all look pretty much like the comics so why not Batman?

Agreed

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Nolan movies are dealing with a character that is completely human, vulnerable, yet smart and therefore are keeping with a realistic approach in general when dealing with costumes...

Not that a bit of style wouldn't be nice.

 

[MacLeod]

That is exactly what I`m trying to explain since day 1. but apparently some people think That Nolan is the creator of Batman. Suddenly He is the one who tells how Batman should be just because he is the director? I mean spider-man Hulk, Iron-man, Fantastic 4,Superman all look pretty much like the comics so why not Batman?

Exactly, agree 100%. Nolan did a decent job creating a movie but he shouldn't have strayed that far away from what Batman is just because he felt it was necessary. If Nolan was that creative he should have created a stroyline that would have fit a better looking suit, something that would be closer to what Batman actually looks like while having some protection included. The fact that nothing was done differently than the previous four movies is a big problem in my mind. All the storyline did in Begins was describe why Burton and Schumacher went with the rubber look, all Nolan did was copy the same idea, sure it's better for mobility but it's still rubber and it still doesn't look like what Batman should look like in my mind. I don't want lycra or spandex but something closer to a non-armored looking, monochromatic, rubber looking Batman can and should be created. A storyline should be created around that idea, not the other way around.