I have a question regarding the "PG-13" Regulation of the Hype

[Erzengel]

I am refering to the fact that we are getting more posters from different age groups and the board have gotten a lot bigger both in notoriety and sections, things that might have been allowed previously just don't fly anymore. Moving Forward. Change.

And I think we have more moderators than before, so in the effort of change, perhaps there can be more consistency between moderators. Perhaps, a formal rules and regulations can be posted so that they're there.

I mean the reason that PMs were started to be an offense, is that someone posted a pm that Excelsior sent them, he got upset, and was like you can't do that. Someone stated there's no rule against it. And the rest is history. I mean some rules shouldn't be enacted because of "one" moderator's personal views.

 

[Matt]

Lets not forget that we, as posters, have made this place into what it is today and will further help this site improve. Sure there are a few bad eggs in the bunch that need to be removed but when the people that have been here since the old days have either left out of anger or been banned shows that the times are a changing. For the better or for the worse? Only time will tell.

I truly do think the posters need representation in the form of a liason committee because the posters should have a fair say in matters that affect them. From a mod or admin who gets paid to patrol this site, it seems some have become too quick, crude, and unfair in eliminating those that provide opposition or different ideals. I thank the staff that does their job in keeping this place somewhat sanitary but cleansing too many things will only lead to uproar. Look at this thread

We don't get paid, Chase.

 

[Matt]

And I think we have more moderators than before, so in the effort of change, perhaps there can be more consistency between moderators. Perhaps, a formal rules and regulations can be posted so that they're there.

I mean the reason that PMs were started to be an offense, is that someone posted a pm that Excelsior sent them, he got upset, and was like you can't do that. Someone stated there's no rule against it. And the rest is history. I mean some rules shouldn't be enacted because of "one" moderator's personal views.

It doesn't matter if there is a rule in the situation you cited, if I'm not mistaken EXCELSIOR is one of the owners of the site. He can ban you simply because he doesn't like your name.

 

[Cmill216]

alright here's what should happen

if someone has made a 'questionable post', such post should and the context of the entire conversation should be transferred to some secret archive thread and the posts in that thread should be deleted.

Then some moderators should make it clear that the said user is suspended while the acusation is discussed.

The moderator should then make a non-edited draft of the conversation of all relevant posts from calm periods to heated up discussion.

The defendant should then be allowed to take a character witness for himself and also the acuser. Likewise for the acuser.

These four peeps, a mod and two innocent bystanders should get a script and jointly come to a decision as to whether or not the accused is guilty and how guilty.

Based on the level of guilt with accordance to a documented well documented hype code, should the defendant recieve their punishments. Evidence will be provided and once a day has passed to view the evidence a poll will decide the fate of the culprits

the entire case should be documented within a specific secret thread which can then be made public after the case is closed. This is to allow everyone to know how the proceedings went and know how the judgement was brought about. It will also show people the fairness of the system and how if they do similar acts, they should get punished in a similar manner. They can therefore be used as evidence to indicate how bad a act was in accordance to something else and how it should be punished accordingly.

Also moderators shouldn't have history with certain posters, a moderator can not be part of a case with the same person more than twice in a row, otherwise it should be passed on to someone else.

A complete transparent system regulated by its own board for the board (plus it makes some decent thread reading.

.....lol.

 

[Erzengel]

I thought it was just Mirko.

And if you are going to use the fallback, "this is their website, they can do whatever they want", then most of everything in this thread is for naught because it would be no longer relevant. Which also means that every poster here is just a number and pretty replaceable.

I mean Mirko and Excel seem to make so infrequent of appearances, that I think it's funny that they are the last word regarding issues, considering the only 2 options they have is believe a poster or believe moderator. I don't want to use the words "out of touch"

 

[Showtime]

And I think we have more moderators than before, so in the effort of change, perhaps there can be more consistency between moderators. Perhaps, a formal rules and regulations can be posted so that they're there.

We do have more moderators then before, because of the expansion of forums and subsections along with posters. Which I think is a good thing. It allows us to cover more ground. I really don't think you understand or can imagine the amount of conversation we have, even on the smallest of infractions, via PM and back at the home base.

We have a set of faqs and a set of rules, but like anything else, it is open to interpretation. Heck the constitution is open to intepretation. I think our goal is to be as consistent as possible, but just as the laws that govern our nation, inpretation varies. That is the reason we do talk and debate amongst each other and try to better ourselves.

When I first was modded, I could not believe the amount of communication on any and all subjects related to The Hype. I was impressed to say the least with the effort put in to try and make the right call. The problem is, no matter what, not everybody is going to think the call is fair despite an obvious break in the rules. There will always be a group of "Free Insert Poster" groupies because of bias.

I mean the reason that PMs were started to be an offense, is that someone posted a pm that Excelsior sent them, he got upset, and was like you can't do that. Someone stated there's no rule against it. And the rest is history. I mean some rules shouldn't be enacted because of "one" moderator's personal views.

I can't really comment on that because I wasn't involved nor was I around at that period in time. I think it is a good rule to enforce despite the origin. If you think about it, that is a microcosm of how most of the laws are created in any city, state, or country. Many times something has to happen before a law is brought forward.

 

[Morg]

We don't get paid, Chase.

we don't?? dammit!

 

[Showtime]

You guys don't? Ha.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Somebody challenging the nazi moderating on this board, bravo!

I prefer Totalitarian regime, If we were Nazis we'd just ban you.

And I think we have more moderators than before, so in the effort of change, perhaps there can be more consistency between moderators. Perhaps, a formal rules and regulations can be posted so that they're there.

This kind of stringent rule making you keep thinking is so easy to do Erz would lead to you being more upset b/c you and those you like would be under more scrutiny as heightened rules would go in favour of the mods who prefer harsher guidelines and no messing, so the slack that can be cut and the shortening of probations etc would be a thing of the past.

I thought it was just Mirko.

And if you are going to use the fallback, "this is their website, they can do whatever they want", then most of everything in this thread is for naught because it would be no longer relevant. Which also means that every poster here is just a number and pretty replaceable.

I mean Mirko and Excel seem to make so infrequent of appearances, that I think it's funny that they are the last word regarding issues, considering the only 2 options they have is believe a poster or believe moderator. I don't want to use the words "out of touch"

Mirko is kept in the loop, he is on here several times a day and reviews everything fully before making any calls he is required to.

 

[Erzengel]

It's more apparent now at least to me that there is more back and forth between poster and mods now than there was when I first joined.

I just keep going back to the whole "consistency" part.

Having a moderator, in Bamfer's 15 Minutes, delete my post asking Bamfer, when he lost virginity, because "he or she" determined it was too sexual or some other nonsense reason. I mean c'mon we've had entire threads about "How you lost your virignity?" or "Are you a virgin?"

It's not like I said, describe in graphic detail.

 

[Erzengel]

Mirko is kept in the loop, he is on here several times a day and reviews everything fully before making any calls he is required to.

He's kept in the loop by other moderators though.

 

[Erzengel]

This kind of stringent rule making you keep thinking is so easy to do Erz would lead to you being more upset b/c you and those you like would be under more scrutiny as heightened rules would go in favour of the mods who prefer harsher guidelines and no messing, so the slack that can be cut and the shortening of probations etc would be a thing of the past.

Is there ever any discipline or discussions of moderators who other moderators think are being too harsh or too power trippy?

 

[November Rain]

.....lol.

Well Keep your fire fighting rewardless dystopian society then...

It's your funeral

 

[Hunter Rider]

He's kept in the loop by other moderators though.

By me yes, he's a busy man, he doesn't have time to sit and mod actively, but he comes to the threads in the mod section where an issue is discussed and gets involved, I think there is enough of us giving him info for him to get the truth of the situation, we don't sit there conspiring to avert "justice".

Is there ever any discipline or discussions of moderators who other moderators think are being too harsh or too power trippy?

I am sure there are many discussions behind the scenes in PM's, Mods have been infracted as well, and things have been overturned if the group feel a bad call was made.

 

[Erzengel]

By me yes, he's a busy man, he doesn't have time to sit and mod actively, but he comes to the threads in the mod section where an issue is discussed and gets involved, I think there is enough of us giving him info for him to get the truth of the situation, we don't sit there conspiring to avert "justice".

Well there is the whole Danger Mouse thing, but I guess you can chalk that up to, by saying it's not a perfect system. Nothing is ever going to be a perfect system.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well there is the whole Danger Mouse thing, but I guess you can chalk that up to, by saying it's not a perfect system. Nothing is ever going to be a perfect system.

That was unfortunate, it was a case of "Who do you believe" and Holly's record went against her, I felt since no evidence was available when requested that it should have just been quashed as a "Mistrial" but clearly Mirko felt otherwise.

 

[chaseter]

We don't get paid, Chase.

Whether that be sex, chocolate, big macs, etc...Even though mods don't get paid doesn't change the fact eliminating opposition makes your job easier yes?

The admins get paid yes

 

[Matt]

Whether that be sex, chocolate, big macs, etc...Even though mods don't get paid doesn't change the fact eliminating opposition makes your job easier yes?

The admins get paid yes

As far as I know, no one gets paid.

 

[Cmill216]

The admins get paid yes

The only people getting paid to do what they do on this board would be Mirko and TEDDY.

 

[chaseter]

As far as I know, no one gets paid.

You better crack the whip then.

The only people getting paid to do what they do on this board would be Mirko and TEDDY.

Mirko is paid in gold and n00b slaves. TEDDY is his hype man but for some reason says his name more than this site.

 

[Showtime]

I don't get it, how come me and Bamfer get paid and not the rest?

 

[Matt]

That was unfortunate, it was a case of "Who do you believe" and Holly's record went against her, I felt since no evidence was available when requested that it should have just been quashed as a "Mistrial" but clearly Mirko felt otherwise.

There was no good way to handle the Holly situation. Though as Rob said, to an extent, she brought it on herself. Holly wasn't a model user. Do you really believe, Erz, that a moderator, no matter how reputable, would've gotten away wioth that if they tried to frame Squeekness (just to pull a name out of my ass)? Holly wasn't an innocent victim. In that situation, she seemed to be right, but was hardly innocent. Perhaps if I could count the number of times Holly has been banned on even just one hand, an investigation would've been more comprehensive...but there was no reason to take Holly's word over DM's, and by the time the situation began to stink, it was too late.

 

[Cmill216]

I don't get it, how come me and Bamfer get paid and not the rest?

It's not really a salary.

It's more like pity payment. Kind of like how dudes sitting outside of office buildings playing Beatles songs on guitar have tip hats. Every time you infract someone, we throw you guys a dime in the 'ol PayPal account.

 

[Erzengel]

2 wrongs don't make a right Matt. I understand that Holly was never a model poster, I agree, but that still doesn't justify what happened to her. I don't care how many times she was banned. Danger Mouse could not replicate any evidence, it should have never of went that far.

 

[Showtime]

It's not really a salary.

It's more like pity payment. Kind of like how dudes sitting outside of office buildings playing Beatles songs on guitar have tip hats. Every time you infract someone, we throw you guys a dime in the 'ol PayPal account.

I appreciate it. I bought a used NES game with it.