How different will Spidey 3 look from previous movies?

[Cinemaman]

cinemaman, i think you're views are somewhat quite a way out from mine on your renditions of both films.

saying this, i don't feel this film is going to be any lighter or darker than the previous two, the only difference is that the 'darker' aspects are going to be focussed on pete instead of norman or ock, giving an impression of a greater darkness. Sandman doesn't look that dark and if harry's motivations are what i think they are going to be like, then he's not necessarily going to be that dark either, even venom will be looking for simple revenge.

all in all, the film will carry the same feel as the other two, if not.


I just have a really hard time with you thinking the green goblin had too muh screen time and you're happy with what ock got, it just boggles the mind, how can any villain ever have too much screen time, they MAKE the story.

Can you remember that mistake, which did Burton making B89 and BR?

He gave too much time and too much atention to villians making them much more intersting than the main character.

The same did Raimi with 1st movie, but the only difference is that Raimi was using STM as example of how he sees Spidey 1. So that is why he at first told more about Peter and then went with GG.

In SPidey 2, there is another story. Raimi made Ock to look very effective and it worked. And this time, he used more screen time to show the development of Pete.

Now, I want Spidey 3 to tell something about Pete, that we didn't see before in previous movies - show his dark side.

BTW, Venom must look very creepy

 

[JayKay]

Can you remember that mistake, which did Burton making B89 and BR?

He gave too much time and too much atention to villians making them much more intersting than the main character.

The same did Raimi with 1st movie, but the only difference is that Raimi was using STM as example of how he sees Spidey 1. So that is why he at first told more about Peter and then went with GG.

I think Spider-Man 1 had a good balance, nothing like the Burton movies.

In SPidey 2, there is another story. Raimi made Ock to look very effective and it worked. And this time, he used more screen time to show the development of Pete.

I disagree. There were many scenes that Doc Ock should have been in instead of Peter.

Now, I want Spidey 3 to tell something about Pete, that we didn't see before in previous movies - show his dark side.

BTW, Venom must look very creepy

With more characters than ever, I think Spider-Man 3 will be a much better paced movie. No more useless scenes.

 

[Red]

The one glaring flaw of the Spidey movies is too much focus on the romance between Peter and MJ. It seems to be the focal point of Peter's entire existence.

With triple the villains, and Gwen being introduced, hopefully there will be less focus on MJ in this one.

BINGO!

 

[The Joker]

6. No crying Venom at the end (like GG and Ock were).

This is hilarious.

We've seen Brock sobbing like a little girl to god in church about what a loser he's become, and here are people claiming that Ock and GG cried in their movies.

Neither of them shed a single tear.

9. More logic in action scenes (for example it didn't happen with Ock; there was no logical motive, only another bank robbery for getting money).

What does this mean??

Logic in the action scenes?? Norman attacked the Unity festival to kill the Oscorp board members. He attacked the bridge to put Spidey in the awkward position of choosing between MJ and some innocent kids.

Ock robbed the bank to get money for the fusion reactor parts. He arranged to meet Spidey on the clock tower so he could take him out. It was by pure accident that he and Spidey landed on the train.

What more logic do you want here??

I disagree. There were many scenes that Doc Ock should have been in instead of Peter.

Agreed.

Which is why you can bet one or more of the villains in SM-3 will suffer screen time wise too. Most likely Venom.

 

[Red]

For me;

1. Less love story, unlikely with Gwen being around however
2. Longer action scenes.
3. Harry needs more attention storywise, again unlikely with Veno, Sandman and the Staceys.
4. Quips

 

[JayKay]

Agreed.

Which is why you can bet one or more of the villains in SM-3 will suffer screen time wise too. Most likely Venom.

Venom is only supposed to get 10 minutes of screen time supposedly. He need a movie to himself IMO. He would've been the perfect villain to start off a new trilogy in Spider-Man 4, with a new director.

 

[Cinemaman]

I think Spider-Man 1 had a good balance, nothing like the Burton movies.

I disagree. There were many scenes that Doc Ock should have been in instead of Peter.

With more characters than ever, I think Spider-Man 3 will be a much better paced movie. No more useless scenes.

Not so good. the best example at nowadays is STM.

Which exactly? As I know Raimi should have made Pete as more intersting character than his villians.

Hope so.

 

[Cinemaman]

BINGO!

That's what I say.

There should be more told about Pete trying balance his light and dark side as both himself and Spider-man.

 

[Cinemaman]

Venom is only supposed to get 10 minutes of screen time supposedly. He need a movie to himself IMO. He would've been the perfect villain to start off a new trilogy in Spider-Man 4, with a new director.

No new directors!!! They kill the franchise (Batman, Siperman, X-Men).

I don't want 4,5 and 6 movies to ever happen, but if it is so, then I think Raimi should stay as the director.

But I would like this one to be last and then to see re-start in 10-15 years.

 

[Cinemaman]

This is hilarious.

We've seen Brock sobbing like a little girl to god in church about what a loser he's become, and here are people claiming that Ock and GG cried in their movies.

Neither of them shed a single tear.



What does this mean??

Logic in the action scenes?? Norman attacked the Unity festival to kill the Oscorp board members. He attacked the bridge to put Spidey in the awkward position of choosing between MJ and some innocent kids.

Ock robbed the bank to get money for the fusion reactor parts. He arranged to meet Spidey on the clock tower so he could take him out. It was by pure accident that he and Spidey landed on the train.

What more logic do you want here??



Agreed.

Which is why you can bet one or more of the villains in SM-3 will suffer screen time wise too. Most likely Venom.

Well, actually this scene was with Brock (not Venom) and I loved what I saw (Grace looked perfect).

I just don't want to see the same at the end, when Venom dies.

Actually I was talking about Spidey 2, not Spidey 1.

And Ock could do this very any another way. I just wanted Raimi to show new motive for villian to do some harm.

I think BB would be good example there. It fit in itself 3 villians and did it very well (even if none of villians had much screen time).

 

[The Joker]

Well, actually this scene was with Brock (not Venom) and I loved what I saw (Grace looked perfect).

Brock, Venom, still the same person. He sobbed his heart out.

Neither Osborn or Octavius cried. Sure, they showed some humanity. But there's nothing wrong with that. Their characters in the movies were essentially good men turned bad by their own creations. Norman turned nuts due to his performance enhancers, and Octavius was misguided by his mechanical tentacles.

I just don't want to see the same at the end, when Venom dies.

Doubt you will. They'll save that for Sandman and Harry. Sandman is doing all this for his little girl it seems.

Actually I was talking about Spidey 2, not Spidey 1.

Regarding what??

And Ock could do this very any another way. I just wanted Raimi to show new motive for villian to do some harm.

Do what another way??

And GG and Ock's motives were entirely different. Norman wanted to get his company back, and then he developed a wierd obsession with Spidey.

Ock was out to rebuild his reactor at ANY cost.

Different motivations entirely. Different fight scenes. Different, different, different.

I think BB would be good example there. It fit in itself 3 villians and did it very well (even if none of villians had much screen time).

Except the Scarecrow was horribly underused and under developed.

 

[November Rain]

Can you remember that mistake, which did Burton making B89 and BR?

He gave too much time and too much atention to villians making them much more intersting than the main character.

The same did Raimi with 1st movie, but the only difference is that Raimi was using STM as example of how he sees Spidey 1. So that is why he at first told more about Peter and then went with GG.

In SPidey 2, there is another story. Raimi made Ock to look very effective and it worked. And this time, he used more screen time to show the development of Pete.

Now, I want Spidey 3 to tell something about Pete, that we didn't see before in previous movies - show his dark side.

BTW, Venom must look very creepy

it seems we are definitely on different sides of the fence when it comes to what makes a superhero film interesting when it comes to villain roles.

nevermind

 

[Cinemaman]

it seems we are definitely on different sides of the fence when it comes to what makes a superhero film interesting when it comes to villain roles.

nevermind

Well... We are still friends

 

[Cinemaman]

Brock, Venom, still the same person. He sobbed his heart out.

Neither Osborn or Octavius cried. Sure, they showed some humanity. But there's nothing wrong with that. Their characters in the movies were essentially good men turned bad by their own creations. Norman turned nuts due to his performance enhancers, and Octavius was misguided by his mechanical tentacles.



Doubt you will. They'll save that for Sandman and Harry. Sandman is doing all this for his little girl it seems.



Regarding what??



Do what another way??

And GG and Ock's motives were entirely different. Norman wanted to get his company back, and then he developed a wierd obsession with Spidey.

Ock was out to rebuild his reactor at ANY cost.

Different motivations entirely. Different fight scenes. Different, different, different.



Except the Scarecrow was horribly underused and under developed.

Still, he will do this before he turns into Venom.

Yeah I know. But this time I want bad guy getting powers (Brock isn't bad, but he isn't also nice guy).

Hope so.

Talking about logic in action scenes.

Uhhh... I am not trying to compare their motives. I just wanted to see new motive in Spidey 2 (usual supervillian does bank robbery to get money).

Doing his machine. He could just looked for some details in different labs (though bank robbery sequence looked great).

Can't agree there. Scarecrow wasn't under used for me, and Nolan also developed him a bit (Crane totaly turned into Scarecrow in final action sequences; when he said that he was no more rane, but Scarecrow).

 

[The Joker]

Still, he will do this before he turns into Venom.

Well, don't totally disregard it happening

Yeah I know. But this time I want bad guy getting powers (Brock isn't bad, but he isn't also nice guy).

Yeah, in the comics Osborn and Octavius were ass holes too prior to their accidents. But Raimi likes to make them nice and relatable to Peter.

Talking about logic in action scenes.

There was nothing wrong with the logic in SM-2's action scenes.

Uhhh... I am not trying to compare their motives. I just wanted to see new motive in Spidey 2 (usual supervillian does bank robbery to get money).

Usual??

When have we seen a super villain rob a bank like that in any of the superhero movies??

Doing his machine. He could just looked for some details in different labs (though bank robbery sequence looked great).

From the crates in the warehouse, it looks like he had to order the parts from somewhere. Hence why he needed the money.

Not to mention it would be more time effective for him to just get all the parts in one go, rather than hunting down various labs looking for them.

The bank robbery was perfect. Lots of civilians there. He took Aunt May hostage. And we got a spectacular building wall fight too. Now that was unique. They really used Ock's powers to the fight scenes advantage. Unlike GG, where we got no aerial battles between him and Spidey.

Can't agree there. Scarecrow wasn't under used for me, and Nolan also developed him a bit (Crane totaly turned into Scarecrow in final action sequences; when he said that he was no more rane, but Scarecrow).

In total, he had less than 10 minutes screen time. Why was he doing what he was doing?? What made him turn out the way he did??

He was just pawned off on us as a psycho doctor. We didn't even get the proper Scarecrow costume.

 

[Cmill216]

Whoever said something about the pacing was dead on the money. I expect the film to flow through its storylines much more swiftly this time around, especially with so much more going on.

I expect the action sequences to be more intense, considering how much has been built up (with Harry), the effects and level of creativity present (with Sandman), and the "moment" when Venom and Spidey clash (...Venom).

With MJ now his, there's no constant pining for her like before, so that whole element is gone. Now, even if there is a lot of MJ/Pete shiznit (which I doubt), it's going to be more of a real, adult relationship instead of "love me/love me not" Smallville-esque puppy dog yippity-yap.

I think it's going to be an amazing film. But we already knew that, right?

 

[Cinemaman]

Well, don't totally disregard it happening



Yeah, in the comics Osborn and Octavius were ass holes too prior to their accidents. But Raimi likes to make them nice and relatable to Peter.



There was nothing wrong with the logic in SM-2's action scenes.



Usual??

When have we seen a super villain rob a bank like that in any of the superhero movies??



From the crates in the warehouse, it looks like he had to order the parts from somewhere. Hence why he needed the money.

Not to mention it would be more time effective for him to just get all the parts in one go, rather than hunting down various labs looking for them.

The bank robbery was perfect. Lots of civilians there. He took Aunt May hostage. And we got a spectacular building wall fight too. Now that was unique. They really used Ock's powers to the fight scenes advantage. Unlike GG, where we got no aerial battles between him and Spidey.



In total, he had less than 10 minutes screen time. Why was he doing what he was doing?? What made him turn out the way he did??

He was just pawned off on us as a psycho doctor. We didn't even get the proper Scarecrow costume.

I hope this time, it won't happen with Brock. Raimi really likes to do it, but it wouldn't work with every new Sidey's villian.

Yeah I know. But I wanted to see more logical motive for bank robbery.

Look, just explain me why did Ock need to rob bank and then, I will explain my point of view.

Yeah, it looked great, but what was exact motive for Ock to do it (bank robbery)?

He had very useful role. He was working on Ras and he made this fear gas, which would kill all people in Gotham (what Ras needed).

Why we need Scarecrow's suit? It would look campy (just like GG's). Just look at Ock, he didn't have his one and this still worked.

Crane was smart bad guy, who turned himself into the ghost.

 

[JayKay]

Yeah, it looked great, but what was exact motive for Ock to do it (bank robbery)?

Ock needed the money to get the parts for his experiment.

Why we need Scarecrow's suit? It would look campy (just like GG's). Just look at Ock, he didn't have his one and this still worked.

Ock doesn't have a set costume in the comics. He wears jumpsuits, armani and trenchcoats. Raimi decided to go with the trenchcoat. The only stable part of Ock's costume are the tentacles and his sunglasses.

 

[Cmill216]

JayKay, you a Jamiroquai fan?

 

[JayKay]

No new directors!!! They kill the franchise (Batman, Siperman, X-Men).

What about James Bond?

I don't want 4,5 and 6 movies to ever happen, but if it is so, then I think Raimi should stay as the director.

But I would like this one to be last and then to see re-start in 10-15 years.

Don't count on it. If Raimi leaves after this one, Sony will be on the lookout for a new director. I am interested to see what a new director would do.

 

[JayKay]

JayKay, you a Jamiroquai fan?

No Why do you ask?

 

[Cinemaman]

Ock needed the money to get the parts for his experiment.
Ock doesn't have a set costume in the comics. He wears jumpsuits, armani and trenchcoats. Raimi decided to go with the trenchcoat. The only stable part of Ock's costume are the tentacles and his sunglasses.

Why? He could just find and get them. Who would sale these details to guy with 4 tentacles and plan how to destroy the world?

Well, Scarecrow also have different suits.

 

[Cmill216]

No Why do you ask?

Nevermind then.

 

[Cinemaman]

What about James Bond?

Don't count on it. If Raimi leaves after this one, Sony will be on the lookout for a new director. I am interested to see what a new director would do.

JB is exactly franchise like Harry Potter. And BTW, at nowadays only first JB movies looked good (except Golden Eye).

Me not.

 

[JayKay]

Why? He could just find and get them. Who would sale these details to guy with 4 tentacles and plan how to destroy the world?

Does this really need to be explained? Ock can hide his tentacles, you see him do it at the start of the bank scene. So the retailer wouldn't be selling the parts to a guy with 4 tentacles. As for his plan, Ock doesn't have to tell the retailer what his plan is.