I think Supes is immortal

Whirlysplat said:
:) lol, you don't?



:) It's a secret from another time and place my friend :)

- Whirly

Yes i've already had the question, question (Sorry) about the Simleys .... they don't seem to be as popular round here Whirls :)
 
yahman said:
Yes i've already had the question, question (Sorry) about the Simleys .... they don't seem to be as popular round here Whirls :)

Nope, not the way you were using them old buddy, lol. ;) It amused me though.

- Whirly
 
I can't see how it would bother anyway, its just a little picture. I just wondered why the hell you ended every post with it.

Anyway as far as I am aware Superman does indeed still need to breathe, his training with mongul increased his lung capacity. I dont think it negated the need for oxygen
 
Guyverjay said:
I can't see how it would bother anyway, its just a little picture. I just wondered why the hell you ended every post with it.

Anyway as far as I am aware Superman does indeed still need to breathe, his training with mongul increased his lung capacity. I dont think it negated the need for oxygen

No the need for Oxygen was negated a little while after that.

In reponse to the smileys it's a joke between a few members of another forum which woulf mean little unless you had been a member there at the time GJ.

- Whirly
 
Guyverjay said:
I can't see how it would bother anyway, its just a little picture. I just wondered why the hell you ended every post with it.

Anyway as far as I am aware Superman does indeed still need to breathe, his training with mongul increased his lung capacity. I dont think it negated the need for oxygen

I have a scan somewhere with Mongul stating that he had taught Supes to breathe in Space. To be fair the same scan has Mongul self propelling himself through space with no explanaition for this, other than the release of Gas from his ass. Its says a lot about the writing during the 90's. :)
 
yahman said:
I have a scan somewhere with Mongul stating that he had taught Supes to breathe in Space. To be fair the same scan has Mongul self propelling himself through space with no explanaition for this, other than the release of Gas from his ass. Its says a lot about the writing during the 90's. :)

:lol: :up:

- Whirly
 
I have a scan that takes place AFTER owaw that shows supes using an oxygen mask. I remember supes training underwater with mongul jr, when Aquaman asks if kal needed help, supes explains that he working on increasing his lung capacity. If you could tell me the issue where its revealed supes no longer needs to breathe, that would be great. I have no recollection of it:confused:
 
Guyverjay said:
I have a scan that takes place AFTER owaw that shows supes using an oxygen mask. I remember supes training underwater with mongul jr, when Aquaman asks if kal needed help, supes explains that he working on increasing his lung capacity. If you could tell me the issue where its revealed supes no longer needs to breathe, that would be great. I have no recollection of it:confused:

I don't actually own the issue but i do have a scan somewhere .... If i can't find it, go onto the KMc forum and look for the Superman respect thread, The scan is definitely on there. Its probably been retconned out though .... :)
 
The scan doesn't work:o


Mine does though
555fh.jpg
 
hmm

for staters

IMG_1236.jpg


apparently he does

heartbeat?
wtf?
 
next pick up a little title called

"Critical Countdown"

deathstroke poisons superman with krytonite and he'll DIE unless his pal go inside him and save him
(the atom, steel, superboy, supergirl)

there you see all his innerworkings
including living breathing, tho very advanced and extremely efficient yet still reliant organs

good day
 
ion can do anything


and last i checked
magic is a form of energy
 
Marvin said:
ion can do anything


and last i checked
magic is a form of energy

Everything and anything composed of the material is energy .... :)
 
Guyverjay said:
The scan doesn't work:o


Mine does though
555fh.jpg

I found this excellent timeline elswhere in regards to breathing in space :)

It all began with Superman #82, where the Eradicator - in order to save Kal-El from the fatal kryptonite ray fired by the Cyborg - absorbed it, channeling the energy in a different way. This resulted in Clark regaining his powers (that energy has been called by Professor Hamilton "Kryptonite X"), and eventually, it gave his abilities a power boost.

Then, Superman noted that his super-powers began to increase, most precisely in Man Of Steel #30 (Feb. 94), where he knocked out Lobo with only one blow. In this issue, he also, discovered that he was faster than a space ship and did not need an oxygen mask in order to stay in space for a long period of time.

All these changes led to a saga in which Superman had grown "too-powerful" and become a danger to earth's people. Ultimately, the Parasite (in Action Comics #699) absorbed Superman's excess energy, allowing him to be normal again. At this point it is not clear if the Parasite reduced Superman's powers to their normal levels (as established by John Byrne) or if Parasite only depowered him to the level he was at just before his abilities went out of control (Man of Steel #30).-

In the letter-column of Superman #0 (October 94), DC said that Superman "was simply depowered to the level he was at just before his abilities went out of control, so he is able to travel in space...and that is a good power level for us and for you, superfans, too".-

So, at this point, there is no problem. Superman is more powerful and the Parasite absorbed only the excess energy that was making him a danger. He remained at the power-level introduced in Man Of Steel #30: He could fly at the speed of light -or faster, was stronger and more invulnerable, and he could stay in space for days or weeks without needing oxygen.

In the limited series "Hunter & Prey" in 1994, where Superman battled Doomsday for a second time, he said to Maxima (issue 1) that he could travel in space easily. In issue 2 - in a fight against the Cyborg - he states that he was stronger, and knocked out the villain with a blast of heat-vision, the beams of which were depicted bigger than before.

In the saga of "The Trial" (mid 1995), Mope and Leeya (two aliens) purchased a special vehicle to travel in space, and Superman said he did not need one, and flew the interplanetary distances under his own power. But, however, he needed to use an oxygen mask.

Here it is not clearly stated if he used the mask in order to survive or if he only used it to maintain communication with his partners in the vacuum of space. I think, however, that he only used it, so that he could speak to Mope & others. In Superman #108,(part of the same storyline), Superman -in order to save Mope, who was put in a rocket traveling at hyperspace to Krypton by the tribunal- follows the rocket at a same speed (see page 19), but could not save him.


Once again, we notice that he is more powerful than before, at the level DC referred to in the previously mentioned letter-column. Then, in Superman #112, Kal flies all the way to Mars with no need of oxygen mask.

continuity error time The real mess began in Man of Steel #66 (April 97) where Superman says: "I don't have time to rush home for my breathing mask...I can hold my breathe for an hour, maybe more if I have to." What's going on here? A few issues before he says that he can travel in space with no need of oxygen, follows a rocket that travels through "hyperspace" with no problem, but now he needs an oxygen mask? It is not clear.

or

During that year, a reader postulated that this was because Superman lost his powers during the "Final Night" saga. When he regained them in Man Of Steel #64, it was at their basic levels, because the Eradicator's extra energy (Superman 82) dissipated when Superman lost his abilities.-

Are you still with me? I know it may be difficult, but all I want to say is, why mess around when a clear power limit was established by previous editors and writers? If you change Superman's powers in order to make him more or less powerful, at least do it in a clear way.

And finally, I noticed that ever since Superman regained his original powers in March 1998 (remember the energy-based Superman? Awful, really), he is - without a doubt - much more powerful than before.

But, this time, the team of writers explained very well why Superman does not need to breathe in space. Namely, Mongul Jr. trained him how to overcome the lack of oxygen and said that Superman's own conscience imposes limits on his super-abilities.

In conclusion, Superman is now, without a doubt, more powerful. He's not exactly as powerful as he was Pre-Crisis, but he's very close. For example:

1) In Superman #167, he moves Krypton (with help of several of Jor-El's machines, however).

2) In Superman #171, he travels in deep space without an oxygen mask.

3) In Action Comics #782, he moves Warworld all by himself.

4) In the "Infestation Saga" we finally see him with an oxygen mask in space, but he used it only after spending a week in space (not two hours like before) (see Man of Steel 113, page 8, panel 4).

I think it clears everything up to everyone satisfaction, yes he needs to breathe, maybe 52 breaths a year. ;) It also answers it he can move planets at present.

- Whirly
 
I think at one point, Superman's body started absorbing all forms of energy not just yellow sun. It was after he was ressurected and he was hit by radiation from the Eradicator. It altered his physiology somehow and made him insanely strong/powerful.

It also made him not need to breathe or eat and he travelled in space without an oxygen mask for awhile after he accidentally chased a ship across the galaxy.
 
Whirlysplat said:
I found this excellent timeline elswhere in regards to breathing in space :)

It all began with Superman #82, where the Eradicator - in order to save Kal-El from the fatal kryptonite ray fired by the Cyborg - absorbed it, channeling the energy in a different way. This resulted in Clark regaining his powers (that energy has been called by Professor Hamilton "Kryptonite X"), and eventually, it gave his abilities a power boost.

Then, Superman noted that his super-powers began to increase, most precisely in Man Of Steel #30 (Feb. 94), where he knocked out Lobo with only one blow. In this issue, he also, discovered that he was faster than a space ship and did not need an oxygen mask in order to stay in space for a long period of time.

All these changes led to a saga in which Superman had grown "too-powerful" and become a danger to earth's people. Ultimately, the Parasite (in Action Comics #699) absorbed Superman's excess energy, allowing him to be normal again. At this point it is not clear if the Parasite reduced Superman's powers to their normal levels (as established by John Byrne) or if Parasite only depowered him to the level he was at just before his abilities went out of control (Man of Steel #30).-

In the letter-column of Superman #0 (October 94), DC said that Superman "was simply depowered to the level he was at just before his abilities went out of control, so he is able to travel in space...and that is a good power level for us and for you, superfans, too".-

So, at this point, there is no problem. Superman is more powerful and the Parasite absorbed only the excess energy that was making him a danger. He remained at the power-level introduced in Man Of Steel #30: He could fly at the speed of light -or faster, was stronger and more invulnerable, and he could stay in space for days or weeks without needing oxygen.

In the limited series "Hunter & Prey" in 1994, where Superman battled Doomsday for a second time, he said to Maxima (issue 1) that he could travel in space easily. In issue 2 - in a fight against the Cyborg - he states that he was stronger, and knocked out the villain with a blast of heat-vision, the beams of which were depicted bigger than before.

In the saga of "The Trial" (mid 1995), Mope and Leeya (two aliens) purchased a special vehicle to travel in space, and Superman said he did not need one, and flew the interplanetary distances under his own power. But, however, he needed to use an oxygen mask.

Here it is not clearly stated if he used the mask in order to survive or if he only used it to maintain communication with his partners in the vacuum of space. I think, however, that he only used it, so that he could speak to Mope & others. In Superman #108,(part of the same storyline), Superman -in order to save Mope, who was put in a rocket traveling at hyperspace to Krypton by the tribunal- follows the rocket at a same speed (see page 19), but could not save him.


Once again, we notice that he is more powerful than before, at the level DC referred to in the previously mentioned letter-column. Then, in Superman #112, Kal flies all the way to Mars with no need of oxygen mask.

continuity error time The real mess began in Man of Steel #66 (April 97) where Superman says: "I don't have time to rush home for my breathing mask...I can hold my breathe for an hour, maybe more if I have to." What's going on here? A few issues before he says that he can travel in space with no need of oxygen, follows a rocket that travels through "hyperspace" with no problem, but now he needs an oxygen mask? It is not clear.

or

During that year, a reader postulated that this was because Superman lost his powers during the "Final Night" saga. When he regained them in Man Of Steel #64, it was at their basic levels, because the Eradicator's extra energy (Superman 82) dissipated when Superman lost his abilities.-

Are you still with me? I know it may be difficult, but all I want to say is, why mess around when a clear power limit was established by previous editors and writers? If you change Superman's powers in order to make him more or less powerful, at least do it in a clear way.

And finally, I noticed that ever since Superman regained his original powers in March 1998 (remember the energy-based Superman? Awful, really), he is - without a doubt - much more powerful than before.

But, this time, the team of writers explained very well why Superman does not need to breathe in space. Namely, Mongul Jr. trained him how to overcome the lack of oxygen and said that Superman's own conscience imposes limits on his super-abilities.

In conclusion, Superman is now, without a doubt, more powerful. He's not exactly as powerful as he was Pre-Crisis, but he's very close. For example:

1) In Superman #167, he moves Krypton (with help of several of Jor-El's machines, however).

2) In Superman #171, he travels in deep space without an oxygen mask.

3) In Action Comics #782, he moves Warworld all by himself.

4) In the "Infestation Saga" we finally see him with an oxygen mask in space, but he used it only after spending a week in space (not two hours like before) (see Man of Steel 113, page 8, panel 4).

I think it clears everything up to everyone satisfaction, yes he needs to breathe, maybe 52 breaths a year. ;) It also answers it he can move planets at present.

- Whirly

I've already been to that page:up:

http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing43/feature2.shtml

As said he still needs to breathe

Though I think they are assuming too much, just because he mentioned being in space for a week doesn't mean that he went without oxygen for a week. He could have put on the mask after 3 days for all we know:o

I don't see how it answers he can move planets either, I've yet to see him move an actual planet under his own normal power:confused:
 
Guyverjay said:
I've already been to that page:up:

http://www.fanzing.com/mag/fanzing43/feature2.shtml

As said he still needs to breathe

It appears he does although some writers write him as though he doesn't that is clear from the synopsis.

Guyverjay said:
Though I think they are assuming too much, just because he mentioned being in space for a week doesn't mean that he went without oxygen for a week. He could have put on the mask after 3 days for all we know:o

Agreed

Guyverjay said:
I don't see how it answers he can move planets either, I've yet to see him move an actual planet under his own normal power:confused:

He moved Warworld Sundipped, although perhaps a better example woould be smashing the whole in Saturns moon at much faster than light speeds after Luthor was elected. 4 minutes to Saturn and back insane Superspeed.

know you're a DB fan as am I, what do you make of this thread from another forum.


GJ I Here's ssj2 Goku struggling to push a moutain apart, something Superman was doing ten years ago.

http://myfavoritegames.com/dragonba.../VideoClips.htm

Here's Superman's feats.

Supes is using his Heat Vision to get the foe off of him.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5001/supes8cz.jpg

Supes shoots a beam of low-intensity Heat Vision at the Moon. People in the watch tower was blinded except for Plastic Man cause sense he had shades on. The Moon is very far from Earth, this shows the range Supes Heat Vision has.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision24vv.jpg

In this pic it shows that Supes Heat Vision stated by them, "his vision is off the charts by any standard scientific measures". They can measure how hot a star is, but they cannot measure the temp of Supermans Heat Vision.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision30nk.jpg

In this pic his power is waning under a red sun, but he still summoned enough Heat Vision to successfully power Jor-ELs planet-moving ion engines. The in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...tvision17gy.jpg

In this pic, Superman is flying by the sun to stop the Cannabal planet from destroying the sun. This also prove that Supes is able to blow up a planet aswell. He also heated up a plaent with his Heat Vision before too.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...eatvison2np.jpg

Superman calculating the guys melting point. Wich also shows how much he holds back with his Heat Vision, to keep from killing his foes.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...124926pm7ji.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/...125029pm5zg.jpg

Supes just spraying this guy with Heat Vision. If he wanted to, he could kill Goku easily with Heat Vision, without even letting him even breath.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1535/0822311an.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1271/0822323nz.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3776/0822338uf.jpg

Superman can also blind his opponent or just lobotimize his foe with Heat Vision. If he was fighting to kill without holding back there's no telling what he'll do.

Here's proof that Supes is light speed, and is far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

Superman catching bullets with little effort. This is something the DBZ/Gt characters can do also though.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...050314pm5fl.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...gbullets2ww.jpg

Here's Superman reading at high speeds (something Goku or any of the DBZ/GT characters ever done).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...erman1451ba.jpg

Superman fighting at high speeds.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...115613am7bx.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/...124311pm3un.jpg

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9203/pics0017bn.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...20mongul202.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...ndmongul8pr.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating (phasing) his body so fast that hes going right through Doomsday Lightning/Fire Breath. This is proof that hes far faster than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...rmanfast3ar.jpg

Here's Superman vibrating his body invisible now, something they also can't do either.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...visible44zc.jpg

Here's Superman calculating how fast to go on Earths Surface in populated areas. He also plug Lois them ears with cotton while he flew through.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9101/0869a916yt.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...052719pm2ys.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...052832pm2wo.jpg

Lois asks Superman for Champagne from another contry, and by the time she finishes her short sentence, Supes already got it, and has been waiting for a while.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...upespeed6kt.jpg

Superman traveling at high speeds in space.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...ssagain37xc.jpg

Superman heres GL (Kyle) about a million miles away from Earth in bed, and he gets there in seconds.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...054558pm3oy.jpg

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/...054722pm5jq.jpg

Here's Superman taking Darksied to the sun in seconds. It takes light 8 minutes to get from Earth to the Sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...edbeaten7sq.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...dbeaten25ph.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...13pg08097cu.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...an13pg109es.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...an13pg114cl.jpg

Superman is far stronger too, as is always holding back. Superman hits Lobo from Earth into orbit, Lobo stats that if he doesn't stop himself that he'll spend the next century obitting around the planet.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...upeslobo0uo.jpg

Superman and G. Zod blows are so devastating that they are creating earthquakes and the planet is falling apart. And he was still holding back while fighting under a red sun.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/...032341pm7oo.jpg

Here's Supes when hes done pulling his punches.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3613/cy14oq.jpg

Here's Superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand for a while.
Which makes him far stronger than than Goku.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...khole0015ak.jpg

Here's Superman taking several particle beams.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/60/09122118lq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability55et.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3443/09131329ai.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability20ki.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability35ln.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9263/211117fk.jpg

Superman taking a blast equal to a million nuclear blasts.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/850/0822346hj.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...121910pm8yp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6301/089054127na.jpg

Superman surviving the destruction of a sun eater at ground zero. The sun eater is an enormously energetic cloud that literally eats both the energy and mass of whole stars. The sun eater was considerably larger than a star, had been in existence for millenia and had consumed the energy of many stars by travelling from galaxy to galaxy. Which proves that he's far more durable than any DBZ/GT character.

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080012pm3uo.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...080419pm3ri.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability49cp.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/...ability11pn.jpg

Here's Superman actually escaping a double black hole (which beats every feat ssj3/4 Goku or any DBZ/GT character has ever done), this proves his strength, speed, and durability.

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led128qt3bk.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led138wy8fy.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led140kt3ew.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led152oe8eq.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/...led166ov4wo.jpg

Superman has ssj3/4 Goku in strength, speed, durability, and stamina. Goku loses.

[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I saw someone mention Supes can't survive a nuke?

Here is supes surviving an island destroying nuke at ground zero WHILE laying in kryptonite AND weakened from fighting multiple enemies for days. He comes out unfazed.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...d/supesnuke.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1.../supesnuke2.jpg[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Supes catching a moon sized ship in travel and tossing it casually...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y1...d/moonmover.jpg [/QUOTE]

- Whirly
 
bulok said:
I think at one point, Superman's body started absorbing all forms of energy not just yellow sun. It was after he was ressurected and he was hit by radiation from the Eradicator. It altered his physiology somehow and made him insanely strong/powerful.

It also made him not need to breathe or eat and he travelled in space without an oxygen mask for awhile after he accidentally chased a ship across the galaxy.

This would explain a heck of a lot, especially drastically over powered abilities. Its also partially confirmed in the JLA arc; WW3, when he absorbs the anti Sun of the mahgeddon machinery.

Like Apollo from Authority, he may not have to breathe. He doesn't respire as he attains his energy from radiation and therefore the mopping up properties of oxygen (e.g. to pick up the Hydrogen ions from reduced NAD and FAD) are not needed. After all he has meta kAtp which is propably is phosphorylated by exotic means. Maybe's he just unaware of this process, and like the appendix, his respiratory system is product of evolution that no longer functions :)
 

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