I think Supes is immortal

[Whirlysplat]

Except, he has shown to be in need of food to survive. Simply not as much as we do. One Million is the only contradiction of that I've ever seen.

So there we are he doesn't need to eat.

The Science of Superman lol, Wolvertons book had so many contaradictions to the comics it was pulled and is now out of print, how Stern allowed his name on it i'll never know, he did a bigger version I believe which tried to rectify things, which I have not read. The powers in Wolvertons were far less Super than Supes as I remember. I will look for a review.

Edited with review found, I thought this was another place that reffered to the psionic element and I was right.

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Somewhat Interesting, November 6, 2003
Reviewer: Gary Riley (Webster, TX United States) - See all my reviews
Yes, the title of the book is an oxymoron. In spite of this, the author does a fairly good job of examining Superman's powers from a scientific view. I found the background material a bit more interesting than the explanations of the superpowers, primarily because the explanations gave Superman powers far less super than those he has in the comics. Still, there were a few interesting observations, such as that in order to pick up an object such as a large ship, Superman must not only have the strength to lift the ship, but must also have some power which prevents the ship's mass from breaking it in two. I found the explanation of Kryptonite to be particularly disappointing: it's dangerous to Superman, but even more so to Earthlings. Overall, if you're a comic fan you'll probably enjoy reading the book, but it didn't turn out to be as interesting as I thought it would.

As Yahman and I keep stating real Science doesn't work for Supes lol.


- Whirly

 

[The Question]

So there we are he doesn't need to eat.

Everywhere besides One Million has shown that he does need to eat. Really, if he didn't need to eat, then he wouldn't have a stomach, and thus wouldn't be able to eat at all.

The Science of Superman lol, Wolvertons book had so many contaradictions to the comics it was pulled and is now out of print, how Stern allowed his name on it i'll never know, he did a bigger version I believe which tried to rectify things, which I have not read. The powers in Wolvertons were far less Super than Supes as I remember. I will look for a review.

Of course, the scale represented in the Science of Superman was less than his more powerful portrayals in the comics. But that doesn't mean his powers are completely impossible, and alot of the stuff said in Science of Superman can still be applied to the comics.

Edited with review found, I thought this was another place that reffered to the psionic element and I was right.

of 1 people found the following review helpful:

Somewhat Interesting, November 6, 2003
Reviewer: Gary Riley (Webster, TX United States) - See all my reviews
Yes, the title of the book is an oxymoron. In spite of this, the author does a fairly good job of examining Superman's powers from a scientific view. I found the background material a bit more interesting than the explanations of the superpowers, primarily because the explanations gave Superman powers far less super than those he has in the comics. Still, there were a few interesting observations, such as that in order to pick up an object such as a large ship, Superman must not only have the strength to lift the ship, but must also have some power which prevents the ship's mass from breaking it in two. I found the explanation of Kryptonite to be particularly disappointing: it's dangerous to Superman, but even more so to Earthlings. Overall, if you're a comic fan you'll probably enjoy reading the book, but it didn't turn out to be as interesting as I thought it would.

Kryptonite has been lethal to humans for a long time. It's just, because of Superman's natural ability to absorb EM radiation, it effects him a bit faster.

As Yahman and I keep stating real Science doesn't work for Supes lol.

Not for the extreme portrayals of his power levels, but real science can certainly be applied to a degree.

 

[yahman]

No they don't. And that's not the point. His powers constantly increasing without limit is still a stupid concept. He has to have limits.



It's not about red and yellow light. Red stars are, generally, much colder than yellow ones. Yellow stars have much more EM radiation for Superman to absorb and convert into fuel.



Why not? Besides, it's not just the yellow sun. It's also the physical adaptations that Kryptonians possess and humans don't, which includes a few organs we don't have and the fact that they've adapted to survive on a planet with very high gravity.



It's not stored extra dimensionally. His body absorbs the solar rays and converts them into fuel through a process similar to photosynthesis. He uses up the solar energy he absorbs as he uses his powers.

Red Suns provide an enormous amount of light, and yet kryptoninans have no power under red suns. Any way you missed my original point. Youre applying synthetic logic to this arguement, i.e. there must be a limit to how much his body can store, as infinities don't exist in a logical world. My point is that it is invalid to apply logistics to his powers as they generally defy it. My reference to red sunlight notion, was an example of an illogical predicate of his powers. There are many more i can assure you.

 

[yahman]

'Yes, actually, I do. At least, I know about a few of them. It's been hypothisised that he has an organ in his body that is super conductive, or that he has a super conductive nervous system. Super conductivity is when an object has no resistence when electricity runs through it. In many cases, depending on the current being run through, a super conductive object will either float or become quite heavy. That is probably how he flies. This organ (or nervous system) enables him to manipulate the pull of gravity on his body, thus making him able to fly.

The inner structures of his ears and eyes are also different from our own. His eyes balls, most likely, are a few times larger than our own (although one would not be able to notice this at first glance). He has multiple sets of rod and cone cells, each one designed to veiw a different part of the EM spectrum. This is where his X-Ray and heat vision come in. Ge can tune into X-Rays and other parts of the EM spectrum that pass through solid objects, enabling him to see through solid objects. His eyes are also, most likely, shaped similarly to a cat's. As in, they reflect light off of themselves. This, combined with him impressive range of vision, most likely enables him to focus said light into beams of heat.

He also, most likely, does not posses cells in his skin that produce melanin, seeing as how melanin would interfere with his body's ability to absorb solar energy. This is, of course, the reason why he (ans most Kryptonians) are quite fare skinned, and the pigment that does exist in his body is probably caused by a chemical in his skin that produces a similar effect as melanin but doesn't interfere with the absorbtion of solar energy.'

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This would be all well and good if Superman was as Strong as Capatian Ammerican , had the eyesight of the average Hawk and the senses of Wolevrine. As you and i well know, he is far beyond this. Its a simple case of thermodynaics. You cannot create or destroy energy in a logical universe. The suns radiation, in a logical universe will not supply him with enough energy to perform any of his feats, let alone his most impressive ones. Why do you think plants tend to generally stagnent ? Therefore one should generally come to the conclusion that you should throw away the book of reason, and base our assumptions from direct evidence from the comic.

Manipulation of grativity with his nervous system ? Where the **** did you get this crap from ?

 

[Harlekin]

Everywhere besides One Million has shown that he does need to eat. Really, if he didn't need to eat, then he wouldn't have a stomach, and thus wouldn't be able to eat at all.

Uhm, no. I've read a read a regular Superman comic where he states the fact that he doesn't actually require the food, but it tastes great. I remember it from being around the time of OWAW, so I'm gonna see if I can get you a scan. Also, lest we forget that this is still a comic. Characters with stomachs don't always need to eat (like say, the Surfer, who I believe has a digestive system, even though it's unnecessary).

 

[The Leaguer]

Yes, Kryptonians have a stomach because they need to eat. They also don't fly, don't have super-strength, super-speed, heat vision, super-senses or invulnerability.

...Until they hit are put under a yellow sun. Like Superman. Under a yellow sun, his body changes, giving him superpowers and, apparently, taking away his need to eat.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

People eat to get energy through chemical processes. Maybe the yellow solar radiation is just filtered through his body, providing energy without the need for those chemical processes.

 

[The Question]

Red Suns provide an enormous amount of light, and yet kryptoninans have no power under red suns. Any way you missed my original point. Youre applying synthetic logic to this arguement, i.e. there must be a limit to how much his body can store, as infinities don't exist in a logical world. My point is that it is invalid to apply logistics to his powers as they generally defy it. My reference to red sunlight notion, was an example of an illogical predicate of his powers. There are many more i can assure you.

A red Sun is still, generally. much colder than a yellow one, and produces far less EM radiation. A solar powered creature would, thus, get more energy from a yellow star than a red one. And while yes, the comics can easily bend logic and say that his powers are limitless, that doesn't change the fact that I find that to be very stupid.

This would be all well and good if Superman was as Strong as Capatian Ammerican , had the eyesight of the average Hawk and the senses of Wolevrine.

Why would he have to be as strong as Captain America? He's not a human being. His biological make up is much different from our own. I'd think that someone who exists under the conditions represented by Superman would be vastly stronger than Captain America.

As you and i well know, he is far beyond this. Its a simple case of thermodynaics. You cannot create or destroy energy in a logical universe.

Of course. But who was talking about creating or destroying energy?

The suns radiation, in a logical universe will not supply him with enough energy to perform any of his feats, let alone his most impressive ones.

Why not? The sun produces a vast amount of energy. If his body absorbs it and converts it into fuel, I don't see why he would lack the sufficient energy to preform his superhuman feats on at least some level.

Why do you think plants tend to generally stagnent ? Therefore one should generally come to the conclusion that you should throw away the book of reason, and base our assumptions from direct evidence from the comic.

Reason should not be completely ignored with fiction. And in any event,

Manipulation of grativity with his nervous system ? Where the **** did you get this crap from ?

It's not crap. The manipulation of the pull of gravity on a superconductive object is known to occur. If Superman has a superconductive organ or nervous system, it is plausible that he would be able to manipulate the pull of gravity on his body and fly.

Uhm, no. I've read a read a regular Superman comic where he states the fact that he doesn't actually require the food, but it tastes great. I remember it from being around the time of OWAW, so I'm gonna see if I can get you a scan. Also, lest we forget that this is still a comic. Characters with stomachs don't always need to eat (like say, the Surfer, who I believe has a digestive system, even though it's unnecessary).

Really? That is very very odd.

Yes, Kryptonians have a stomach because they need to eat. They also don't fly, don't have super-strength, super-speed, heat vision, super-senses or invulnerability.



...Until they hit are put under a yellow sun. Like Superman. Under a yellow sun, his body changes, giving him superpowers and, apparently, taking away his need to eat.

His body doesn't change. He doesn't suddenly grow new organs. Kryptonians always possess the physical adaptations necessairy for Superman's powers. It's just, being solar powered creatures, those abilities are greatly enhanced under a yellow star and are vastly insignificant to the point of being useless under a red one.

 

[The Leaguer]

His body doesn't change. He doesn't suddenly grow new organs. Kryptonians always possess the physical adaptations necessairy for Superman's powers. It's just, being solar powered creatures, those abilities are greatly enhanced under a yellow star and are vastly insignificant to the point of being useless under a red one.

I never said they grow new organs, I'm saying that the very nature of their abilities changes. They cannot fly under a red sun. They can fly under a yellow sun. Why is it so hard to believe that they need to eat under a red sun, but not under a yellow sun?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Really? That is very very odd.

Not really he has been shown as not needing to eat on numerous occasions.

look i'm getting bored with consistantly coming up with the goods here. In relation to the book "The Science of Superman" - The superman small "s" they end up with is nothing like Kal el. You miss the premise of the book totally, it's trying to say if superman was real how could this happen, it's not actually about the comic character, this is made clear throughout.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

Not really he has been shown as not needing to eat on numerous occasions.

I wouldn't say numerous. More like two.

look i'm getting bored with consistantly coming up with the goods here. In relation to the book "The Science of Superman" - The superman small "s" they end up with is nothing like Kal el.

He wasn't "nothing like Kal El."

You miss the premise of the book totally, it's trying to say if superman was real how could this happen, it's not actually about the comic character, this is made clear throughout.

I understand that perfectly. I'm just saying, there's no reason why none of that can be applied to the comics to a degree.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I wouldn't say numerous. More like two.

It's a few more than that.

You're getting confused between comic explanations and a book which tried to set his powers in the real world. I've backed up every statement I've made with the comic it's from and others have agreed. Right back to the first reply post by Eli. Really you haven't produced much beyond you don't think he is. That's cool the proof is in the comics.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

It's a few more than that.

The other ones are?

You're getting confused between comic explanations and a book which tried to set his powers in the real world.

I suppose. Still, I don't see why the stuff in Science of Superman couldn't be applied to the comics. Especially since the workings of his powers haven't been explored much at all.

Really you haven't produced much beyond you don't think he is. That's cool the proof is in the comics.

Dude. I can barely understand what you're saying here.

 

[Whirlysplat]

The other ones are?

When he was a gladiator on Warworld he went without food and it was stated he didn't need it even then.

I suppose. Still, I don't see why the stuff in Science of Superman couldn't be applied to the comics. Especially since the workings of his powers haven't been explored much at all.

Well the meta ATP and the psionic component have been mentioned a lot.

Dude. I can barely understand what you're saying here.

Barely is good enough "Dude"

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

Well the meta ATP and the psionic component have been mentioned a lot.

I suppose. Still, seeing as how I've seen very little in regards to explaining how Superman's powers work, I've been using Science of Superman as a basis for that.

Barely is good enough "Dude"

No, it's not.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I suppose. Still, seeing as how I've seen very little in regards to explaining how Superman's powers work, I've been using Science of Superman as a basis for that.

Not a problem it's just it doen't fit the mythology or continuity of the character.

No, it's not.

Sure it is, "Barely" indicates you just about get it, and that's cool isn't it?

Goodnight mate.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

Sure it is, "Barely" indicates you just about get it, and that's cool isn't it?

No. Some of what you write has severe grammar problems and is missing words. Makes it very hard to follow what you're saying.

 

[Kool-Aid]

Yes, Kryptonians have a stomach because they need to eat. They also don't fly, don't have super-strength, super-speed, heat vision, super-senses or invulnerability.

...Until they hit are put under a yellow sun. Like Superman. Under a yellow sun, his body changes, giving him superpowers and, apparently, taking away his need to eat.

Yeah, thats what I was gonna say. I remeber a issue where Superman said he doesn't need to eat, but he does still love Mrs. Kent's apple pies.

 

[Dr.Doom]

Maybe Flash was just talking about Santa.

 

[Superman \S/]

IMMORTAL INDEED.

 

[Whirlysplat]

double post

- Whirly

 

[Whirlysplat]

No. Some of what you write has severe grammar problems and is missing words. Makes it very hard to follow what you're saying.

THE BIT YOU DIDN'T GET

Really you haven't produced much beyond you don't think he is. That's cool the proof is in the comics.

No... It really doesn't have any problems, moving on.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

No... It really doesn't have any problems, moving on.

......

Really you haven't produced much beyond you don't think he is.

What does that mean? Besides, it's not the only time I've had a hard time understanding you.

 

[The Leaguer]

I believe what he's saying is, "you haven't given any real proof as to why you don't believe Superman doesn't need to eat, all you've done is say that you think he has to."

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, duh he has to. Come on, how could you do anything without eating? That's not realistic at all.