If Disney Gets the Rights from Fox - Which asset should headline a MCU film first?

[zachthegeek]

I think that the idea of “The X-Men are disliked” isn’t critical to their role. In my opinion; the idea that’s important is that people fear and mistrust mutants as a whole. The critical point in this theme is that mutants are “homo superior,” and humans may fear they’d be replaced. They’re far more widespread than the current superheroes, which scares people. On top of that, if someone like Magneto, along with other mutants, committed violent acts, people would think ALL mutants are violent.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think that the idea of “The X-Men are disliked” isn’t critical to their role. In my opinion; the idea that’s important is that people fear and mistrust mutants as a whole. The critical point in this theme is that mutants are “homo superior,” and humans may fear they’d be replaced. They’re far more widespread than the current superheroes, which scares people. On top of that, if someone like Magneto, along with other mutants, committed violent acts, people would think ALL mutants are violent.

This is a good point. I think this could work if they start with Magneto and the Brotherhood basically putting themselves in the position of speaking for all mutants and claiming mutants are the rightful heirs to the Earth. Sure, Xavier and the X-Men would obviously not side with him, but as long as they don't have a strong enough voice to drown him out, people would just lump all mutants together with the Brotherhood as an existential threat.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

How can the public trust that historical records are true about Cap? Maybe he didn't take SSS but was a mutant all along.

The problem being the MCU already has a story running. Now you may want to reboot but as we stand now it is a continuing story with the only major break in continuity is saying the Avengers were running down Hydra after The Winter Soldier contradicting the remnants of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s secret war and recasting Colonel Rhodes.

I could see a conspiracy theory nut saying the reason the Super Soldier Serum was never replicated with all our scientific advancement in 70 years is because Steve Rogers is actually Inhuman. Mutants is not something anyone living in the MCU has heard of yet. Nor is it something a fan watching MCU only movies or TV has. Meanwhile Inhumans have headlined a TV season and been released on IMAX screens. Compared to the Inhumans when President Ellis had his news conference to announce the Advanced Threat Containment Unit to deal with the Inhuman public explosion into the world of the MCU

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

i think xavier making the entire planet "forget" to protect mutants is a great solution because

1) it's some old school xavier dickery that isn't completely out of character

2) it solves the "world is more tolerant now, and in the mcu, heroes are beloved celebs, so why would they hate mutants?" problem. because it would be good reason to hate mutants when you find out their leader mind-wiped you. it'd be a nice little cruel irony of life, where xavier's greatest fear is realized due to his own actions to protect his kind

either way, i still would want them to recast everybody except stewart as xavier, just because i'm selfish and want to see just ONE illuminati scene with him, rdj, cumberbatch, boseman, etc

 

[Albright]

X-men is the more lucrative franchise.

Saying F4 should be first would be like choosing Deadpool before Spider-man if it were an option. Or Namor before Hulk as far as distribution rights go.

Lol I disagree.
The Fantastic 4 might be uninteresting at first, but you'll get Dr. Doom with it, who will be the next Loki. Also you'll get the chance to introduce Namor, Silver Surfer and maybe even Galactus in the end.
Also you don't need to cast a lot of main characters - just 4 and Dr.Doom for the first movie. Only 5 A-B-List actors are needed to carry this new franchise.

For X-Men you need a lot more well known A-B-List Actors
(I consider B-List well known and respectable actors in TV-Shows, A-List either Award-Winners or famous actors with huge fanbase like Cumberbatch).
Also I really don't need a reboot, because I'm happy with what they did at Fox (except Last Stand and Apocalypse) also a introduction of the X-Men will be too much of an overkill for me.

 

[Power Cosmic]

Fantastic Four and, then, Silver Surfer! Maybe they could introduce him in FF before a solo movie. I can get behind that.

 

[psylockolussus]

Would love those! But I don't think nothing can top my X-citement for a X-Men film under Marvel Studios.

 

[Mandon Knight]

FF definitely, I think the MCU 'platform' would do them justice (at last).

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't agree with these, but I thought I'd post these here anyway

Disney/Fox Merger: 8 Disastrous Implications It Has For The MCU


http://whatculture.com/film/disney-fox-merger-8-disastrous-implications-it-has-for-the-mcu

Most, if not all of these are unwarranted, and they still seem to be harping on about Constantin films as if it is an issue.

 

[DrCosmic]

i think xavier making the entire planet "forget" to protect mutants is a great solution because

1) it's some old school xavier dickery that isn't completely out of character

2) it solves the "world is more tolerant now, and in the mcu, heroes are beloved celebs, so why would they hate mutants?" problem. because it would be good reason to hate mutants when you find out their leader mind-wiped you. it'd be a nice little cruel irony of life, where xavier's greatest fear is realized due to his own actions to protect his kind

It also creates the problem of making Xavier so powerful the X-Men really shouldn't have problems.

 

[007]

Whilst the fantastic four are arguably the most boring set of heros going, Dr doom is arguably top five all time great villains. He could headline a ff film, another standalone heros tale and avengers film easily.


The mcu need doom.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't agree with these, but I thought I'd post these here anyway

Disney/Fox Merger: 8 Disastrous Implications It Has For The MCU


http://whatculture.com/film/disney-fox-merger-8-disastrous-implications-it-has-for-the-mcu

Most, if not all of these are unwarranted, and they still seem to be harping on about Constantin films as if it is an issue.

Most of that list was speculative at best.

 

[Dark Raven]

Whilst the fantastic four are arguably the most boring set of heros going, Dr doom is arguably top five all time great villains. He could headline a ff film, another standalone heros tale and avengers film easily.


The mcu need doom.

The FF aren't the most boring heroes. They just haven't been done well on film.

The Thing is one of the most fun heroes. He was Marvel's everyman and every hero's pal.

The FF could be done like the Incredibles. They have such great potential.

 

[Lilbaz]

Still think xmen should keep their own universe. There should be a shakeup and maybe bring them under feiges control but just think it would be awkward bringing them together even if they were rebooted.
It will simply be too crowded and cause too much confusion and inconsistency.

 

[itstrue718]

i think xavier making the entire planet "forget" to protect mutants is a great solution because

1) it's some old school xavier dickery that isn't completely out of character

2) it solves the "world is more tolerant now, and in the mcu, heroes are beloved celebs, so why would they hate mutants?" problem. because it would be good reason to hate mutants when you find out their leader mind-wiped you. it'd be a nice little cruel irony of life, where xavier's greatest fear is realized due to his own actions to protect his kind

either way, i still would want them to recast everybody except stewart as xavier, just because i'm selfish and want to see just ONE illuminati scene with him, rdj, cumberbatch, boseman, etc

I actually proposed this a while back. Some where opposed to the idea, but I think this is the perhaps one of the only solutions that makes the most sense. It does, in fact, coincide with established Lore, which Xavier has done in the comics.

Also, it helps to immediately establish just how powerful Xavier's mental abilities are. Finally, it gives us more world building. It fleshes out this world with more of a dark undercurrent than we were initially lead to believe.

For Example: Back during WWII, the Mutant Gene began manifesting itself. Erskine began testing his Super Soldier serum to combat Hydra. However, certain facets of the Government wanted to use the Super Soldiers to combat the potential Mutant Threat. With Erskine dead this put that project on hold. Rob, over at Comics Explained made an excellent suggestion that these factions within the government had another name for the Super Soldier Project: Weapon I (1).....I think you can see where this is going immediately.

As Mutants started to become more prominent, Shield began to intercept them. They were approached by Professor Charles Xavier, who became a Consultant/Liaison between the Mutants and the Government, helping to bridge the gap. Nevertheless Anti-Mutant sentiment began to grow. Panic, fear and mistrust deemed that the Mutants were just way too dangerous. Xavier offered to train them, and help them but his offer was refused.

Xavier then uses his abilities to wipe Mutants, and the very history of Mutants from the minds of humanity in order to protect them. Our entry into this is Vision. Even if he doesn't make it out of Infinity War or the sequel, he if the character that uncovers the truth. At some point between the events of Civil War and Infinity War, the Mind Stone reveals that memories have been erased, or are missing. As he learns to use the Mind Stone it leads him to Charles Xavier.

What's critical is that Vision himself said in Civil War that: "...ecalation leads to conflict,.....and conflict leads to catastrophe." Once Xavier explains what occurred, Vision allows him to remain in secret. The only question is: What threat would cause the Mutants to come out of hiding ?

Having the Mutants come from a different reality or Earth is stupid, when established Lore is staring us in the face.

 

[CaptainWagner]

i think xavier making the entire planet "forget" to protect mutants is a great solution because

1) it's some old school xavier dickery that isn't completely out of character

2) it solves the "world is more tolerant now, and in the mcu, heroes are beloved celebs, so why would they hate mutants?" problem. because it would be good reason to hate mutants when you find out their leader mind-wiped you. it'd be a nice little cruel irony of life, where xavier's greatest fear is realized due to his own actions to protect his kind

either way, i still would want them to recast everybody except stewart as xavier, just because i'm selfish and want to see just ONE illuminati scene with him, rdj, cumberbatch, boseman, etc

I'm on this boat for the same reasons you listed. I don't think it would make Xavier too OP, I mean, he's always been a little broken, but being able to repress knowledge of a little known phenomenon isn't ridiculous, in my opinion. And once his cover gets blown, he'll never want to do something on that scale again. I really want to see more of the morally ambiguous Xavier this time around, we haven't gotten him before.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Xavier can mind wipe the whole planet then why can't he telepathically link with the whole planet to open their minds and help them overcome their prejudices?

And if they are facing any enemies who are hunting mutants, he can simply hide them all or make people believe they're seeing something else. There's no reason they ever have to face any persecution or ostracism.

 

[Tony Stark]

The way to deal with the FF is the same way they dealt with Spider-man. Just have them show up in an MCU film, get people interested and then have a solo film.

I don't think the public will stomach another origin film, the origin should focus on Doom, with the FF already being the FF. You can tell the FF origin through exposition.

 

[CaptainWagner]

If Xavier can mind wipe the whole planet then why can't he telepathically link with the whole planet to open their minds and help them overcome their prejudices?

And if they are facing any enemies who are hunting mutants, he can simply hide them all or make people believe they're seeing something else. There's no reason they ever have to face any persecution or ostracism.

For one, Xavier isn't going to force people to accept mutants. For him, that's no different from Magneto's goal.And realistically, all Xavier needs to do is affect a handful of people who come into contact with mutants. Which realistically won't be that many. The X-Men would basically function as his "Men in Black" to cover things up. It could be fun to see some conspiracy theorist trying to prove the existence of mutants.

 

[itstrue718]

For one, Xavier isn't going to force people to accept mutants. For him, that's no different from Magneto's goal.And realistically, all Xavier needs to do is affect a handful of people who come into contact with mutants. Which realistically won't be that many. The X-Men would basically function as his "Men in Black" to cover things up. It could be fun to see some conspiracy theorist trying to prove the existence of mutants.

That would be an interesting take on the characters. However, it must be clear that the X-Men are not the Avengers. They are not as they were depicted in the 90's cartoon. They are fundamentally isolationists. They are not "do-gooders". They are more complex than that.

Some argued that the X-Men would have joined the Chitauri attack. No, they wouldn't. They would have stayed away until it was clear the Avengers could not handle the threat. They primarily deal with Mutants Threats.

Also, as it stands now,....only Spiderman has a secret identity. Part of the goodwill the Avengers have amassed is because their identities are known to the general public. This cannot be the case with Mutants. As a result, they will be distrusted, even by other heroes like the Avengers.

This can further add to the conflict in their films.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That would be an interesting take on the characters. However, it must be clear that the X-Men are not the Avengers. They are not as they were depicted in the 90's cartoon. They are fundamentally isolationists. They are not "do-gooders". They are more complex than that.

Some argued that the X-Men would have joined the Chitauri attack. No, they wouldn't. They would have stayed away until it was clear the Avengers could not handle the threat. They primarily deal with Mutants Threats.

Also, as it stands now,....only Spiderman has a secret identity. Part of the goodwill the Avengers have amassed is because their identities are known to the general public. This cannot be the case with Mutants. As a result, they will be distrusted, even by other heroes like the Avengers.

This can further add to the conflict in their films.

The Chitauri attack also happened suddenly. The battle itself wasn't that long. The X-Men assuming they existed, would need to have gotten in their gear, gotten the Black Bird ready, and then flew to NY in time. The whole thing likely would have been over by the time they made it. People act like everyone in Marvel should have come for the Battle of NY, but fact is that unlike the audience and Avengers, NO ONE KNEW IT WAS COMING!!! That is why they didn't get involved. I am not saying you're saying that. It's just something people try pointing out as a whole, when it is not.

 

[FunkMiller]

The way to deal with the FF is the same way they dealt with Spider-man. Just have them show up in an MCU film, get people interested and then have a solo film.

I don't think the public will stomach another origin film, the origin should focus on Doom, with the FF already being the FF. You can tell the FF origin through exposition.

Couldn’t they just say they were away on the space mission for several years? That gets them out of the way for the MCU thus far, and obviously plays into the origin too.

 

[Dark Raven]

The Chitauri attack also happened suddenly. The battle itself wasn't that long. The X-Men assuming they existed, would need to have gotten in their gear, gotten the Black Bird ready, and then flew to NY in time. The whole thing likely would have been over by the time they made it. People act like everyone in Marvel should have come for the Battle of NY, but fact is that unlike the audience and Avengers, NO ONE KNEW IT WAS COMING!!! That is why they didn't get involved. I am not saying you're saying that. It's just something people try pointing out as a whole, when it is not.

I'd like a scene where the X-Men see the Chitauri attack but are half way across the world at the North Pole at the time. They fly all the way to NY in their Blackbird jet, saying "Quick! Quick! We must get there and help!" but arrive too late and the battle is already over.

It could be like that Deadpool 2 trailer with the phone booth.

 

[psylockolussus]

ThaT would be too comical.

 

[Spidey_62]

I think the FF should be up first for the overhaul cause the X-Men are still gonna have some new projects in the pipeline like Dark Phoenix before they can clean slate.

For reference to possible timetables: when Sony lent Marvel Spider-Man, that was within the same year TASM2 came out (early 2015 officially announced, but we'd known rumblings since 2014), then he showed up in Civil War in 2016 and got his own movie in 2017.