Infinity War If everyone survives... (SPOILERS)

[Flash525]

Considering the alleged high stakes the Russo Brothers have attached to this film, if, come the conclusion of both Infinity War and it's sequel, none of our Heroes are actually killed off, would you be pleased, or disappointed with that conclusion?

I'm less interested here by who people think may or may not be killed off, I'm more interested in knowing whether you want some of the major players to be killed off, or whether you'd prefer a happy-ever-after ending where everyone survives.

 

[Ozbridge]

I vote for Happy Ever After. I generally like all characters (I don't dislike anyone, and I'm indifference to a couple of them), and I guess I'm used to the fairy-tale endings of MCU movies.

Well obviously what I want is different from what will actually happen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Depends on execution, but I would rather the vast majority of major characters live.

 

[samsnee]

If everyone survives then people will says there are no stakes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You can build stakes in more ways than just mass death.

 

[SteveRogers41]

Happy ever after for me. Superheroes were invented to bring hope, which they can't do dead. Superman was created because one of the creators lost their father during a robbery and that death left an impact on the son, who imagined into existence a hero who protected humanity from senseless, tragic loss.

Captain America was created because Simon and Kirby, both Jewish, in fact Kirby was first generation American with relatives still in Austria, were upset by what was going on in Europe during WW2 and angered at American's initial reluctance to get involved. Cap, to them, was a strong political statement.

These characters have a reason, a purpose. That purpose is hope. Superheroes aren't the genre for massive amounts of death. Death belongs in Walking Dead, a zombie apocalypse. It belongs in Game of Thrones, a war-torn society. It doesn't belong in a genre whose very roots lies in the strong rising up, again and again, to protect the weak and doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

Superheroes lead by example, it's rather hard to set an example if you're dead.

 

[samsnee]

You can build stakes in more ways than just mass death.

Agreed. Or just join Omaha steak of the month club.

 

[StormC]

I'm a champion of bittersweet endings. If the only guys that bite it are third-string supporting characters after a decade, I'll be somewhat disappointed. There are no heroes in a world where people cannot die.

 

[dyl1dyl]

I want the happy ever after for Vision and Scarlet Witch, let them retire and be like consultants after A4. She can pop up in a Dr Strange sequel and he can appear in the next Spiderman

 

[ludovica]

Happy ever after for me. Superheroes were invented to bring hope, which they can't do dead. Superman was created because one of the creators lost their father during a robbery and that death left an impact on the son, who imagined into existence a hero who protected humanity from senseless, tragic loss.

Captain America was created because Simon and Kirby, both Jewish, in fact Kirby was first generation American with relatives still in Austria, were upset by what was going on in Europe during WW2 and angered at American's initial reluctance to get involved. Cap, to them, was a strong political statement.

These characters have a reason, a purpose. That purpose is hope. Superheroes aren't the genre for massive amounts of death. Death belongs in Walking Dead, a zombie apocalypse. It belongs in Game of Thrones, a war-torn society. It doesn't belong in a genre whose very roots lies in the strong rising up, again and again, to protect the weak and doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

Superheroes lead by example, it's rather hard to set an example if you're dead.

Very beautifully put.

 

[MbJ]

Disappointed.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Happy ever after for me. Superheroes were invented to bring hope, which they can't do dead. Superman was created because one of the creators lost their father during a robbery and that death left an impact on the son, who imagined into existence a hero who protected humanity from senseless, tragic loss.

Captain America was created because Simon and Kirby, both Jewish, in fact Kirby was first generation American with relatives still in Austria, were upset by what was going on in Europe during WW2 and angered at American's initial reluctance to get involved. Cap, to them, was a strong political statement.

These characters have a reason, a purpose. That purpose is hope. Superheroes aren't the genre for massive amounts of death. Death belongs in Walking Dead, a zombie apocalypse. It belongs in Game of Thrones, a war-torn society. It doesn't belong in a genre whose very roots lies in the strong rising up, again and again, to protect the weak and doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

Superheroes lead by example, it's rather hard to set an example if you're dead.

Eloquently put, and I agree

 

[Visualiza]

As with anything else, depends on how it's executed. Either way, a movie's overall effectiveness doesn't hinge on something as trite and simplistic as that; deaths can be (and have been) done poorly in film all the time. Were that not the case, Quicksilver's death in AoU would have elevated that movie and the characters it affected, but a lot of people seem to agree that it was awful (I was indifferent, but that's just me.). Stakes aren't as simple as killing a character and calling it good. Plenty of excellent movies out there where everybody makes it through, complete with solid character arcs, thrills, laughs, and drama.

I could be reaching here, but I get the idea that this morbid fixation on hero deaths among the MCU fanbase is an insecurity that we just need to itch so we can wag our fingers at naysayers while yelling "See, these movies DO have stakes!" The way we tend to talk about it just seems so arbitrary to me.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I'm a champion of bittersweet endings. If the only guys that bite it are third-string supporting characters after a decade, I'll be somewhat disappointed. There are no heroes in a world where people cannot die.

Pretty much my thinking too.

 

[RoastBeast]

Happy ever after for me. Superheroes were invented to bring hope, which they can't do dead. Superman was created because one of the creators lost their father during a robbery and that death left an impact on the son, who imagined into existence a hero who protected humanity from senseless, tragic loss.

Captain America was created because Simon and Kirby, both Jewish, in fact Kirby was first generation American with relatives still in Austria, were upset by what was going on in Europe during WW2 and angered at American's initial reluctance to get involved. Cap, to them, was a strong political statement.

These characters have a reason, a purpose. That purpose is hope. Superheroes aren't the genre for massive amounts of death. Death belongs in Walking Dead, a zombie apocalypse. It belongs in Game of Thrones, a war-torn society. It doesn't belong in a genre whose very roots lies in the strong rising up, again and again, to protect the weak and doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.

Superheroes lead by example, it's rather hard to set an example if you're dead.

thank you, thank you...

 

[Aximili86]

I'm kinda figuring everyone who died before Thanos having all the Stones is permanent, everyone who faded out they'll pull a comic-booky undo.

Which is fine. It'll get into annoyingly-inconsequential territory for me if they bring back

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Gamora & Vision though

though, but I doubt that's happening.

 

[StanLeeSkrull]

I want the unhappy ending so badly... nothing would make me more satisfied than the Avengers trying everything, but losing to Thanos and the survivors spending a whole phase under his control. Pretty much a dark era of the MCU, where real heroes will finally get a chance to emerge at the end of "Phase 4" (I know they're gonna be straying away from the phases but who cares). At the end they finally beat Thanos, after years and years of struggle. Would make the payoff absolutely amazing. Unfortunately, they'll go with the happy ending and Thanos will be dead by the end of A4. All I can hope is that at least one hero goes down with him so there is some form of loss.

 

[dyl1dyl]

I have an interesting idea but a bit spoiler heavy

Spoiler

How will you guys feel if Vision, Loki and/or Gamora get revived in A4 but... 1 or more of the original bunch die in the process of "resetting" the universe. Let's say Ironman and Black Widow for example. Would that be acceptable?

 

[Aximili86]

What would eveb be the point of that though?

 

[dyl1dyl]

What would eveb be the point of that though?

it would make up for any revivals I guess? To show that there are still stakes

 

[Aximili86]

I mean more...

What's the point of bringing Loki and/or Gamora back? They were big impactful character moments, with some of the heaviest weight in the MCU so far. You don't undo that, even if you're offing some other people to supposedly make up for it.

Vision, ehhh, maybe, it makes more sense with him. Honestly I'd prefer he stay down-and-out too though, just from a dramatic sense.

Can bet your ass everyone who disappeared/faded out once Thanos had all the Stones is back before long though.

 

[dyl1dyl]

I mean more...

What's the point of bringing Loki and/or Gamora back? They were big impactful character moments, with some of the heaviest weight in the MCU so far. You don't undo that, even if you're offing some other people to supposedly make up for it.

Vision, ehhh, maybe, it makes more sense with him. Honestly I'd prefer he stay down-and-out too though, just from a dramatic sense.

Can bet your ass everyone who disappeared/faded out once Thanos had all the Stones is back before long though.

Oh yeah, definietly, i agree. No point bringing Loki back. His complete arc is perfect. Gamora is on the fence, I feel she hasn't done enough but still, a decent end. Vision I 100% want back, completely underserved so far for such a key Avenger from the comics

 

[chamber-music]

Personally I prefer happily ever after.

Marvel Studios has been built primarily on their movies being on the positive and lighter end of the scale.

For me it would be such a downer to end all these characters stories with them dying some horrible death.

The recent Star Wars movies revealed the main heroes lives continued to be a tragic mess after the original trilogy and they all died. They only managed to keep the forces of evil at bay for a few decades before the galaxy was plunged into war again. It takes some shine off the original trilogy for me knowing they fought and sacrificed only for it to not amount to much.

 

[Aximili86]

It's definitely not going to be a total downer at the end of 4, Thanos is getting beaten somehow or other (not necessarily dying, but defeat is pretty much certain).

All I need is the people who died through other means than the full gauntlet at the end to stay dead, it's going to feel so cheap if they bring those few back. Anyone else is fair game for resurrection, and they almost definitely will.

 

[dyl1dyl]

It's definitely not going to be a total downer at the end of 4, Thanos is getting beaten somehow or other (not necessarily dying, but defeat is pretty much certain).

All I need is the people who died through other means than the full gauntlet at the end to stay dead, it's going to feel so cheap if they bring those few back. Anyone else is fair game for resurrection, and they almost definitely will.

yeah, they have to resurrect all the ash people IMO. I mean how can all of dr strange, spiderman and black panther not get sequels. Unless, they revive them early in A4, like the halfway mark, then there's another threat in the second half. Who knows. I doubt it though, Thanos should be the main threat for the full movie IMO.