Comics If not Norman Obourne, who would you have liked to be behind the Clone saga?

[Toxin]

In Ultimate Spider-man, so far it seems Doc Ock might be behind the whole Clone Saga, which would make sense as Ock knows Pete's identity in Ultimate, and took his blood once. And he's a freaking evil psycopath who enjoys nothing more than tormenting Spider-man, too. And a geneticist.

 

[freemadison]

Nope, I always would have the mastermind of the clone saga be Norman Osborn.

Same here. Why, you ask?

1) The Jackal sucks HARD
2) Harry's death was great and redemptive. Norman went out HATING Spider-Man. It was well within character for him to be trying to sabotage Peter's life from behind the scenes better than anyone other than Ock.
3) Norman indirectly (and then with the magic of retcon, directly) started the Clone Saga with Amazing 121. No dead Gwen, no clone Gwen, no Ben Reilly.
4) Judas Traveller sucks HARD
5) I like Citizen Kaine's Ned Leeds idea but in retrospect I really like Roderick Kingsley as Hobby. And a mastermind Ned Leeds means that Kingsley is irrelevant.
5) We needed an iconic villain again. Venom was getting stale fast, Ock was dead, Harry was dead, and everyone else is more or less a small-minded, super-powered, street hood. That's why Norman was overplayed so much when he came back. No one else left.

As much as I loved the Clone Saga, I'm glad it ended with Norman. Most of the suggestions offered by writers and editors (as detailed in Life of Reilly) sucked ass imo. Time Travel? Mephisto? **** that. Norman works just fine for me....

Hypno-Hustler. If he was revealed to be the master mind behind the Clone Saga, it would have been even cooler than tear away pants in their prime.

NOTHING is cooler than tear away pants in their prime.















Ok....fine.....except Ben Reilly. i'm a shameless, shameless fanboy.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Originally, the mastermind was going to be Harry Osborn. He was the big fat robot guy, and then Marvel Editorial decided against it and made the cyborg to be Mendell Stromm.

Doc Ock doesn't work because he didn't discover Spidey's secret identity until AFTER the Clone Saga had begun (I want to say "Web of Death" storyline, but it could have been "Back from the Edge").

Personally, I like the idea of Ned Leeds/Hobgoblin being behind the whole thing. I like Kingsley, but IMO I always thought that the idea of Leeds being the Hobgoblin was a lot better.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

5) I like Citizen Kaine's Ned Leeds idea but in retrospect I really like Roderick Kingsley as Hobby. And a mastermind Ned Leeds means that Kingsley is irrelevant.

I'm fairily positive that at the time that Kingsley was revealed to be the original Hobgoblin, the Clone Saga was already finished (or was in the process of being finished). So if they'd made Ned Leeds the mastermind, it doesn't matter anyway.

Or, you could always say that Kingsley worked for Leeds, or that they were partners or something...not necessarily the most satisfactory storylines, but having Ned Leeds as the Hobgoblin doesn't NECESSARILY make Kingsley moot.

 

[Abaddon]

The Beyonder.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

Kingsley doesn't really have a good character for himself though, his character is the Hobgoblins personality, mask on or off. Before Hobgoblin Lives he was a little *****, who screamed and made dresses, Stern and Defalco just took Hobby's manerisms and threw them on Kingsley, which worked out fine because there would be not point in having them act differently when the secret is in the general public.

With Leeds as the Goblin, we fix the improbabilites with ASM 289 and the reveal of the Goblin himself. We cut out two Hobgoblins (Kingsley, Secret War Dude) from the characters extremely cultavated history. And keep the poetic justice that occured in ASM 122, and made the story, that much better.

Ned fills in the role of a long standing Spider-character nemesis (Ned debuted 19 issues prior to Osborn), with ties to the Bugle and the characters in it(Keep the excellent Spectacular Spider-Man subplot, where Osborn ****ed with Peter and Jonah, while making everyone else love him) the previously mentioned plot would have worked even better, as Betty would have a much larger and dramatic role in the story, and Osborn's use of Flash as an assistant would've been even better with Leeds taking an ironic form of vengeance upon him.

 

[TwoMinutesHate]

You know what I'd like to see? another of Spidey's villain getting a copycat running around as a variation of the original...

I want Hypno-Hustler VS Hypno-Rapper! with Spidey stuck on the side of a building laughing his head off and wondering why he's always the one dealing with the nut-jobs.

Classic Spidey moment right there (except that they'd probably beat the hell out of Spidey these days )

lol, ya, I bet they would make Spidey their *****! And after that happens, all of the people who say that they are going to drop all Spider-Man titles actually will.


Seriously.


Ok, they probably wouldn't.


But they would only buy one copy.

NOTHING is cooler than tear away pants in their prime.















Ok....fine.....except Ben Reilly. i'm a shameless, shameless fanboy.

What if the Scarlet Spider wore tear aways? Red ones with the white racing stripes going up the leg. That would have been awesome! Awesome to the max!

 

[TwoMinutesHate]

Anyways, if I could be serious for two minutes, I agree with this:

Ah ha, see Kingsley wasn't revelead to be the true hobogoblin until 1997's Hobgoblin lives, back in my day he was nothing more than a Fashion Designer who shot a dummy of Spider-man in an issue of Spectacular.

In my day, Ned Leeds was the original Hobgoblin, and he had been known as that for almost 10 years. However when his identity was discovered, he was already dead. Killed in a pretty pathetic assasination attempt, by a bunch of goons hired by the Jack O' Lantern.

Ned Leeds, did make sense as a choice though. He hated Spider-Man for all the heartaches he caused Betty over her brothers death, he disliked Peter Parker for his history with Betty, and possible relationship they had while he and Betty were married. Ned was present at the battle between Reilly and Peter in ASM 149, he helped Peter investigate the Gwen Stacy double, and the majority of all the Clone research. He was captured by Miles Warren, off panel in ASM 148, who knows what dialouge could have occured there. Ned was blindfolded in ASM 149, but he could have eaisly heard Jackal call Spider-Man by his first name, which happened quite a few times. If you don't like that explanation, Ned would've easily overheard/saw Peter and freaking Wolverine talking in their hotel room. It would've fixed all the errors the plauged the reveal of the Hobgoblin in the first place. Why was the Hobgoblin killed by five grunts so easily? Answer: he let them. the healing factor(which was so important in Normans return) simply healed his slit throat after he had been buried. The purpose?: To lull Pete into a false sense of security, and later use the knowledge of everything he attained in Clone Genesis against him.

That also would have been awesome to the max. And I always liked when I thought that the original Hobgoblin was Ned. I was quite disappointed when it was revealed that it was actually Kingsley. x10

 

[freemadison]

That also would have been awesome to the max. And I always liked when I thought that the original Hobgoblin was Ned. I was quite disappointed when it was revealed that it was actually Kingsley. x10

I liked the idea of Ned Leeds as Hobby to an extent but I HATED the way he died and the lack of confrontation between him and Peter. He was killed in a Spider-Man/Wolverine one-shot like an afterthought.

 

[Rez]

I was kind of hoping that the mastermind would be none other than...

PETER! FROM THE FUTURE! OMGWTFBBQ!

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

How about...any villian who had a pulse?

Give that man a ceeeeegar!

 

[UK_Stu]

The chameleon

 

[Maxinsc]

The Spot, and no I'm not high. This how the story would go:After Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #99, the Spot would have become a drug importer/exporter, since it would be so easy, but one day he somehow heard about there being a spider-man clone, and also a drug that revives those that have been in ocma, The spot would then go on a journey for this drug, and then went to the place where Ben and the Jackal was, and it turned out that both were in ocma, Spot would then give them the drug and both would awake, but Ben would escape and forget about it, but the Jackal would do the Spot's biding. It would then go as normal until "Revelations" where the Spot would return and teleport chemicals into MJ to kill May. Then Ben and Peter battle the spot, but then the two brothers would start laughing, and Ben's liver would exploude and he would be close to death, but Peter defeats the Spot by tricking him to send himself into space, and then Peter would grab Ben and rush to the hospital, where both MJ and baby May would survive, and that it turn's out Uncle Ben donated his Organs so Ben can survive. Mean while in space the Spot survives and some how get's some cosmic powers.