If you Don't like the movie - POST HERE

[Jan Irisi]

I doubt that since why would I be interestred have to keep talking about a movie I DIDN'T like. The only reason things get so heated up in here is because the people who like the movie challenge our ideas and opinions repeatedly.

People who don't like the movie WOULD NOT go anywhere looking for trouble.

Why do I have serious doubts about this statement?

 

[LadyVader]

Because you haven't been on the receiving end of said trouble for as long as we have.

All we wanted was a place of our own, to discuss why we don't like the movie in peace.

 

[Jan Irisi]

Because you haven't been on the receiving end of said trouble for as long as we have.

All we wanted was a place of our own, to discuss why we don't like the movie in peace.

Trust me, I've seen it first hand, which is why I don't post in the X-Men forums any more. And yes, I've also been on "the receiving end" as well.

Remember that this is a fairly large public forum, and yes, disenting opinions will arise, even in threads that "are meant for people who hated the film". It is not the fact that there are disenting opinions here or in any other thread, it is the way those opinions are handled that is the problem. Do you see what I am trying to say here? Not all opinions and viewpoints are "stupid" nor are they any less valid than any other opinion or viewpoint. It all comes down to respect, and there is very little of it shown here.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Why in the hell do you compare Child Molestation, Murder, Rape, and Genocide to X3? Are you really that angry about people not liking this film? Are you really that tired of people criticizing this film?

Look I have expressed my views. Are my views harsh? Yes, I admit that and just recently I was banned for expressing those same exact views that I stated at the beginning. Never once did I say Ratner, Kinberg, or Penn were Satan themselves or that Fox is a gateway to Hell.

I never said that those who accept X3 accept mediocrity. I merely questioned that for those who love the comics, understand the comics, and appreciate the comics, how can they accept just a half-assed butchered attempt at the Phoenix Saga? Any comic book fan would speak their minds at what Fox did. I realize I'm not hardly an innocent party here, but you're not innocent yourself, as these very same rants and tirades that you display clearly show that you're not as good or as accepting as you claim either.

If the posts that Wee, myself, or any other X3 hater bother you that much then simply stop coming to this thread or simply place us on ignore. It's that simple and the problem would be solved immediately.

Those who like the film don't matter? In what sense? If they enjoyed the film and accept it for what it is, then yes, they don't matter in terms of what I'm speaking out against since they accept it. It doesn't man that they're worthless or anything, it's just that they're not going to speak up against what Rothman did and that's fine. If you love the film or hate it that's completely up to you or the next person.

I know quite a few posters who are disappointed in X3 who probably hate my guts just as much as you hate mine. I'm sure Worthy doesn't care much for my posting, same goes for Goddess, Flavio, and so forth. Just because they're disappointed in it doesn't mean they like me or agree with me, but you know what? Do you see me writing, whining, and ranting about me being sick and tired of people hating me? No, because it's not the end of the world.

Yes, I hate the film. Yes I'll continue speaking my mind. You don't have to come into a thread specifically made for those who didn't like the movie at all. So again, if what we say bothers you that much and angers you to the point of severe rage, then maybe you should stop coming into the thread and reading our posts.

In MY opinion the film was done wrong. It's not the worst film in the world, but it could've been so much better and I'm not going to sit down, shut up, and put a smile on my face pretending that this film is so great. I have some issues with the upcoming Spider-Man 3, I have some issues with the upcoming FF4 2, and I have some HUGE issues with Transformers coming out.

So again stop playing the victim, take a chill pill, and stop thinking that those who dislike the film are out to get you in some fashion. If you truly don't care about our opinions, then why are you upset? Why get upset or angry with anyone who speaks against Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, or Rothman? You accuse us of not accepting your opinion, yet you spin around and become the very thing you supposedly hate.

This post is the exact problem.

You even admit so much as being harsh with your opinions, enough to warrant a ban. But instead of sitting back and thinking "Hey, maybe I am being inappropriate with my behavior" you cite thread titles as justification for your actions, and tell people to put you on ignore. That is the biggest cop out ever.

That's like saying that if I hate how the government is being run, I can just stop watching political news shows so I don't have to hear about how ****ed up the government is.

I can put you on ignore. I can put thewheepeople on ignore. But that's not going to stop the fact that just about every X3 hater around this place acts like a martyr, and wants to SILENCE any positive opinion of the movie by creating thread titles that say "If you don't like the movie - POST HERE" and tell the X3 lovers to stay out if they don't like it.

Why am I in this thread? Because with posters who actually enjoy respectable debate, I enjoy discussing this movie, pros AND CONS, with people. I enjoy hearing about what people thought was good and bad about the movie. But, it seems that the people who don't like the movie DON'T want discussion, they want uncontested bashing of the film. Why do you think I made my thread that was promptly closed? Because you and others have continuously told others to get out of this thread if they don't like the movie, that this is your thread. You people OBVIOUSLY don't want discussion, you want uncontested bashing. So I opened up a thread so people COULD discuss the movie, PROS AND CONS, without people like you telling us to get out. YES, I took some shots and you and others with my post. That was part of the point, because I'm sick and tired of the attitude around here.

BTW, I just want to focus specifically on something:

"I never said that those who accept X3 accept mediocrity."

You have said EXACTLY THIS! You have accused me and others on numerous occassions of being accepting of mediocrity because we liked this film. I'm sick of you going back on your words every time you get called on it, when you know damned well you have said these things.

"I know quite a few posters who are disappointed in X3 who probably hate my guts just as much as you hate mine. I'm sure Worthy doesn't care much for my posting, same goes for Goddess, Flavio, and so forth. Just because they're disappointed in it doesn't mean they like me or agree with me, but you know what? Do you see me writing, whining, and ranting about me being sick and tired of people hating me? No, because it's not the end of the world."

If you can even acknowledge that so many people must dislike you, doesn't it make you wonder if maybe YOU are doing something wrong? Some methods that perhaps you should change when expressing your opinion?

And I love how, once again, you claim that my post is a tyraid against people who hate the film. Did you not see the FIRST PARAGRAPH of my post? It's not about liking or disliking the film. It's about the methods of expressing said opinions. The methods I outlined in my previous post, and a view that I stick by, because it is the absolute truth.

I think The Guard and X-Maniac have questionable methods of expressing their opinions, as well, and I have seen many instances of X-Maniac saying things against you (a person whom I dislike) that were completely uncalled for. Don't for one second think that I believe it's a one way street. There just happens to be more of it coming from the "negative X3" camp.

 

[La_She-Beast]

Trust me, I've seen it first hand, which is why I don't post in the X-Men forums any more. And yes, I've also been on "the receiving end" as well.

Remember that this is a fairly large public forum, and yes, disenting opinions will arise, even in threads that "are meant for people who hated the film". It is not the fact that there are disenting opinions here or in any other thread, it is the way those opinions are handled that is the problem. Do you see what I am trying to say here? Not all opinions and viewpoints are "stupid" nor are they any less valid than any other opinion or viewpoint. It all comes down to respect, and there is very little of it shown here.

I agree. This is like "Who do you stand with"?

 

[X-Maniac]

I think The Guard and X-Maniac have questionable methods of expressing their opinions, as well, and I have seen many instances of X-Maniac saying things against you (a person whom I dislike) that were completely uncalled for. Don't for one second think that I believe it's a one way street. There just happens to be more of it coming from the "negative X3" camp.

A little unfair, I feel. I once told LastSunrise to go and pleasure himself (not in those words) into a stupor over POTC, Saw etc, and was banned for it; I was merely telling him - rudely- to go away and enjoy the things he DOES enjoy because he was getting on my nerves at that particular moment.

I'm still amazed at the hapless and pointless floundering on here over X3, as though Fox will suddenly announce a complete remake of the movie with Bryan Singer. Some people are in a dream world, and it's no surprise as the internet is a dream world - a virtual realm that gives voices to people who would previously never have had a voice. X3 was clearly presented in such a way to close the trilogy (although an X4 is possible, and i'm plotting my version right now!). In fact, the mixed responses over SR and X3 have been said by friends of mine to indicate that the bubble has burst on superhero movies. There is much more negativity over SR on the Superman boards than there is over X3, and that is surprising in some ways, but it's a fact.

If I were really really unhappy over a movie, I would find a more official way to voice my protests directly to those involved and i would move on to pleasuring myself over the things I do like. The ridiculous flailing and nitpicking on here nearly a year later (just look at the list of nitpicks that has been resurrected again for the gazillionth time) is absurd.

 

[Storm22]

Nell and X-Maniac, I TOTALLY agree with everything you guys say but there's little chance you're going to change people's opinions in here just like they're not going to change ours.

I think it's really time to leave the posters in here to vent their frustration in peace instead of going round in circles arguing points.

 

[Mike059jig]

Nell and X-Maniac, I TOTALLY agree with everything you guys say but there's little chance you're going to change people's opinions in here just like they're not going to change ours.

I think it's really time to leave the posters in here to vent their frustration in peace instead of going round in circles arguing points.

Yes and it works both ways....lovers and haters have attacked each others and have tried to change people opinions......and as for you comment at the end.....Lovers and Hater have been runing around in Circles for some time now...the agruments you see above ain't nothing new at all.....and like Jan said it all comes down to respect.....even after she said it people look right pass it.....

 

[Storm22]

Yes and it works both ways....lovers and haters have attacked each others and have tried to change people opinions......and as for you comment at the end.....Lovers and Hater have been runing around in Circles for some time now...the agruments you see above ain't nothing new at all.....and like Jan said it all comes down to respect.....even after she said it people look right pass it.....

Agreed.

 

[danoyse]

Yes and it works both ways....lovers and haters have attacked each others and have tried to change people opinions......and as for you comment at the end.....Lovers and Hater have been runing around in Circles for some time now...the agruments you see above ain't nothing new at all.....and like Jan said it all comes down to respect.....even after she said it people look right pass it.....

The problem is the whole lover/hater label that gets thrown around here all the time. One side is always accusing the other of not "getting it" every time they disagree on something because they're either an "X3 lover" or "X3 hater."

I liked X3, but I didn't love X3. I like to follow the discussions (when they're civil) on this thread to discuss what went wrong and what bloody well should have been better.

But if I disagree with one of the more passionate people who dislike the film, suddenly I'm an X3 lover who doesn't get it. Or I'm a Hugh Jackman-obsessed Logan fanatic who clearly doesn't understand comic books or what a good movie is. Or sometimes when someone can't win the argument he starts making up things to accuse me of because it just gnaws at his soul that I'm not as torn apart how the movie turned out. (how's it goin' Sunrise?)

Give me a break. People should be able to post their opinions without being attacked or labelled for it.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

The problem is the whole lover/hater label that gets thrown around here all the time. One side is always accusing the other of not "getting it" every time they disagree on something because they're either an "X3 lover" or "X3 hater."

I liked X3, but I didn't love X3. I like to follow the discussions (when they're civil) on this thread to discuss what went wrong and what bloody well should have been better.

But if I disagree with one of the more passionate people who dislike the film, suddenly I'm an X3 lover who doesn't get it. Or I'm a Hugh Jackman-obsessed Logan fanatic who clearly doesn't understand comic books or what a good movie is. Or sometimes when someone can't win the argument he starts making up things to accuse me of because it just gnaws at his soul that I'm not as torn apart how the movie turned out. (how's it goin' Sunrise?)

Give me a break. People should be able to post their opinions without being attacked or labelled for it.

It's not gnawing at my soul that you're not as upset about it as some comic book fans are. Everyone reacts differently to products that are presented before them. Just like you loved Pans Labyrinth, someone more than likely hates the movie with a passion and prefers Catwoman over it.

Okay, maybe that's pushing it, but perhaps there is someone who prefers Catwoman over Pans Labyrinth.

All I'm saying is that this thread was specifically made for those who are disappointed in the movie. The Ghost Rider forum has a similar thread stating "If you don't like the movie-post here." But almost everyone agrees that Ghost Rider was a disappointment in some fashion.

I am very passionate about the X-Men. I love the comics, love the animated series, and love the first two films. When I was ten years old I started reading the X-Men comics, watching the very first X-Men cartoon, and becoming more educated and well versed with each characters. I am very passionate about them and watching The Last Stand made me feel as though the studio, the director, and the writers spit in MY face as a fan.

I have every single X-Men comic, animated series, toys, cards, and graphic novels that you can imagine. I live, breath, and sleep X-Men and it's because my passion is so strong for them that I feel the need to defend the source material, inform the misinformed, and hope that even though one voice won't change anything, then maybe other voices who want a better product will show that there's more to the X-Men than what was provided.

I have felt and still feel that Maniac, Nell, Logan babe, and Guard get an attitude basically saying we should shut up and not express our opinion, simply because "we should be happy that we even got an X-Men film last year."

And that's not what it's about for me, it's about a quality artistic vision that makes me feel for the characters and be absolutely blown away by the final product.

Like for instance, I feel that Spider-Man 3 is making a big mistake by cramming Venom into the story. I want Venom to have his own movie and I was hoping to see The Lizard, Kraven, Mysterio, and Vermin before I saw Venom on the big screen. I think the reason why I'm not as upset about it is because the Spider-Man franchise hasn't been ruined by politics, petty greed/revenge, and the studio put enough faith in Raimi that they signed him for three Spider-Man films.

So in hindsight maybe I do come off as too harsh. However, it's because my passion is so strong for the X-Men that I want to see them done right and unfortunately it hasn't happened. While Singer did make the better films that told better stories, he didn't or wasn't given the necessary time to explore all the characters.

Yet that's a problem in terms of adaptating the X-Men. There are so many characters to introduce, explore, and develop that some characters are going to have to suffer unfortunately and it's definitely not an easy task in creating a balance that allows each character to shine.

 

[danoyse]

It's not gnawing at my soul that you're not as upset about it as some comic book fans are. Everyone reacts differently to products that are presented before them. Just like you loved Pans Labyrinth, someone more than likely hates the movie with a passion and prefers Catwoman over it.

But the difference is I'm not going to tell someone they don't understand good movies because they prefer Catwoman over Pan's Labyrinth. Or tell them that they're just some crazed Halle Berry fan who prefers her cat suit over good storytelling. Those are the kind of things you do that drive everyone else crazy.

I know how passionate you are over X-Men. I understand all the reasons you wanted the movie to be better and why you're so frustrated about how the movie turned out the way it did. But that doesn't give you the right to tell everyone else what kind of fans they should be, or what threads they can post on, or decide what they understand about the comics. We're not the ones who screwed things up for you.

Seriously, I'm convinced if Loganbabe posted that the sky was blue, you'd respond by telling everyone how she's never looked up and seen the sky. You have no valid reason (that you can actually prove) to keep bashing all of her posts the way you do.

Bottom line is, while this may be the negative thread, this is the X3 forum. It's not the comics board, it's not the cartoon board, it's not the X1 or X2 board, it's the X3 board. An when you're on the X3 board, you're going to encounter people who yes, liked the movie. Or who like Wolverine. Or who will occassionally jump onto the negative thread to debate points over the movie.

Believe it or not, they can be as passionate about what they think as you are.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

But the difference is I'm not going to tell someone they don't understand good movies because they prefer Catwoman over Pan's Labyrinth. Or tell them that they're just some crazed Halle Berry fan who prefers her cat suit over good storytelling. Those are the kind of things you do that drive everyone else crazy.

I know how passionate you are over X-Men. I understand all the reasons you wanted the movie to be better and why you're so frustrated about how the movie turned out the way it did. But that doesn't give you the right to tell everyone else what kind of fans they should be, or what threads they can post on, or decide what they understand about the comics. We're not the ones who screwed things up for you.

Seriously, I'm convinced if Loganbabe posted that the sky was blue, you'd respond by telling everyone how she's never looked up and seen the sky. You have no valid reason (that you can actually prove) to keep bashing all of her posts the way you do.

Bottom line is, while this may be the negative thread, this is the X3 forum. It's not the comics board, it's not the cartoon board, it's not the X1 or X2 board, it's the X3 board. An when you're on the X3 board, you're going to encounter people who yes, liked the movie. Or who like Wolverine. Or who will occassionally jump onto the negative thread to debate points over the movie.

Believe it or not, they can be as passionate about what they think as you are.

Well, if Logan babe said the sky was blue, then I'd probably agree with her if the sky was actually blue at the time. If I see rain clouds at the moment that are of greyish dark colors then I'm not going to agree the sky is blue now am I?

I merely questioned her fandom since she has, on more than one ocassion, completely denounced the importance of other characters in favor of her Logan worship. While others may be passionate about the X-Men they go about it in a different way. I live, breath, eat, and sleep X-Men and I'm not on a quest to make sure everyone loves it, I speak my mind about the product and want to see it done right.

When posters like Logan babe and even Horhey categorize the X3 haters as "blind Singer fanboys" or "blind Cyclops fanboys", what kind of reaction is someone expecting to receive? That's like someone walking into a background with two pissed off rottweilers and wondering why they're growling, barking, and threatening to bite the person.

While this is the X3 forum, this thread is for those who don't like the film. Plain and simple. When Nell created his own thread I stayed out of it and didn't call for anyone to ruin it at all.

I kept my promise and said that I would stay out of a thread that praises X3 and I've held true to that. I have had plenty of reasons to bash her posts, but then again, a lot of what I've said is nothing compared to a lot of the posts that have been provided by other members of the forum. Just like when I provided my rewrite of the finale of X3, she gets rude and defensive because she felt as though I made Logan into a "useless tool." When I clearly explained, pointed out, and showed that I had Logan notice that Scott doesn't want to kill Jean and Logan takes the burden on himself by killing her.

It's the classic saving a friend or helping a friend maintain his conscience while the other takes the deed. She took it as me literally insulting the character of Logan. So of course I'm going to question her fandom and her knowledge of the X-Men mythology.

I'm not saying she's stupid or she's worthless, but it would be nice if she stopped getting so upset about someone stating a negative opinion about the way Logan was overexposed in the movies.

 

[gambitfire]

I'm all for the peace, but to be fair i know sometimes some of us posters can be immature. Then we would start mocking a certain character let's say and then we have a fan of the character come in and try to defend their character. Now that for the most part seems fine, but when they come at you not only insulting you're intelligence for having a slight moment of immaturity (because everyone is require to be perfect right?) but they have the nerve to be rude about it, then i'd say they're stooping down to that level of immaturity.

I'm not saying we should freely insult what others love all the time but SOME people need to not take it to heart and start an argument over it every single time.

Perhaps they should be the bigger person and ignore the remarks, after all judging from recent experiences it's not like anyone was in the wrong thread to make the said remarks.

 

[Theweepeople]

I'm all for the peace, but to be fair i know sometimes some of us posters can be immature.

I'm all for peace too. That's why from this period on I won't be discussing anything X-Men related with people who liked X3. I will only be discussing what I disliked about X3 with those hated the film. I knew this day was coming after I was forced to add Nell to my ignore list. I considered him to be one of the most level headed people on this forum until 2 months ago. It's a shame but after contributing to this forum since last June I've learned it is basically impossible to have a reasonabe discussion with most people who enjoyed X3 without them resorting to insults and
missinterpretations of my commentaries.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And my point about martyrism continues to prove itself true...

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What the hell's with all that blood feud talk anyway?

It's pretty much only the LastSunrise/theweepeople tag-team against the [sarcasm]big bad evil uber meanie[/sarcasm] Nell. t:

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

What the hell's with all that blood feud talk anyway?

It's pretty much only the LastSunrise/theweepeople tag-team against the [sarcasm]big bad evil uber meanie[/sarcasm] Nell. t:

Handicap Match!

When the ref's (Lightning Strikez) back is turned, I'm grabbing a chair from underneath the ring!

 

[Theweepeople]

What the hell's with all that blood feud talk anyway?

It's pretty much only the LastSunrise/theweepeople tag-team against the [sarcasm]big bad evil uber meanie[/sarcasm] Nell. t:

Tag-team against Nell? I don't hate Nell and it was never my intention to insult him. If you hadn't noticed all my insults have been instigated by insults directed at me. I made the effort to get along with people in these forums for an extended period of time. Unfortunately, many people like Nell are too sensitive for me to respond to directly anymore. I don't mind if Nell excercises his freedom to continue posting here.

 

[Theweepeople]

Third movies in a franchise with a longer running time than X3:

Indiana Jones 3 2hours 7 minutes
Star Wars 3 2hours 26 minutes
Star Wars 6 2hours 14 minutes
Terminator 3 1hour 49 minutes
Harry Potter 3 2hours 22 minutes
Beverly Hills Cop 3 1hour 45minutes
James Bond 3 1hour 48 minutes
Alien 3 1hour 54 minutes
Die hard 3 2 hours 1minutes
Lethal Weapon 3 1hour 58 minutes
Blade 3 1hour 54 minutes
Back to the future 3 1 hour 58minutes
The Exocist 3 1 hour 45 minutes
Batman 3 2 hours 2 minutes
Final Destination 3 1 hour 55 minutes
Jack Ryan 3 2 hours 21 minutes
Matrix 3 2 hour 15 minutes
Superman 3 2 hours 5 minutes
Lord of the Rings 3 3 hours 20 minutes
Saw 3 1 hour 47 minutes

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Get over it already.

 

[xii22_loop]

ahh some of those movies are not so good

 

[Theweepeople]

I found a few more movie franchises to add to my list of third movies in a franchise with a longer running time than X3:

Indiana Jones 3 2hours 7 minutes
Star Wars 3 2hours 26 minutes
Star Wars 6 2hours 14 minutes
Terminator 3 1hour 49 minutes
Harry Potter 3 2hours 22 minutes
Beverly Hills Cop 3 1hour 45minutes
James Bond 3 1hour 48 minutes
Alien 3 1hour 54 minutes
Die hard 3 2 hours 1minutes
Lethal Weapon 3 1hour 58 minutes
Blade 3 1hour 54 minutes
Back to the future 3 1 hour 58minutes
The Exocist 3 1 hour 45 minutes
Batman 3 2 hours 2 minutes
Final Destination 3 1 hour 55 minutes
Jack Ryan 3 2 hours 21 minutes
Matrix 3 2 hour 15 minutes
Superman 3 2 hours 5 minutes
Lord of the Rings 3 3 hours 20 minutes
Saw 3 1 hour 47 minutes
Mad Max 3 1 hour 47 minutes
Misson Impossible 3 2 hours 6 minutes
Star Trek 3 1 hour 45 minutes
Scream 3 1 hour 57 minutes

 

[Theweepeople]

ahh some of those movies are not so good

I totally agree. However, at least most of the studios who made these films had enough common sense to realize that the third movie in series shouldn't have a running time that is considerably less than the previous film or films.

 

[Storm22]

X3 was I hr 44mins, if I remember correctly X1 was 1 hr 44mins too or maybe 1hr 45mins