wat if they built up to x men, like avengers?

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  1. Lord

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    But they're major stories start in the team, aside from Wolverine, i don't think most of the characters deserve to have their oun film series, that is just oversaturating.
     
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    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    Everyone has an origin stories, but doesn't mean they should make one for everyone.[

    QUOTE=XtremelyBaneful;28719027]Dude, you yourself suggested in an earlier post that the X Men film with origin stories that came before could have been a big deal... so yes, I do think those films would have been successful for building up a shared universe.[/QUOTE]

    Huh what? Origin stories would be cool, but I didn't say they should release a solo Cyclops/Jean/Wolverine/Storm movie first before an actual X-Men team movie. Because that just won't sell enough. Even before Wolverine got his 1st solo movie, they built him up in the 1st 3 X-Men movies.
     
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  3. XtremelyBaneful

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    yes you did.

     
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    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    I said "imagine" and "might perform". I didn't suggest Fox should have done it before.

    Stop putting words in my mouth.
     
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  5. XtremelyBaneful

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    I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I quoted you to back up my claims, and what you said before was good enough for me to believe that this is/was a good idea.
     
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    psylockolussus Well-Known Mutant

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    Good idea for a story, sure.

    But good idea to bank money at the box-office, no.

    And you are forcing me to like this idea and trying to make me contradict myself. You know what let this discussion go.
     
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  7. Lord

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    I think people should stop asking for other franchises to be like the MCU, i don't think we need so many connected films, X-Men doesn't need build up like this, it's a team franchise, like Oceans 11 or Mission Impossible with super powers, you can have a spin-off for Wolverine now and then, sure, but not every character needs or deserves that.

    I don't want 2 X-Men, Star Wars, Spider-Man, etc films per year, let the franchises breathe, sometimes it's good to have a single franchise, not make it thiner by trying to transform ir into a mega-franchise.
     
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  8. XtremelyBaneful

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    Let this discussion go? No, I don't control this discussion. It ends whenever everyone ceases to respond.

    The whole foundation of my thread was comparison to Avengers, and THAT was obviously a good idea to bank money at the box office, so why wouldn't this idea be?
     
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  9. psylockolussus

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    Avengers doesn't operate like X-Men.

    Avengers is basically the All-Stars group of the Marvel universe, established superheroes coming together as a group. X-Men is not like that. They didn't have solo titles before they joined the X-Men. Obviously, the movies followed the same path as the comics.
     
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    It probably wouldnt work for the X-Men. They have too much main characters with brilliant long backstories. It took a prequel (X-Men: First Class) and X-Men to roughly do Xaviers and Magnetos backstory. But who knows what they could do
     
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    If they were to go the Avengers route with seperate films leading up to the actual team film that would be the best thing to do IMO. Zack Snyder jumped the gun a little by doing Batman Vs Superman so early I think we should have at least had another solo Superman sequel before bringing in Justice League characters, but I think the pressure for a Justice League movie is why he wants to rush the introduction of the other members. But there's a fan-film on YouTube called Uncanny X-men and the actor they have playing Pyro is brilliant, way better than the Pyro in X-2 & Last Stand. If they were to reboot the X-men franchise and pick a new cast in the future they should definitely give his agent a call.
     
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    Solo X-Men films? No. The only X-Men who can support solo comics are Wolverine and... err that's it. Unless you wanna count someone like Deadpool. If they can't support solo comics, what makes you think they'll support solo films?

    The X-Men are a team. They are together with a share mythology because they all share one thing in common(they are mutants).

    It's not like Avengers or Justice League where most members have their own solo stories and solo mythologies.
     
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    The X Men weren't BORN into a team. They all had overlapping origin stories. I can't believe how many times I've had to reiterate this statement.
     
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    No, I don't think MCU style solo films would work, at least not based on the X-Men's comic book origins. For instance, Angel, Beast, Cyclops, Iceman, and Jean Grey, may not have been born into the team, but their origin stories aren't substantial enough to support solo films of their own. They were too young when they were recruited, and the rest of their history is too intertwined, to provide enough material for a solo film or franchise.
     
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    The only way the X-Men universe could do something akin to what the MCU is doing is if they did solo TEAM movies since there are very few actual X-Men that need a solo movie. Gambit, Wolverine, Deadpool and Mystique are really the only ones I can see having successful solo movies because they all had successful solo comic's.

    Now, team spin-offs would be the way to go in order to address the issue of overcrowding. They're never going to be able to do justice to every single X-Men character if they have to keep juggling 10-12 main characters in one movie.

    They really need to start doing spin-off for teams like X-Force, X-Factor, Xcalibur, New Mutants etc. in order to spread the characters out. That way, they'll be able to give the necessary time and development to each character.
     
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    I've thought about this concept a few times, but the X-Men characters in my opinion do not have enough of a back story to hold their own film. Maybe if in the first X-Men film, they took ten to fifteen minutes to give a backstory/origin of each character to build up what the team would be maybe might have worked. Not to say that there are a few characters, such as Wolverine and what not, but I think a majority of watchers get the point.
    What X-Men has that the Avengers don't (lightly putting this as I know there are various Avenger teams) is that there are several different teams such as X-Force, New Mutants, X-Factor, Excalibur, Generation X, the list and possibilities are endless. Heck, there are enough popular characters, that an X-Men movie with newer mutants like Gambit, Colossus, Shadowcat, Iceman, and Nightcrawler would even be a hit (most likely).
    The X-Men were originally a team, whereas the Avengers started out with standalone heroes that teamed together.
     
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    If they want to make origin stories/solo movies for Jean, Cyclops and the rest, it could happen, after all, the length of a single film isn't very long. I mean just look at Lost or other TV shows with an ensemble cast, if they can dedicate centric episodes for 6 seasons to more than 15 characters, why can't the writers of Fox come up with a story for Cyclops, Jean, Storm that would last long than at least 1hour and 30 minutes. The problem though, the scale of it wouldn't be very big, I don't think it will do very well at the box-office especially if the budget is big and chances are Fox would put characters that shouldn't be in the film in the first place. They would do it just to get more interest to the public. Like what they did in Origins by mixing Gambit/Deadpool/Cyclops/Emma Frost in the origin story of Wolverine. And personally, instead of making smaller films, they could justcontinue making films with the cast that started the series. No one is getting any younger after-all.
     
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    first before replying to your next quote, I just have to say that this post in fact made me lol when I read it to myself.
    and yeah, perhaps certain key x men deserved origin story movies but not them all - marvel themselves didn't make one for hawkeye or scarlett widow, or even for any of the guardians of the galaxy, except for the opening for starlord which is probably all the backstory we'll get for him until they explain his father. but even that's just going forward with the story, not making an origin.
     
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    It made me lol also, you clearly called him out and he knew it, so 'you know what let this discussion go.' Haha
     
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  21. XtremelyBaneful

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    lol yeah but I was right wasn't I?
     
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    As everyone else said, the X-Men series in the comics is about the TEAM from the get go. Sure nobody is born into a team but that's a silly argument because you can make it for any series.

    "Marty McFly and Doc Brown weren't BORN friends, lets have one movie all about Marty and one all about Doc and then lead into BTTF" nah it doesn't work that way with everything.

    Avengers the movie is a team up of different characters with totally different origins. They could all exist within their own universe if little things didnt connect them. But X-Men are all in the same mutant universe. They start that way in the comics, tv shows and everything.. Of course the movies are going to be the same. Writers and viewers like the character dynamics between like Logan and Scott or Xavier and Magneto because they're all supporting characters of each other. Iron man has Pepper and Rhodes, Thor has Jane and loki etc. X-Men IS all of the characters together, thats the point.
    Nobody wants to watch a movie about Jean and her parents.
     
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  23. XtremelyBaneful

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    yeah, and the avengers universe was the first successful time I think, such a thing has ever occurred yeah?

    I see here that the common opinion is that this is not a good idea, but I'm still with it. Therer would be an audience for a movie about jean and her parents.
     
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