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[Obsidian]

The movie could've used more cowbell

 

[gambitfire]

You ppl didn't bother taking LS's advice huh?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Because I enjoy debate. I like discussing the pros and cons of this movie, not just talking with people who have the same opinion.

I truly feel that there are very valid concerns with this movie, and I really enjoy the views that are expressed intelligently with perspective and logic behind them, even if I don't agree with them. And when I see something that I feel is completely illogical, I speak to it.

Disliking the film is not what I deem illogical. I have had debates with plenty of people whom I disagree with on this film, who I feel have very valid takes on this movie even if it's negative. To be honest, I feel that you're opinion is one of those that has a lot of logic and perspective behind it. The problem is, I feel you've been way too hostile towards myself for me to be able to express that. But I don't see you running around here, blindly flailing your arms at anything you can to make this film look bad. I think you have very valid opinions that, when we're not bickering, I find very interesting to read, even when I disagree.

The problem is, most of the "hatred" around here doesn't have that same perspective and logic. It's filled with double standards, and obvious bias towards certain filmakers over others. The same flaws in Singer's films get a free pass, or blind, wild justifications that have no actual basis in what's established in the films, while Ratner's mistakes are ridiculed, and are offered up as evidence to prove that X-Men: The Last Stand was a bad movie.

Seriously, you say if I love the movie as much as I do, then I shouldn't have to justify it.

Well, what other purpose do you all as X3 haters have than to try to justify your point than the movie sucks? This is a forum for fans of the X-Men movies, and yet you all are on here trying to wildly prove how horrible the movie sucks.

People are on here making personal attacks towards the filmmakers, making them out to be horrible human beings because of a movie, and hoping that people lose their jobs because they didn't like a movie. And yet you say I'M the one taking it too personal.

Look, I really don't care who hates the movie and who loves it. That's not my gripe.

But to be brutally honest, I don't take most of the opinions around here as worth taking seriously, because they aren't based on actual perspective or logic. They are based on blindly bashing this film at every possible oppourtunity to make it look bad. They are based on attacking flaws that are found in most films and forms of fiction, and offering those up as evidence as to why the film sucks. I've seen hardly any true criticisms of good or bad script writing or directing or acting. It seems to me that people are carrying a grudge because of certain inaccuracies when compared to the source material, and are unwilling to accept this as a good movie, and pick out every asanine flaw they can find to prove their point. The complaining that goes on around here are not about flaws that any real student of filmmaking and storytelling would find as flaws.

There are a few opinions that I find to be credible, but unfortunatley, it seems as though most of the people with logic and perspective, who can intelligently form an opinion one way or another, have moved on from this board.

I don't hope for Ratner, Penn, or Kinberg to lose their jobs at all. I just don't want them near my favorite superheroes again.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm explaining my position, offering some intelligent reasons, and providing input on what I feel could've made the film better. Have I been rude before? Yes, I have been rude to a lot of people, only because some who enjoyed the film came off hostile towards me and others who are disappointed in the film.

I'll bring up a perfect example. When I asked Ultimatefan about Spider-Man 3 and how he would feel if Mary Jane killed Peter Parker, Eddie Brock, Aunt May, and Harry became Spider-Man to save Mary Jane and ended up being the love of her life. Know what I received? No answer. He avoided my question not once, but twice, and I found it hilarious how he tells those who are disappointed by X3 to shut up and stop being nerdy fanboys when he knows he'd do the same thing if SM3 had the same circumstances.

I've decided to stop insulting those like the film, accept their viewpoints even if I disagree with them.

I'll continue to voice my opinion regarding my disappointment of this film and continue calling for a sequel or a restart. As a whole the franchise has been mishandled.

Comics like Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, X-Men, Hellblazer, Sandman, The Punisher, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, The Flash, Iron Man, Blade, and so on are a passion of mine. They've been a passion of mine since I was a little kid, and still to this very day, I read the comics and add them to my already large collection of rare and well known comics. When I hear about a film being made of my favorite characters and stories I expect it to be great and done with respect to the source material.

As a consumer who paid his money for X3, defended Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg before the film was released, and even held out hope for Cyclops, Rogue, and Angel in general I have every right to be angry. I paid my hard earned cash and felt like I was spit in the face by Ratner, Penn, Kinberg, and Rothman. Do I wish harm on them? No. Do I want them to lose their job? No.

I just don't want them to be near another X-Men film or any other superhero story.

 

[Redwoods Wolf]

I felt X-men 3 was edited poorly. Every scene felt rushed through.
Superfluous characters (Angel, Kitty) didn't help, either. And wolverine was used too much. And they killed or dispensed of most of the previous installments characters, who were interesting and had potential. And the story was a let down.

Although I did like that Danger Room sequence. Very "Days of Future Past" feel to it.

 

[the a1ant]

^The Danger Room scene was fun, but could've used more glimpses of the Sentinel, imo (a foot smashing down, etc). I wasn't a fan of the music in that scene either, though the rest of the score was great.

The editing wasn't that great either. I really liked X2's editing the most.

• The fact that an entire plot arc or character arc, whatever you want to call it, is established with Storm's feelings towards the cure, but it is something that is never touched upon again after the first 15 minutes of the film. That's a pretty major aspect of a character to just ignore once it's out there. It's how this character (a main character) plays into your main plot line. This aspect really would have given Halle Berry something to do with the role. But instead, Halle thinks that flying is Storm doing something meaningful...

To me, it seemed like all of the X-Men's focused shifted from the cure directly to Jean once she was reborn, which I can understand, since she's their team member. While Storm didn't further comment on the cure, she had a lot to say to Wolverine about Jean, and choosing a side. She also had to worry about keeping the school open, sans Xavier. While it would've been nice to touch more on her opinion of the cure, there were gother things she had to think about. I thought she had a few very meaningful scenes, where she expressed her opinion, including her eulogy at ther funeral. She did more than just fly in the film, IMO. Besides, there were many characters in this film...there's only so much opinion Storm can get in.

I do agree with many of your complaints though. The script wasn't that great. If they had more time, maybe it could've been perfected (I still don't want Penn/ Kinberg near X-Men again though).

 

[Theweepeople]

I just don't want them to be near another X-Men film or any other superhero story.

If you didn't already know Zak Penn is writing the script for the new Hulk movie. The only film I liked that he had involvement with was X2. Below is a list of other classic films Zak worked on:

Last Action Hero
PCU
Inspector Gadget
Electra
Behind Enemy Lines
Fantastic Four
X-Men 3

Is there any reason why I should have faith in the possibility of Zak not screwing up the script of another movie?

 

[flavio_lebeau]

And his contribution to X2 was almost unexistant, since lots of his ideas didn't make it into the movie.

God, what am I doing, I have nothing personal against Penn. I think he was quite true in his answers on thexverse. I even like him. But I'm not sure if he can get rid of a seeemingly terrible-one-liners-obssession. I don't know if it was him or Simon who wrote those terrible jokes, but, seriously.
I know they were quite "directioned" towards how the story should be told. But those cringe-worthy lines are their creation. The blame is all theirs. So I'd prefer them out too.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

I may not like Penn for what he did with X3 but in real life he's okay --- especially when he's drunk and spilling secrets. t:

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

My patience with this thread has waned--and I believe it's run its course. If someone can give me a GOOD reason it should remain open past today, let me know. Otherwise, it's toast.

 

[Boba_Fett_123]

Only good reason I can think of is that it might contain all this nonsense to one thread. Other than that, it's the same old arguments over again and again.

 

[danoyse]

I LOVE ME THE HULK RIDE!! FRONT ROW EVERYTIME!!! So far i have me an 8 time count.

It's the BEST! I'm up to about 6 times so far...although even I had to take a break after doing it twice in a row last time.

 

[X-Maniac]

I fear the marrow has been well and truly sucked dry in here.

Most of the criticisms and responses could now so easily be cut and pasted into the thread.

It's been a good thread at times for the points raised and the arguments given on both sides, but the horse ain't so much dead and flogged as cooked, rendered and turned into dog food and glue.

 

[danoyse]

Yep. It's funny how this works. There's quite a generation gap. Prior to the first X-Men film, my parents, aunts, and uncles were much more likely to know who the Incredible Hulk was as opposed to somebody like Rogue or even Wolverine. The Hulk had received much more exposure outside of his comic book origins than the X-Men. There was only one successful translation of the X-Men beyond their comic book counterparts. Aside from that, anybody unfamiliar with comic books probably wouldn't have heard of them, which is why most people younger than the Animated Series' demographic weren't familiar with them… whereas the Hulk had spawned multiple cartoons dating back as early as the 60s. Likewise, he had multiple television shows/movies spanning the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

That said, I think the X-Men are making up plenty of ground and are thus far having an easier time reaching newer generations as opposed to the Hulk.

That's very true. I knew the Hulk from the Bill Bixby TV series--I loved that show when I was little. So there were tons of toys and whatever. In fact, I remember the kid next door was so into the Hulk he used to imitate the whole rage thing and bunch up his muscles--he was about 4, it was quite funny.

But X-Men I really only knew from the old arcade game we had up at school. I don't remember them being all that popular when I was a kid. I knew who a few of the characters were, but I was out of the demographic by the time the cartoon started, so I missed that whole craze until the first movie came out.

Now I'd say their popularity is about even...I think X-Men definitely has the edge because their movies were much more successful.

 

[danoyse]

I can't see any reason for it to stay open either.

Of course, the same argument will just continue into a different thread.

 

[gambitfire]

^that sounds like reason.

This thread is to express an opinion. Because a few ppl, don't agree with it and end up in endless arguments, is an unfair reason to close it. If we don't have this thread, then where do we discuss this? Sadly there has been little discussing going on around here. None the less, i see no reason to close it. If anything we should start an official debate thread. Which might be pointless until ppl learn to accept opinions, or even another's point of view.


Edit- OH WAIT!! this is the disappointed thread!! lol. Why not just merge it with the if you don't like the movie thread and then change to title to if you don't like or where dissapointed?

 

[gambitfire]

It's the BEST! I'm up to about 6 times so far...although even I had to take a break after doing it twice in a row last time.

Twice in a row is awesome, my cousin beat me he did 4 times (of course he didn't enjoy the park as much). What about your dueling dragons count? I'm only on 3.

Front row of course. t:

Have you been in the mummy?! It's amazing!!

 

[AssMan]

This thread is to express an opinion

The problem is as just about everyone here has shown they are to immature & can not ****ing believe it when someone does not agree with them. They are **** shocked

Because a few ppl, don't agree with it and end up in endless arguments

This falls back to everyone here being to immature & very childish when it comes to difference of opinions its agree with them or die here

is an unfair reason to close it

Why keep a thread open when everyone posting in it just to immature to have a reasonable discussion ? Like I said its agree with them or die & until users learn to I dont know GROW UP threads like these should be closed only to if you ask me open their damn eyes. If threads get closed blame the idiots that can not accept the fact that people have different opinions

If we don't have this thread, then where do we discuss this? i see no reason to close it

Find another board or wait until some people here grow up which more then likely will never happen

OH WAIT!! this is the disappointed thread!

Another problem is the lovers keep coming into disappointment threads & ruining threads meant for people who do not like the movie & this alone causes alot of problems. The mods need to up their game & be strict about this. If the lovers want to love this movie there are threads for it & its another reason why threads like these go off topic & get ruined. Blame the lovers for this one. In my opinion there are more reasons to close this thread then keep it open.

Lock it Lightning maybe if the lovers stop ruining threads meant for people who were disappointed with the movie & if people GROW UP (which wont happen this generation) there may one day be reasonable debates & discussios but this generation is not the time for these types of threads

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's settled then.

The thread will remain open for the rest of the day. Thereafter, if you have a specific complaint you may post a targeted thread to discuss that subject only.

 

[liamoversion2]

I don't see why it should be closed.

I think it's a great testament... many people didn't like the movie and it's good to be reminded that one isn't going crazy when you can see this on the main page.

Also, I don't personally think it's good practice to close a thread when suddenly the debate gets a little heated - that's perfectly natural. You've got two sets of people who believe two entirely opposing things... most of them are polarised. How could that not cause friction?

I remember having threads closed down before that were only very slightly inflamatory. It was just really strange actually.

 

[La_She-Beast]

I think this topic should be closed or merged. Always the same people arguing... it's getting tiring. Even though I agree with some criticisms against X3... it's just "No, I'm right" or "you can't respect my opinion". Please, let's move on.

 

[Leon the Professional]

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[Leon the Professional]

It's settled then.

The thread will remain open for the rest of the day. Thereafter, if you have a specific complaint you may post a targeted thread to discuss that subject only.

May I ask what exactly is the reason for the thread being closed?

Most all threads eventually run their course but are not closed for it.

There is nothing wrong with the subject of the thread. If you disapprove of the manner in which some people are posting in this thread, then warn them about it. If people still persist to post unacceptably after your warnings, then close it.

I don't see what is wrong with vigorous debating, as long as people do not resort to arguing their side with insults and crude language in the place of substance.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Close it lightning... just let it go people... not everything can be the Godfather... heck even Godfather three sucked ass... I was disappointed with the movie but I myself along with many other are tired of hearing the hate about the flick

 

[AssMan]

I myself along with many other are tired of hearing the hate about the flick

Its not that people are complaining about this movie. Its the users VS users over opinion because neither side can just accept the fact that there are people who like & the majority on this board as a whole hate the movie. It is just getting out of hand. As I keep saying both sides are to immature & very childish to just have a reasonable debate. It shows every day.

 

[Theweepeople]

Why punish the people who aren't causing problems in this thread with closing it? Why not warn or ban the people who keep starting these fights? Closing this thread will set a horrible example for what happens to people who troll in threads with the obvious intent of insulting those with different opinions. If this thread closes then the people who start these fights win and they will go into other threads and do the same thing. I guess I don't mind if this thread is combined with the "if you don't like the movie post here" one. Just please don't close it.

If anyone can show me an example where I started a fight against someone with a different opinion I would appreciate it. I've never received any complaints from the mods about my behavior so I don't see why anyone would associate me with the posters who are acting immature in this thread.