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There is no point in closing this thread because the fights will just move on to another thread. Bans are the only solution for the name calling. I agree with Theweepeople, punish those that are causing the problem.
 
Please don't close this thread. Messageboards are best, when you get to debate over things. Everyone does not like the same things, and people on both sides (love or hate) should be allowed to express their opinions, whether it be positive or negative. Really, keeping this thread helps to keep it from spreading to other threads.

As with all debates, there will be arguments here and there, but for the most part I think this thread has been civil. Those who are name-calling should be punished, but I don't think others who like this thread should suffer because of one or two people.

If people don't want to read others complaining (or nitpicking) about X3, then they should just avoid this thread. Simple as that, lol. :o
 
Twice in a row is awesome, my cousin beat me he did 4 times (of course he didn't enjoy the park as much). What about your dueling dragons count? I'm only on 3. :(

Front row of course. :woot:

Only did Dueling Dragons once...it was OK, but it was too crowded to wait for the front row so we missed out on most of the effect.

Last time I was there I was with my friends and their kids, and they were obsessed with Dudley Do-Right and the Popeye ride. We couldn't get them away from those. One of them wanted to go on the Hulk, but he was wayyy too small. So I bought him a 3D magnet of it to take home.

Have you been in the mummy?! It's amazing!! :wow:

That was the BEST!!! I've been on that one twice. I love the last part. :up:
 
Time for some more Q and A kinberg madness from thexverse.com


What do ya "honestly" think of the title X-Men: The Last Stand? ( I like it)... what did ya have in mind for the title, as you were writing it?

*I like it. I didn’t have any title in mind. We always put X3 on the front page of the script. I think “The Last Stand” gives a good sense of the serious nature of the film, and obviously a “war to end all wars” vibe.

A war to end all wars? You've got to be kidding me Simon? I didn't see a war in X3. I did see a poorly planned pharmaceutical raid and silly looking skirmishes between mutants. I hope your definition of peace isn't as warped as your definition of war.

Why do ya think there is so much hate from some sites about this movie? I'm curious to hear your point of view on this...I mean most of us...hope the movie will be GREAT......but if its not.....its not the end of the world. Lol, life WILL go on...its just a movie....we'll always have the comics to go back to

*I wish I knew why there was so much bad blood about this film from certain sites. Obviously, most sites and fans have been really supportive (the superherohype polls have always been incredibly encouraging). I honestly think that part of the hate is skepticism due to Bryan Singer’s absence. I understand the concern, because the first two films were great, and everyone wants continuity in a trilogy. But Brett was very loyal to the tone and themes of Bryan’s universe, and he was a real student of the comics. I also think some of the hating has to do with Brett's public persona – certain folks love his movies, but love to hate him because he lives the life we all want (fast cars, beautiful women, cool parties).

You have no idea why there is so much bad blood Simon? You don't think fans should have been concerned about the following:

Tom Rothman's amazing ability to hire hack directors to direct and ruin franchises that had blockbuster potential(Rob Bowman, Paul WS Anderson, Jean-Pierre Jeunet)

Zak Penn being the writer for the following films(Last Action Hero, PCU, Inspector Gadget, and Electra).

You being the writer for the following film(XXX2).

The first X3 script released on Ain't it Cool News that most fans hated.

Avi Arad's comments about how great X3 would be after he said ManThing, Daredevil, and Electra would be great Marvel films.

Fox's reputation for having a history of hiring hack directors, cutting films budgets, cutting films running times, and rushing the productions of their films.

Matthew Vaughn leaving the X3 project a few weeks before shooting.

The hiring of Brett Ratner who called the horribly reviewed Superman Lives script "flawless". During his short stint with Warner Brothers he even lied in an interview with Ain't it cool News about changes that were going to be made to the Superman script. Then he said the same thing about the controversial X-Men 3 script being "flawless" shortly after being hired.


As JP previously mentioned about the posters, they have been well received by fans. The style is Very simple and artistic, not what one would expect in a superhero film poster. My question is are these posters an echo of the overall style of the Movie? for Example they seem to be photographing the characters rather than the powers..is this somthing we can Expect to see in the film?

*I think they are an echo of the film, in terms of being more serious and dramatic, and truly centered on character. We tried to make a superhero movie that was all about these complex people at the core, rather than their powers. I’m extremely proud of the fact that there are a large number of real dialogue scenes in this film, with no action or effects.

Sure Simon. I was amazed at all the scenes were Callisto, Storm, Juggernaut, Collosus, Pyro, and Angel received significant character development over scenes that showcased their powers.:whatever:

Has you liking for AICN been lowered because of Harry's recent bashing of X3

*Not really. Harry is entitled to his opinions, and he has strong ones. I don’t always agree with him, but I do like his passion. At the end of the day, I know he’s going to be pleasantly surprised by our film, so I’m not sweating it too hard.

Nice prediction Simon. I strongly suggest that you never try to start a career as a psychic.



If the plot of the movie was entirely about the Phoenix Saga, without the mutant cure idea, Do you think this one will be a more challenging and more interesting plot to write knowing that this is one of the most known stories in the x-men universe? Who knows, you can bring in the Hellfire club members and go with the classic storyline just made modernish... excuse me for the wrong grammar.

*One of the things that works so well in X2 is the number of parallel subplots. We wanted to have the same operatic structure to our film, so we could follow a number of different stories. The Phoenix Saga is the main emotional throughline, but it’s bolstered by having other supporting plots.

If the phoneix saga was supposed to be the main storyline then why wasn't more time spent to make Jean/Phoenix interesting, her personality less similar to a zombie, and her motivations more clear?


what is the difference in style between bryon and brett? i know ratner is trying to stay faithful to the first two movies but does this mean that he will try to mimic what was done in X1 and X2? Or will there be a clear-cut difference between the first two and the third? Also, will the characters personalities differ in X3? Vaughn had mentioned that he wanted to "toughen" them up and i was wondering if brett was going to do something similar

*I didn’t work with Bryan. But the difference in their film styles is definitely pronounced. While Brett was true to the tone, theme, and general rules of the first two films, he put his own stamp on the franchise, making a slightly more emotional movie. Also, the action in this film is much bigger in physical scope than X1 or X2.

This is all relative but, I would really like for you to tell me which scenes in X3 made it a more emotional film than X2 Simon. In regards to the action I agree that X3 had a lot of action it's just a shame that it lacked the inteligent action of the previous films.


More of a little hope than a direct question: At the start of X2, Wolverine met a white wolf at Alkali Lake...which I've always thought might have been Snowbird, the Canadian mountie and shapeshifter who assumes the forms of animals of the far north. That would indeed be a useful and visually interesting person to be fighting alongside the X-Men in X3, perhaps recruited by the team when they are back at Alkali Lake searching for Jean or doing whatever else they are doing there! I also have a little hope we might see Darkstar, the Russian mutant whose power to manifest a cosmic 'darkforce' as a shroud of darkness or as solid projections and shapes of black energy would also be great visually. Am I dreaming hopelessly?

*Sorry, can’t talk about new characters.


So much for your "If something seems outside the realm of possibility for our film, then I usually fess up to it." statement.

Simon you said rogue's confidence will be tested,I hope that doesn't mean she will just be an object of pity.Will she be more mature and stronger emotionally by the end of x3,and will be more at ease with her powers?

*She grows up in many ways, and her confidence evolves significantly. Her relationship to her powers is a big part of her emotional journey in this film.

Oh really Simon. So Rogue getting rid of her powers is a great display of someone becoming more mature and confident with oneself?


WHat makes X3 different then x1 and x2?

*Many things. In no particular order: the rise of the Phoenix, the emergence of a mutant cure, more emotionality, bigger action, more teamwork from the X-Men, a few fan-favorites from the comics that we haven’t seen in the franchise, Beast, Angel, Kitty, Juggernaut, Callisto, and some shocking plot twists.

Well, some of this is true. I just thought the last part of the second sentence should be changed to shockingly bad plot twists.
 
Wow, Simon actually said he didn't understand why the fans hated X3 or were hating on it? The reasons you pointed out were and are valid reasons for the hate/concerns.

The more I read his answers, the more I believe he shouldn't have interacted with us(the fans) at all.

Not saying he couldn't have done an interview here or there, but in retrospect, all he did was give certain fans false hope that they would be experiencing the trilogies of all trilogies. When that didn't happen he just disappeared and had Zakk do the spinning for him afterwards.

Zakk, in my opinion, was the more honest of the two and didn't go out of his way to intentionally mislead the fanbase audience of the X-Men. Even though he did take part in some lies as well; he didn't go to the lengths than Kinberg did.

Speaking of which Wee, do you happen to have any of Penn's Questions and Answers? I think adding them here would be a nice change of pace and add some variety.
 
Simon keeps getting caught up on how X3 was more emotional than Bryan's films, and that, Brett made a more emotional film, but for the life of me, I cannot see how X3 is even remotely near the amount of emotion and impact that the first two films offered.
 
Simon keeps getting caught up on how X3 was more emotional than Bryan's films, and that, Brett made a more emotional film, but for the life of me, I cannot see how X3 is even remotely near the amount of emotion and impact that the first two films offered.

I second that notion. :csad:
 
Simon keeps getting caught up on how X3 was more emotional than Bryan's films, and that, Brett made a more emotional film, but for the life of me, I cannot see how X3 is even remotely near the amount of emotion and impact that the first two films offered.

I disagree. There was of course more emotion in Brett's movie. The first time in the entire franchise we saw passion/romance between Scott and Jean; Beast's reaction to Leech's power; Jean's emotions in the infirmary; Mystique being cured; Angel's scenes; Storm's eulogy. Where the movie disappointed people was in creating short emotional scenes that can appear disconnected and not fully expanded. We wanted more scenes from Angel, Beast, Phoenix and Storm and more of Cyclops in every way.

The emotions in X3 were more explicit, more passionate, more dramatic.
Because of this, people began to care for the characters -- then they didn't get more scenes to deliver the full story they wanted. Thus, Jean stands around like a zombie, Angel rescues his dad and just flaps off into the night, etc. The emotion was there but it was in short bursts.

Bryan's films are colder, the emotions are mostly inside, you have to interpret what people might be thinking.

I agree Bryan is better at storytelling. He has a different approach to the X-movies - darker, moodier, repressed, internalised, victimised. It suits the X-Men at times, but not all the time. Being in the X-Men is not supposed to be like one big period pain.

All three movies have lacked in 'warmth' between the characters. It was like the X-Men were workers at the mansion who happened to bump into each other at the water cooler and otherwise were totally cold and distant and unconnected. Things like Storm and Jean's friendship were totally omitted.
 
I disagree. There was of course more emotion in Brett's movie. The first time in the entire franchise we saw passion/romance between Scott and Jean; Beast's reaction to Leech's power; Jean's emotions in the infirmary; Mystique being cured; Angel's scenes; Storm's eulogy. Where the movie disappointed people was in creating short emotional scenes that can appear disconnected and not fully expanded. We wanted more scenes from Angel, Beast, Phoenix and Storm and more of Cyclops in every way.

The emotions in X3 were more explicit, more passionate, more dramatic.
Because of this, people began to care for the characters -- then they didn't get more scenes to deliver the full story they wanted. Thus, Jean stands around like a zombie, Angel rescues his dad and just flaps off into the night, etc. The emotion was there but it was in short bursts.

Bryan's films are colder, the emotions are mostly inside, you have to interpret what people might be thinking.

I agree Bryan is better at storytelling. He has a different approach to the X-movies - darker, moodier, repressed, internalised, victimised. It suits the X-Men at times, but not all the time. Being in the X-Men is not supposed to be like one big period pain.

All three movies have lacked in 'warmth' between the characters. It was like the X-Men were workers at the mansion who happened to bump into each other at the water cooler and otherwise were totally cold and distant and unconnected. Things like Storm and Jean's friendship were totally omitted.

I agree. Probably due to its length, X3 has less time to deal with each individuals problems and situations, that perhaps people failed to notice the "emotional" scenes. The Beast/Leech moment is a great example. It shows Beast's feelings on this matter perfectly, but ends too quickly for anybody to really register it.

Also, I always felt as if Storm and Jean should interact in some way. Even in X2, on board the jet, they felt more like work colleagues than "sisters", like they are supposed to be.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why those who liked the movie are still in this thread? I guess in order to really enjoy the full purpose of it I'll have to place them on ignore.

I truly do not agree with Simon saying X3 is more emotional than X1/X2. Bryan did creat a much darker, more somber, and colder world in the first two films involving the X-Men. However, it's because of that tone/atmosphere it seemed more realistic and you believed their struggle more than anything else.

X3 didn't allow me to care about the characters. I didn't sense any passion, any emotion, and everything that was established in the first two films were very much ignored in this one. Not saying the first two films were perfect/created by Jesus Christ himself. But as a whole the mistakes that X1/X2 had didn't really ruin the quality of the film itself(IMO).

X-Men 3 just seemed to have more action, more eye candy visuals, and more kinetic energy to please those who felt the action was lacking. In any case I do not agree with the emotion or the passion in X3.

If anything that what was truly lacking in X3.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why those who liked the movie are still in this thread ?

This is where ALOT of the trouble starts. If the users here want this thread open they need to ask the mods to ask those who loved this movie to stay out of this thread. Most of the trouble in this thread starts with the lovers coming in
 
I agree. Probably due to its length, X3 has less time to deal with each individuals problems and situations, that perhaps people failed to notice the "emotional" scenes. The Beast/Leech moment is a great example. It shows Beast's feelings on this matter perfectly, but ends too quickly for anybody to really register it.
:up: I felt I couldn't either chew or taste that scene.
 
Well the supposed "emotional scenes" in X3 can really be placed upon the shoulders of Brett Ratner. Ratner, on more than one ocassion, stated that he has a short attention span when filming or when watching a film. So rather than concentrate on the impact within that scene, he wants to immediately move to the next scene to keep it moving.

To me that's bad filmmaking. I truly feel the "emotional moments" of X3 could've been expanded upon with extended dialogue, longer scenes in general, and better writing to establish what makes it that much more powerful.

It's part of the reason why I say films like Edward Scissorhands, Batman Begins, Lord of the Rings, Schindlers List, Rocky, Terminator 1 and 2, Ghost, Mrs. Doubtfire, One Hour Photo, The Godfather, and etc, etc... as being classic films that present the theme intelligently and close it intelligently.

As I said before, X1/X2 are far from perfect. Believe me when I say that there are some things I'm not happy with regarding those films. The changes to characters and themes didn't bother me because the story, the acting, and what Singer did was so great that it didn't affect the quality of it.

It just seemed to me that Fox wanted to do a film that just pleased more of the general audience than the comic book fanbase. Granted the general audience is the core audience to an extent. However, the comic book fanbase is what you should pay attention to the most.

Fans of the comics know the material, respect the material, and expect to see their favorite stories brought to life in a faithful/respectful way. It's something that Fox didn't care to do, as they were more interested in money rather than artistic quality. Had they respected the artistic quality of a director and didn't have such supposed "strict parameters", the films in general would've been much better than they were.
 
They could've put much more emotion in the movie if it wasn't so rushed. I don't what genius decided the movie had to be 1 hour and 45 minutes. And Ratner was proud of the fact that they almost didn't have to cut any scenes.
 
I don't get where there isn't any warmth in the other films? X1 has more emotion than anything in X3, that, and the fact that the scenes were given enough time to sink in and last...you people are talking about X3 having more emotion, but it was in short, spastic bursts...that's not more emotion if you can't experience it for yourself.

X1: Opening scene at Auschwitz, overcomes any emotional scene in X3, in my opinion. What an impact, what a way to introduce a character, to help us understand him, and in the end to help us care.

X1:Rogue's introduction scene. We see her fiesty nature, the tension in the scene is there, the anticipation, then it's all stripped away in one moment.

X1: Conversation between Xavier and Magneto at the Senate hearing. The history between the two is there and you can feel the companionship between the two, the emotion goes up and down, you feel compassion for one another.

X1:The conversation between Rogue and Wolverine when they first meet has some emotion, when they reveal a little about who they actually are. "So, what kind of a name is Rogue?" "I don't know, what kind of a name is Wovlerine?" "Name's Logan" "Marie" it's subtle, but present. There began a connection between the characters, but it's interupted.

X1: The conversation between Logan and Marie at the train station is another one that, to me, isn't comparable to X3, we care about the characters, we understand what they're going through.

X1: When Xavier has been "poisoned" by Mystique, the monologue by Cyclops is more powerful than anything X3 offered with Cyclops. We care about his character yet again.

X1: Senator Kelly and Storm's talk, yeah some complain that Storm, "I suppose, sometimes I am afraid of dem." that the line has no background, but still she has emotion, she has a fear...and that beats her throwing more lightning around, having a chic haircut, and an angry stance about some political issue anytime.

X1: The liberty scene towards the end, when Magneto stops Wolverine from destroying the machine, and we're waiting for Cyclops to do something, the tension is unbearable, "Scott, wait!"

X1: Logan attempting to revive Marie, again, beats X3 stuff for me.

X1: The little conversation between Logan and Jean, "You know, I think she's a little taken with you." "Tell her my heart belongs to someone else" There is warmth among the characters.

X1: End conversation between Logan and Rogue.

These are all of course my own opinions, but don't tell me that X3 is CLEARLY more emotional than the first two...because clearly to me, it isn't.
 
Its not that people are complaining about this movie. Its the users VS users over opinion because neither side can just accept the fact that there are people who like & the majority on this board as a whole hate the movie.
No, not the majority. Take a look at the "Rate X3" poll (and other polls) and you´ll see that the majority of users here think it´s "Great". The minority hate it, but it´s a very vocal minority, so there you go.
 
No, not the majority. Take a look at the "Rate X3" poll (and other polls) and you´ll see that the majority of users here think it´s "Great". The minority hate it, but it´s a very vocal minority, so there you go.

Take into account also that the poll itself was taken immediately on the day X3 was released. Opinion has changed some over the time. I'm quite sure a lot of people loved the film, bought the DVD, wrote rave reviews, and etc, etc.....

However, quite a few people hated it too. Hence the "mixed reception" aspect of the film itself.

It deviated too much from the source material for my liking. Maybe if they stuck with the material and didn't allow politics win over artistic creativity, then perhaps the general consensus would be that the film is a masterpiece and is critically acclaimed.
 
No, not the majority. Take a look at the "Rate X3" poll (and other polls) and you´ll see that the majority of users here think it´s "Great". The minority hate it, but it´s a very vocal minority, so there you go.

Not anymore.

33.33% think it's 'Poor'.
24.60% think it's 'Decent'.
18.25% think it's 'Something Between Decent and Poor.'
16.67% think it's 'Very Good'.
7.14% think it's 'X-Cellent'.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258783&page=17
 
Frankly, I've seen movie franchises go down the tubes with bad sequels...Superman III and IV are the first that come to mind. I remember seeing Alien 3 on opening night and the audience actually booing within the first 20 minutes of the movie. Or I can just look up the millionth sequel to nearly every good horror movie ever made (The Exorcist, Halloween, A Nightmare on Elm Street).

To me, this is far from one of them. Should have been better? Absolutely. But I went in thinking the movie might be terrible, and was surprisingly happy with it. Not my favorite of the 3, but not left with that empty Alien 3-feeling, either.

I can see why the bigger comics fans are ticked off about it. I may not be the most knowledgable comics person (I learn from you guys :)), but I am a big Star Wars fan who's still bummed about most of the prequel trilogy, so I can relate.

But there are so many factors figuring in to what we ultimately got it's pointless to blame it on one single person. You had a studio who clearly didn't have a clue about the source material or the fans who truly love it...we had a director who, bottom line, ended a movie on a cliffhanger with no one signed on for a sequel. Then they got screwed by a second director deciding to jump ship in pre-production.

Still, for my money...it could have ended up a lot worse.
 
Frankly, I've seen movie franchises go down the tubes with bad sequels...Superman III and IV are the first that come to mind. I remember seeing Alien 3 on opening night and the audience actually booing within the first 20 minutes of the movie. Or I can just look up the millionth sequel to nearly every good horror movie ever made (The Exorcist, Halloween, A Nightmare on Elm Street).

To me, this is far from one of them. Should have been better? Absolutely. But I went in thinking the movie might be terrible, and was surprisingly happy with it. Not my favorite of the 3, but not left with that empty Alien 3-feeling, either.

I can see why the bigger comics fans are ticked off about it. I may not be the most knowledgable comics person (I learn from you guys :)), but I am a big Star Wars fan who's still bummed about most of the prequel trilogy, so I can relate.

But there are so many factors figuring in to what we ultimately got it's pointless to blame it on one single person. You had a studio who clearly didn't have a clue about the source material or the fans who truly love it...we had a director who, bottom line, ended a movie on a cliffhanger with no one signed on for a sequel. Then they got screwed by a second director deciding to jump ship in pre-production.

Still, for my money...it could have ended up a lot worse.

I think Lucas should've just had Revenge of the Sith as the only Star Wars prequel.

That was so much better than the previous ones.
 
I think Lucas should've just had Revenge of the Sith as the only Star Wars prequel.

That was so much better than the previous ones.

I could write a novel about what should have been different about the Star Wars prequels. Trust me, you don't want me to get started. :wow:
 
It's part of the reason why I say films like Edward Scissorhands, Batman Begins, Lord of the Rings, Schindlers List, Rocky, Terminator 1 and 2, Ghost, Mrs. Doubtfire, One Hour Photo, The Godfather, and etc, etc... as being classic films that present the theme intelligently and close it intelligently.

Mrs. Doubtfire?? Really? :huh:

I'm not making fun of you (honestly!)...it just seemed an odd one to belong in that list. :oldrazz:
 
Frankly, I've seen movie franchises go down the tubes with bad sequels...Superman III and IV are the first that come to mind. I remember seeing Alien 3 on opening night and the audience actually booing within the first 20 minutes of the movie. Or I can just look up the millionth sequel to nearly every good horror movie ever made (The Exorcist, Halloween, A Nightmare on Elm Street).

Fans actually booed Aliens 3 after the first 20 minutes?!!!! That's pretty funny and I can understand the reaction. That movie was falsely advertised worst than X3. The teaser trailer had the film set on Earth and the first script had a Blade Runner setting. That movie was a piece of crap but, I can only remember a few theater experiences when fans starting booing. X3, Batman and Robin, and Star Wars:The Phantom Menace come to mind. I only remember hearing a few boos for these movies. The most shocking boos I ever heard were for Lord of the Rings:The Fellowship of the Ring.:wow: I even have a friend who hates Lord of the Rings with a passion but, loves Harry Potter.:huh:
 
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