Superman Returns I'm not the biggest Supes fan, whats th general consensus on this film?

[NinjaCarm]

I'm a Spider-Man guy. I like Superman but won't be to worried if they mess up certain things like needless to say they did in the Spider-Man movies.

I liked Superman Returns but some things just bothered me.

1. Flat personality on Superman ( I thought Clark Kent was more entertaining to watch!)

2. Lois Lane kinda pushing it with her attitude.

3. Superman's kid --- what are they gonna do with him now???

4. After more than a decade without a Superman movie all they do is REHASH on prevoius Superman movies???

5. Superman's haircut was too damn perfect!


I wanna see something different already with Superman, as in some cool as villans with some cool as action, hell bring him to some other planet if you have to.

So again, these were things that bothered me, as Superman fans are you guys feeling the same or have other gripes?

 

[The Kid]

Well, and I say this as someone who's been hanging around here waaaaaaaaay too long... Generally you'll find two extremes around here and only one extreme at bluetights.

BEST MOVIE EVER!! CHANGED MY LIFE.

and

TOTALLY UNORIGINAL REHASH!!! A LOAD OF GARBAGE THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE EVER BEEN MADE and DISRESPECTS THE SOURCE MATERIAL THAT HAS DEVELOPED SINCE THE DAYS OF REEVE AND HACKMAN!!!!1 ARGHHHH AND THE SUIT SUCKS.

Then you'll find a lot of indifferent to lukewarm opinions in the middle: Eh, it was ok I guess... that sort of thing.

I'd say bluetights leans more towards the first side that believe it's "teh betterz dan batman beginz!1" and SHH superman forums though usually a place for a group of smug fanboyz who hate anything that isn't perfectly like the comic has surprisingly a more level headed opinion and more objective outlook on the film.

Which to me is: Undeniably the fx were great, acting good, though the story was quite flawed.

Comparitively I'd say as a supes fan, we're standing in the same puddle at this point as batfans after Forever. you could probably say the same for supes fans after the dissapointing SMIII was released.

Yeah, and I'm with you on that part about finally getting a superbrawl, not skyhigh.

 

[AgentPat]

...as Superman fans are you guys feeling the same or have other gripes?

Umm....

Oh hell, what Wesyeed said.

 

[ultimatefan]

As far as I can tell, there isn´t one. There are fans who love it and fans who hate it. Think Batman Returns.

 

[SupermanCan]

As far as I can tell, there isn´t one. There are fans who love it and fans who hate it. Think Batman Returns.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Superman Returns isn't a bad movie, but Superman deserves a better overall film.

 

[Halcohol]

I'm for the most part an X-Men fan. I believe that Spider-Man 2 is the best comic book movie ever made. All that considered...

Superman Returns is pretty cool. The action (as much of it as there is) blew my mind, and I'm not a big enough Superman fan to really care about how they messed with the plot. This movie also made me appreciate James Marsen, because he's pretty good.

I thought Kevin Spacey did alright as Lex Luthor, it wasn't as good or worse as Hackman's, it was simply different. Which was fine with me. Brendan Routh is probably the second best thing about this film, after the special effects. Kate Bosworth is a terrible Lois Lane. She's not right for the character at all, but maybe some of the blame goes to the writers for not making her like Margot Kidder's Lois Lane.

As a strict Marvel fan, I give this movie 7.5/10.

EDIT: Another thing I really liked about SR was how well it conveyed the feeling of a hero returning. I got chills when they showed the entire city applauding his actions.

 

[The Kid]

As far as I can tell, there isn´t one. There are fans who love it and fans who hate it. Think Batman Returns.

Didn't I sorta say that already ultimate?

And nah, no way, Batman Returns is a classic. I'd have said think:

But I still think there's a general consensus. There's one for all cb movies.

 

[The Kid]

Umm....

Oh hell, what Wesyeed said.

I kinda feel honored...

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I think in ten years, people will look back on Superman Returns as the best of the 2000s superhero movie boom.

 

[matthooper]

I think in ten years, people will look back on Superman Returns as the best of the 2000s superhero movie boom.

If the entire world was neuralyzed. Really, I mean, will the delusion ever end?

Look, I respect your opinion for your love of the film, I do. I just don't think that the die hard defenders of the film understand that the general public has forgotten about the film. I'll even give you that the majority of people liked it. But I never hear people talking about it in the outside world. It never made it's mark. What would change in 10 years? Just because you loved it, doesn't mean you can magically make the public care about it.

In 10 years people will still identify Superman with Chris Reeve. It's that simple. Even if SR, is still talked about in 10 years, it will never be considered the best. There are simply too many people who even if they liked it, have generally short attention spans for it, and now could care less about it. For the most simplistic reason why it won't be considered the best, one only needs to see how polarizing the film is. There are simply too many haters and could care lessers.

 

[The Kid]

Sigh... matty...let the man speak.

I actually think that something like that's possible but I'm not that optimistic. It really isn't THAT good. Once we're further away from all the emotional attachments and stuff Returns may be looked upon with a more open mind for better or worse. For me, it's for worse. The kid just sucks so hard I can't enjoy this movie.

 

[matthooper]

Sigh... matty...let the man speak.

I actually think that something like that's possible but I'm not that optimistic. It really isn't THAT good. Once we're further away from all the emotional attachments and stuff Returns may be looked upon with a more open mind for better or worse. For me, it's for worse. The kid just sucks so hard I can't enjoy this movie.

True, maybe in 10 years SR will be looked upon more favorably, but as for the best comic film of the 2000's it would be tough to even crack the top 5, and there are still 4 years of more comic films.

After a decade, only cult films are looked upon as something more than what they were when they opened. That is usually because they were missed the first time around. SR was not missed, just not cared about much by the general movie going public. I can't imagine what would change in 10 years, unless a superior directors cut made the film better, and the public went nuts for it.

 

[matthooper]

All I’m trying to say is, what could change in 10 years? No one can argue the fact that the film was nowhere near a Spider-Man type hit. Even if you want to delude yourself into believing it was a big hit, it made over $200 million less than Spider-Man, and that is just domestically! It made almost $180 million less than Spider-Man 2 domestically. The numbers don’t lie. The general public was pretty indifferent about it days, weeks or months after they saw it, even if they liked it. Tell me why there would be a change in 10 years? If it didn’t create the buzz when it opened, why would it suddenly do it a decade later?

I didn’t like Batman Begins, in fact I liked it less than Superman Returns. However, in that case if someone said BB would be looked at as the best comic film of the 2000's in 10 years, I could see that. Everyone I have ever met or talked to absolutely loved it. It is the new definition of the Batman movie franchise. It actually re-defined Batman. That said, if you ask the general public in 10 years, they will probably still say Spider-Man 2, which is at the top of the list now for comic films of the 2000's. That film took the franchise to another level, and rose above the first, in the public’s eyes.

I respect anyone’s opinion for their love of it, but Superman Returns will never be the public’s definition of Superman, or a superior continuation of something great. It re-defined nothing in the franchise, and didn’t take it higher than where it already was. Maybe that was Singer’s intent, simply to continue a franchise he loved.

 

[Raith]

I think the problem with SR is that it has so much baggage from the Donner film. All Singer needed was the original score and less than a paragraphs worth of reference to Donner's film and he coulda gone in a totally different direction. The film had a lot of unused potential that was wasted on retreading old ground. And the kid was probably the biggest mistake of all...why why why?!?!

<sigh> All in all, it wasn't a complete disaster, but I highly doubt it's going to go down in history like any major accomplishment other than the fact it actually got made. Hopefully, Singer will let loose on more of an action adventure with a better villain in the next one. If so, that would probably do much better.

-Raith

 

[Ziggy]

But I never hear people talking about it in the outside world. It never made it's mark.

At first I'd tend to agree with you but honestly, I've talked to quite a few (non-comic fan) people and they were excited about Superman Returns releasing on DVD. Most of them only got to see it in the theater once, and I've heard mumblings about it around me even when I'm not talking about it. But that's just what I've heard.

That being said, I really liked the film. I'm not one of those people who is going to say it doesn't have any flaws - it certainly does - but I think it was the best movie of 2006 this far and was not a disappointment (like, say, Dead Man's Chest).

 

[Moviefan2k4]

I actually enjoyed "Superman Returns" more than "Dead Man's Chest".

 

[Maze]

At first I'd tend to agree with you but honestly, I've talked to quite a few (non-comic fan) people and they were excited about Superman Returns releasing on DVD. Most of them only got to see it in the theater once, and I've heard mumblings about it around me even when I'm not talking about it. But that's just what I've heard.

That being said, I really liked the film. I'm not one of those people who is going to say it doesn't have any flaws - it certainly does - but I think it was the best movie of 2006 this far and was not a disappointment (like, say, Dead Man's Chest).

Ditto.

and i tend to agree with Kevin too.

I guess we'll see in a few years.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't think so, but I can't tell the future. I think that Spider-Man will be considered the best, even though my opinion of the second movie is that it's tied with it's predecessor.

 

[DorkyFresh]

from what i know...general consensus is that it's a good (not great) film. i don't know of many non-comic fans who think it's a crappy film. even my friend who doesn't even like Superman said that even though it was predictable, it's still an okay film.

 

[matthooper]

from what i know...general consensus is that it's a good (not great) film. i don't know of many non-comic fans who think it's a crappy film. even my friend who doesn't even like Superman said that even though it was predictable, it's still an okay film.

See that's exactly true. I don't even think it's a crappy film. Just a dissapointing one. I've come to accept that most of the movie going public generally liked the film. However, no one can deny the publics general "take it or leave it" attitude. It's clearly reflected in the box office. What makes a film take in over $400 million domestic like Spider-Man in repeat viewings and major word of mouth. Not one person in my office asked if I had seen it or if they should see it. That has never happened with a blockbuster.

All I was saying is that nothing can drastically change in 10 years that would suddenly make it be considered the best comic film of the decade of the 2000's. Spider-Man 1 and 2 and Batman Begins will still top the list. It might be more respected in 10 years, but it will never be considered the best.

 

[Billy Batson]

Wesyeed, pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Ask yourself, if SR was so great, why all the debate? Over and Over and OVER again!!!

I don't think that the folks over at the forums have these issues.!?

I'm from this school of thought "TOTALLY UNORIGINAL REHASH!!! LOAD OF GARBAGE THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE EVER BEEN MADE and DISRESPECTS THE SOURCE MATERIAL THAT HAS DEVELOPED SINCE THE DAYS OF REEVE AND HACKMAN!!!!1 ARGHHHH AND THE SUIT SUCKS."

 

[Maze]

Ask yourself ,rather,one thing : why almost all the people who are just fan of movies that i encountered doesn't understand one thing about the issue that Fans have about the movie? :Superman irresponsible etc , the kid etc . most of the debates here are about that.


No Superman returns is not perfect.But it is a damn good film imo , not far from being a great one.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

I'm a Spider-Man guy. I like Superman but won't be to worried if they mess up certain things like needless to say they did in the Spider-Man movies.

I liked Superman Returns but some things just bothered me.

1. Flat personality on Superman ( I thought Clark Kent was more entertaining to watch!)

2. Lois Lane kinda pushing it with her attitude.

3. Superman's kid --- what are they gonna do with him now???

4. After more than a decade without a Superman movie all they do is REHASH on prevoius Superman movies???

5. Superman's haircut was too damn perfect!


I wanna see something different already with Superman, as in some cool as villans with some cool as action, hell bring him to some other planet if you have to.

So again, these were things that bothered me, as Superman fans are you guys feeling the same or have other gripes?

The general consensus is it was a critical success but a financial disapointment and could have used more action, less love story (something the director and WB is actually aware of).


And Kate's Lois actually had the least attitude of any of the Lois portrayals. If Kidder played the same part, it would have been pms central.

 

[Docker2.0]

When I seen it in theaters, I thought this was some worthless garbage and Singer needed to be shot. Then I thought maybe its one of those "better when you see it for the second time" so I bought the dvd. Man, this has got to be the most boring superhero flick ever! I showed it to my students at the hospital who were excited to see it at first, but once it started, after the 1st hour, half of them were asleep, and the other half were complaining about how horrible it is. Samething with my friends who saw it. They hated it. So I don't want to hear how I'm Superman bashing just cuase I didn't like it, which tends to be the 1st thing some people say when dislike this movie. Truth is, my crowd and all their friends tend to think it sux. I haven't found a single person I work with or hang out with that enjoyed it. Only people online. Sorry.

 

[ultimatefan]

I think in ten years, people will look back on Superman Returns as the best of the 2000s superhero movie boom.

I defend the movie and even I think that´s an overstatement. But I think a reevaluation will do it a lot of good. Dick Donner was so lucky he didn´t have to deal with Internet and rabid geeks in his day, now people don´t remember that, but his movie and the second - actually, even if you consider the Donner cut - took TONS of liberties with the old and current comics of the time. And yeah, the first one would probably be considered "boring" by today´s MTV-addicted/low attention spam audience, but it´s still an epic and heartfelt movie. And so is SR.