Superman Returns I'm not the biggest Supes fan, whats th general consensus on this film?

[The Caped Knight]

I believe that Spider-Man 2 is the best comic book movie ever made.

I agree 100%

 

[buggs0268]

Woahh , tell that to Riddley Scott , he would be really happy to know that in another timeline , Blade Runner was such a big hit .and the example are countless.

Ps: you have a representation of the Gp on imdb, rotten tomatoes , yahoo and countless sites .

The bottom line: believe or not Superman returns is liked.

so what? you have still your opnion?

Believe it or not it isnt. It only did good business (which is still considereed underperforming) before Pirates came out. Even when there is a hit movie, other movies still do well. SR dropped like a rock. It took very long to hit 200 mill. Warner's was giving high percentages for it to be kept in theaters (don't ask me for the link because it is in one of these threads). When it hit 200 mill it was dropped out of sight nearly the same day. Translation, the film needed to hit 200 mill for Warner's execs to show at least one of their films hit 200 mill to their investors with the stink of Poseidon, Lady in the Water, and Ant Bully all failing. The only reason it got near 200 mill is because of IMAX was contractually bound to keep it in their theaters till a certain date. And just read the quote from a NY Times article. Direct quote:

For Warner, the summer got off on the wrong foot, with the release of “Superman Returns.”
The New York Times article-October 8, 2006.

I don't know why this Yahoo, rotten tomatoes junk keeps coming in. Every board I go to SR is trashed. I really don't trust those boards because, as shown here a few times, the likers have created multiple screen names. Yep people been busted for it. And it is always someone who likes the film. Venom (RIP) would go around the net to every damn board and post in defense of SR. Ask Kakarot about his suit thread over at the WB site boards. So the fact is I don't trust any of those sites as far as SR is concerned.

 

[Maze]

Believe it or not it isnt. It only did good business (which is still considereed underperforming)

Never said the contrary , what are you tallking about?

Every board I go to SR is trashed. I really don't trust those boards because, as shown here a few times, the likers have created multiple screen names.

lol of course!!

it's obvious , let's say i'm buggs " if there are multiple defenders on this movie , they have of course multiple screen name"

yup proof?

If i follow your reasonning , why some haters would not have multiple screen names?

ridiculous .



funny , because, personnaly, i did read indeed bad comments AND especially good comments.


there's no place like the hype.


Bur you're welcome to give us the links

 

[ultimatefan]

Never said the contrary , what are you tallking about?


lol of course!!

it's obvious , let's say i'm buggs " if there are multiple defenders on this movie , they have of course multiple screen name"

yup proof?

If i follow your reasonning , why some haters would not have multiple screen names?

ridiculous .



funny , because i did read indeed bad comments AND especially good comments.


there's no place like the hype.


Bur you're welcome to give us the links

Yeah, and it´s not "junk" these sites have a huge number of visitors everyday who´re interested in movies, and the movie indeed gets a good rate, anyone can check it. The SHH boards is where you get the most hardcore, tough to please fanboys, the people who overanalyze and nitpick everything to death, and even here the movie has a pretty respectable defense line.

 

[Maze]

Yeah, and it´s not "junk" these sites have a huge number of visitors everyday who´re interested in movies, and the movie indeed gets a good rate, anyone can check it. The SHH boards is where you get the most hardcore, tough to please fanboys, the people who overanalyze and nitpick everything to death, and even here the movie has a pretty respectable defense line.

Exactly : one can take a look at the general movie forums.

but again , hey , the hard core lovers MUST have multiple user name..

it's funny but seeing how vocal are some the haters ( and agressive at that ) i would have the tendency to think that they have even more reasons in doing multiple screen name.

But theory not facts.

the facts , you have them in your post.

 

[Pickle-El]

Believe it or not it isnt. It only did good business (which is still considereed underperforming) before Pirates came out.

Look at all the movies this year. ONLY Pirates exceeded expectations. I love how people love to use absolute extremes to gauge whether or not SR 'flopped' or 'succeeded'.

Even when there is a hit movie, other movies still do well. SR dropped like a rock. It took very long to hit 200 mill.

Oh yeah.....it did 85 Million over 5 days.....THEN it ran into the biggest opening 10-day movie in HISTORY. And it continued its run to 200 million dollars despite going head to head with that kind of monster movie.

Warner's was giving high percentages for it to be kept in theaters (don't ask me for the link because it is in one of these threads).

You won't give a link because we all know this is purely hearsay. There is no somewhat credible article from Variety or the Hollywood Reporter.

When it hit 200 mill it was dropped out of sight nearly the same day. Translation, the film needed to hit 200 mill for Warner's execs to show at least one of their films hit 200 mill to their investors with the stink of Poseidon, Lady in the Water, and Ant Bully all failing.

Hey, 200 million is 200 million. Some people are just sour their predictions of the film stopping at 190 million didn't come to realization.

The only reason it got near 200 mill is because of IMAX was contractually bound to keep it in their theaters till a certain date.

AND? No one made those people who watched SR on IMAX go to the theatre. It's a choice to pay 10-20$ for viewing SR in that format. So, now it's SR's fault it broke record during its IMAX run? I guess BB would have never broken 200 million either if it wasn't for IMAX, making it 'less' of a movie than it was.

And just read the quote from a NY Times article. Direct quote:

For Warner, the summer got off on the wrong foot, with the release of “Superman Returns.”
The New York Times article-October 8, 2006.

Unless you're a stockholder, what this states doesn't matter in the least. We're talking about reception of SR as a movie. Please tell me what you use as an indicator of how well a movie did? Because last I counted, only 5 movies broke 200 million in the United States this year. (X3, Cars, SR, POTC2, and DVC) The DVD's are now on sale, the Video Game is being sold, various more tie-ins to the movie are STILL happening......you make it sound like the money stopped flowing in back during October. Once again, here's another

I don't know why this Yahoo, rotten tomatoes junk keeps coming in. Every board I go to SR is trashed.

Because as they say, 'birds of a feather flock together'. You do realize that about 20-25 million people watched SR in the US. And YET, the best indicator we have on how the movie did. (most popular places with the most user reviews) Well what a surprise......SR is averaging at least a B on those highly visited sites.

I really don't trust those boards because, as shown here a few times, the likers have created multiple screen names. Yep people been busted for it. And it is always someone who likes the film.

Please don't tell me about your personal 'battles' with Saph. Another for that one.

Venom (RIP) would go around the net to every damn board and post in defense of SR. Ask Kakarot about his suit thread over at the WB site boards. So the fact is I don't trust any of those sites as far as SR is concerned.

Yeah, you would stoop so incredibly low as to attempt to use Venom71 as an example to fit your personal vendetta....that doesn't surprise me, then again, I've seen your act Buggs. The things that you type on this boards are as ridiculous as anything I've ever read. One more for this last quote.......

 

[LadyVader]

If anybody asks why I like SR I just say: "it's cause I have ovaries" and the conversation ends right there.

 

[Brainiac 2009]

Ya thats an awful reason.


Its better to say you like it because they finally did Superman with dignity for the first time since 78.

 

[LadyVader]

I didn't say it was a good answer. but it does spare me the hassle of having to defend it.

 

[ultimatefan]

Exactly : one can take a look at the general movie forums.

but again , hey , the hard core lovers MUST have multiple user name..

it's funny but seeing how vocal are some the haters ( and agressive at that ) i would have the tendency to think that they have even more reasons in doing multiple screen name.

But theory not facts.

the facts , you have them in your post.

From my experience, the haters are always so vocal and agressive that they helped to form the image of geeks and fanboys as being nitpickers that are nearly impossible to please, that make people like Quentin Tarantino and Kevin Smith stay away from doing adaptations of major comics characters. The truth is, there´s a - somewhat - silent majority of fans who´re open-minded, want to like the movies, understand the differences between comics and film and know to enjoy the forest instead of picking endlessly on the trees. Unfortunately, because the hardcore picky geeks are so loud and insistent, the give the wrong impression that they represent the fandom. I remember Tobey Maguire once said he was sort of afraid of meeting a lot of weirdos after doing the Spidey movies but ended up realizing the fans who talked to him were basically nice and regular people.

 

[buggs0268]

On the week of October 27th, the same week it crossed the 200 mill domestic mark, it dropped 262 theaters this weekend and will only be playing in 41, a reduction of a whopping 86.5%. That is a fact as had been reported by IMDB on the week it happened. About two weeks earlier it had seen ajump in theater counts. This means that Warner's pushed it into all the second run theaters as much as it could. Then when it made 200 mill, they dropped it like a hot potato.

As far as offering 75% of the take to theater managers to keep it in their theaters, that is in one of the threads here. Go look it up yourself as I am tired of having to look it up.

"Studio executives say it will make a profit. But in bringing in only $389 million at the worldwide box office, “Superman Returns” failed to live up to prerelease expectations."

and of course

For Warner, the summer got off on the wrong foot, with the release of “Superman Returns.”
The New York Times article-October 8, 2006.

Most of the articles, such as the LA Times and NY times articles are now offline so I can not provide links to them.

 

[buggs0268]

How Superman “Made Money”

I was reading a Merrill Lynch study on equity funding of movies. And it finally occurred to me how Warner Bros could claim profitability for Superman Returns without getting sued by Time-Warner stockholders.
Here is the chart...

And here is the math...
Superman Returns grosses $392 million worldwide. That’s roughly $210 million in rentals. WB takes roughly $130 million in worldwide P&A and another $55 million in distribution off the top. That leaves $25 million for distribution toward participations and production.
Ancillaries on this movie look to be (generously) about $175 million net. That’s $200 million. WB takes half of that, $100 million… plus roughly $55 million in distribution fees… equals $155 million. Why, that would be a $5 million profit! And if you accept WB’s acknowledged cost on the picture of $210 million, you’d be looking at… taa dah!!!... a $50 million profit, as they claimed in the NY Times.
Of course, you have to overlook the $60 million in failed development costs… also acknowledged by WB. And the $30 million or $40 million in additional production costs that are generally acknowledged inside the non-publicity side of the studio as real. And my figure of $130 for worldwide publicity is generous, especially considering the long push to crack $200 million domestic (it happened last week) and the big money spent on weeks two and three and four of the domestic run. And any participants who might have gotten paid (did Bryan Singer have gross points?) are not offered here. But studios are good at hiding costs when they so wish, just as they are good at hiding profits when they so wish.
Best of all, by this accounting method, Legendary Pictures took an only-in-for-$105- million hit of $5 million and an it’s-really-$150-million hit of $50 million.


Well, as you see, WB gets to triple dip, while an equity partner has only one shot at breaking even or profiting. Recovered marketing costs also pay for permanent WB staff on the picture. Distribution returns are mostly profit. So is Superman Returns Again did 20% less at the box office ($400 million is nothing to sneeze at), the dollar flow looks like...
Production cost: $150 million
Total net: $310 million (on $315 million worldwide gross)
WB P&A - $120 million
WB Distribution – $40 million
WB Production - $75 million
Partner Production - $75 million
In other words, a breakeven movie, with $40 million in profit for WB, using this year’s SR calculation. And nothing for a partner. (Again, this is without profit participation.)
If SuperSinger II did the same business as the first, assuming costs are stable, you’re looking at:
Production cost: $150 million
Total net: $385 million (on $390 million worldwide gross)
WB P&A - $120 million
WB Distribution – $55 million
WB Production - $105 million
Partner Production - $105 million
That would be an $85 million profit for WB and a $30 million profit for a partner.
However… if the film ends up at $200 million cost and the same gross as this one…
Total net: $385 million (on $390 million worldwide gross)
WB P&A - $120 million
WB Distribution – $55 million
WB Production - $105 million
Partner Production - $105 million
$60 million profit for WB and $5 million profit for partner… on a $100 million investment. And if the film grossed less than SR… another loss for the investor.
http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/archives/business/

 

[GreenKToo]

well,I neither loved nor hated S.R..it wasnt perfect,but it wasnt crap either like alot claim...I just hope that we get a supervillian thats worthy of Superman...(no Zod)

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

It's garbage and ignited hate and anger in me that I didn't know could exist.