Indonesian 2 year old has 2 pack a day habit

[danoyse]

And I thought my 2-year-old nephew's addiction to watching cartoons on an iphone was getting to be a bit much.

I just saw that kid on the news, that's just disgusting.

 

[Marx]

I'm pretty sure the actions of the mother could be considered child abuse.

 

[danoyse]

I'm pretty sure the actions of the mother could be considered child abuse.

There's no question about that.

 

[The Battousai]

I think Sharia calls for due process in such cases, even if some Muslims don't beieve so.

Whatever that process may be, there are many parts of Sharia that make men far better off than women; one that comes to mind is that a man's testimony is worth twice that of a woman's.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

It's in Indonesia, so meh.

exactly

anyone who's letting this situation irritate them has to remember that it's a foreign, and third world country. Can't let it irritate you as there's nothing you can do about it

now if that took place in the states, you bet your sweet ass the parents would be jailed and the kid taken into custody.

 

[terry78]

And sadly the kid probably sounds like this.
[YT]ZP0-vj5qH3E[/YT]

 

[Figs]

I keep picturing Baby Herman from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?"...

Hahaha! Now I can't get that image out of my head.

 

[SuperFerret]

I'm pretty sure the actions of the mother could be considered child abuse.

Maybe if it were in this part of the world, but I doubt child welfare is a big issue over there.

Whatever that process may be, there are many parts of Sharia that make men far better off than women; one that comes to mind is that a man's testimony is worth twice that of a woman's.

Which certainly sucks for them, but that's their culture and society and while it may seem backwards from our POV, it's the way that they chose to live and it doesn't harm them, so who are we to judge?

 

[Raiden]

The 26 year old mother has been trying to get him to stop!?!?! He's two freaking years old! If you want him to stop, quit giving them to him!

The funny thing is that the mother claimed the tot would bang his head against the walls and injure himself if he wasn't given the cigarettes, but by letting her son have his 40-cigarette a day habit she's condemning him to die by lung cancer anyway. I'd say just let the kid suffer head injury instead; it'll do him good in the long run.

 

[SuperFerret]

You know cigarettes don't instantly mean death by lung cancer, right?

 

[The Battousai]

Which certainly sucks for them, but that's their culture and society and while it may seem backwards from our POV, it's the way that they chose to live and it doesn't harm them, so who are we to judge?

That's funny way of looking at inequality; wasn't that one of the rationales for segregation?

 

[Marx]

Maybe if it were in this part of the world, but I doubt child welfare is a big issue over there.

While that may be true, that still doesn't make it acceptable in any way.

The funny thing is that the mother claimed the tot would band his head against the walls and injure himself if he wasn't given the cigarettes, but by letting her son have his 40-cigarette a day habit she's condemning him to die by lung cancer anyway. I'd say just let the kid suffer head injury instead; it'll do him good in the long run.

It's no different than taking a toy away. Yeah, the kid is going to be upset and throw a tantrum...but he'll get over it. You're the parent, act like one. You know?

You know cigarettes don't instantly mean death by lung cancer, right?

...it does significantly increase your risk though.

 

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

You know cigarettes don't instantly mean death by lung cancer, right?

but a freaking 2 year old smoking 2 packs a day, it would be an act of god for him NOT to get lung cancer. So yea, she pretty much is condeming him

 

[Carcharodon]

but a freaking 2 year old smoking 2 packs a day, it would be an act of god for him NOT to get lung cancer. So yea, she pretty much is condeming him

I'd be equally worried about emphysema, really. That kid's lungs are literally going to start eating themselves before too long, certainly at a relatively young age.

 

[terry78]

We're not supposed to start ****ing up our health until we become of legal age, everyone knows that.

 

[Raiden]

You know cigarettes don't instantly mean death by lung cancer, right?

And binge eating on Big Macs all day long won't give your heart attack right away, but it will certainly heighten your risk for cardiac arrest, not to mention obseity and other health risks.

 

[SuperFerret]

That's funny way of looking at inequality; wasn't that one of the rationales for segregation?

I really don't care how life is in Indonesia. Life has to suck somewhere for someone, and there's always going to be inequality somewhere.

While that may be true, that still doesn't make it acceptable in any way.

It might not, but it's a waste of time getting your panties in a twist over something that you can't control in a place thousands of miles away where it's not illegal. You're not going to change things.

...it does significantly increase your risk though.

but a freaking 2 year old smoking 2 packs a day, it would be an act of god for him NOT to get lung cancer. So yea, she pretty much is condeming him

Hello, Indonesia? If this kid survives long enough to get lung cancer then he's lucky. Life dealt him a bad hand, and cigarettes or not, he was doomed from the get-go.

 

[SuperFerret]

And binge eating on Big Macs all day long won't give your heart attack right away, but it will certainly heighten your risk for cardiac arrest, not to mention obseity and other health risks.

Again, this is thinking as if the kid is in a country where medicine and safety is up to modern standards. I may have been joking in my original post, but unlike two year olds in the western world, this kid actually does have a good chance of being EATEN by something, cigarettes or not.

 

[Marx]

It might not, but it's a waste of time getting your panties in a twist over something that you can't control in a place thousands of miles away where it's not illegal. You're not going to change things.

I highly doubt anyone is 'getting their panties in a twist' over this. It was something that was pulled from the headlines and had a thread created on it for discussion...and we're discussing it.

 

[BlackLantern]

I find it both tragic and amusing

 

[SuperFerret]

I highly doubt anyone is 'getting their panties in a twist' over this. It was something that was pulled from the headlines and had a thread created on it for discussion...and we're discussing it.

I'm discussing it too. What I'm saying is that as much as we think this is abhorrent, whatever we think doesn't matter in the terms of what's happening to this child who for most of us lives on the other side of the world.

These news stories don't accomplish much more than giving people reason to stroke their own egos by talking about how horrible it is in these other places and such. It's little more than *********ion, only you're not as satisfied at the end. It's just another thing I dislike about the state of the world and how the average person views it.

 

[The Battousai]

Is that how you justify your own indifference to things like this?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Why are people blaming the mother? It was the father who got the kid hooked on the old cigerettos. The mother obviously doesn't want him smoking, but what is she gonna do about it? The father is obviously not a nice person, shes probably had a go at him about it, and he probably beat her down.

 

[SuperFerret]

No.

I'm indifferent to things like this because stuff like this happens all the time. Maybe there's not a ton of chain-smoking toddlers out there, but children being endangered and neglectful parents are nothing new and are everywhere, despite what people like to think.

To put it bluntly, **** happens, that's life. People kill each other and themselves. Children go hungry or die of diseases, both curable and incurable. Small social groups are persecuted and eliminated because of arbitrary differences from the majority. Animals kill and eat each other. The environment is changing in a multitude of ways, sudden and gradual, violent and peaceful. The world isn't this happy little place where everything is wonderful, but everything I mentioned doesn't discount all the good things in life either. You take the good with the bad and vice versa, and despite what you might have me think, being indifferent to a neglected child half a world away doesn;t make me a bad person.

 

[The Battousai]

I was referring to the things I had brought up, but whatever. I think the attitude that the world can't be improved is a damaging one that only helps keep things the way they are, and I'd like less people to be in s***** situations like women in Muslim theocracies or even people in the US who have to deal with the side effects of drug prohibition.

There's a difference between being cynical and being completely uncaring, and if you're in the latter category, I don't see how you can bother to claim any high ground on ethical matters.