The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[Dark Knight]

I want to get your suggestions on how intense and what kind of style of you want to see the fight sequences depicted in TDK. I want to see more of a Kill Bill style to the sequences with some more intensity! I also want to see Batman dish out more punishment and see him breaking more arms and legs! I want to see and hear the pain that Batman put on them. Another style would be similiar to the History of Violence style of fight sequences.

 

[Nepenthes]

Apart from the cinematography I really liked the fighting in BB. In the Asylum he just swoops and carries guys on his line. When Ra's ninjas attack he grabs the closest one and hurls himself of a balcony! More of that.

Kill Bill would be a little too stylised imo. If anything I'd prefer something between Ong Back and, yeah, Jason Bourne.

What TDK really needs is long steady shots of the battles. Such a waste to train the all actors and choreograph moves if you can't even see it go down. The fight training segment on the DVD features just pisses you off watching it, it's that good.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Nolan needs to take action direction from Martin Campbell (Casino Royale). WIDE, CLEAR shots please.....no quick, close shots like in Batman Begins. the fight scenes were one of my only gripes about the movie...

 

[sasquatchs]

Wide and clear is entirely against what Nolan was going for though. I loved that Batman comes out of nowhere and dispatches everyone before anything can develop. I don't want Batman in full view very often. Just needs to slow down the cuts a little.

 

[comic_guy04]

agreed

 

[DA Harvey Dent]

While many people complaing about the fighting sequences in BB, I liked them and hope Nolan keeps the same manner of shooting them without succumbing to the pressure to change it.

 

[superkong 500]

Well two things the animalistic approach in begins worked well, It should be kept in TDK but since batman most evolve in every aspect he should appear a bit more precise if you will when he fights. And nolan should let the fights play on camera and pull it back use wide shots, only cut when its nescesary from one angle to another but not to cause a disorienting efffect. We wanna see batman kicking ass not a camera having an epileptic seizure.

 

[El Payaso]

^ what superkong 500, flying giant ape of steel said.

 

[Stringer]

Something similar to Casino Royales fight scenes

 

[Nepenthes]

The Joker should keep fighting with two broken arms.

 

[AdmNelson]

One thing I'd love to see (which would both address the issue of fighting with a long cape, and would also look super-cool):

-- Batman is in the middle of several guys, fighting, when a guy grabs a fistful of his cape with both hands...

...Whereupon Batman spins, pulling the cape into a tightened thick "rope," and yanks HARD on the cape with one arm, sending the guy reeling towards him and SMACK -- into a straight right cross in the face (or a fast forearm gauntlet uppercut.) BOOM -- guy goes down hard.

Or (and this might be too "sci-fi," but it's an interesting idea) -- if Batman can send an electrical charge through his gloves to turn the cape into a glider, then why not give him the ability to electrify his entire suit and cape, even for a moment? That way, if several guys tried to grab him and overpower him, his entire suit could act like a taser and zap the hell outta them.

I wouldn't overuse this device, but it could actually make him scarier -- "The Bat-man" strikes without warning, and if you actually try to grab him, he'll sting your @$$ like an electric eel -- THEN knock you out.

(Note that the comics -- including "Hush" -- have shown that Batman's suit has several "defensive" modes to prevent him from being captured -- including knock-out gas emitting from his cowl if he's about to be unmasked. Yeah, I know this might work against the realistic mood that Nolan's trying to set up, but it would work, I think, if you show Bruce suiting up and making it clear that he has a LOT of tricks up his sleeve before he goes out to thump heads in Gotham. But, you also make it clear that he uses his gadgets only to get out of a jam that he can't fix immediately with his wits and fists.)

-- Admiral Nelson

 

[Agentsands77]

Wide and clear is entirely against what Nolan was going for though. I loved that Batman comes out of nowhere and dispatches everyone before anything can develop. I don't want Batman in full view very often. Just needs to slow down the cuts a little.

Yeah. Batman, for me, has never been about action, and I appreciate that Nolan wants to show the effect or feeling rather than the specifics. In a way, it downplays the importance of the action. It's not all about creating a large action spectacle - it's about building tone, mood, and recreating what it's like to be in that situation.

I think that approach backfired in the final duel between Ra's and Batman, and the edits sometimes went overboard, but overall, I don't mind the style. But then again, I'm one of the people who thinks Greengrass' take on action in THE BOURNE SUPREMACY was fantastic, exciting, and gripping - something a lot of others don't seem to agree with.

 

[Eros]

as long as they have a wider and clearer view, becasue im still not sure how batman beat Ra's al Ghul in begins.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Nolan needs to take action direction from Martin Campbell (Casino Royale). WIDE, CLEAR shots please.....no quick, close shots like in Batman Begins. the fight scenes were one of my only gripes about the movie...

Agreed and even then it's only a minor gripe as on DVD they slowed them down a touch except for the awful train fight and the virtully unwatchable docks one
To be honest i'd rather Nolan scrapped the fighting if he is gonna do this close up stuff and just make a detective story with a Vehicle chase in and any combat should be of the stealth variety.quick strike one at a time stuff instead of actual fights

 

[kytrigger]

Agreed and even then it's only a minor gripe as on DVD they slowed them down a touch except for the awful train fight and the virtully unwatchable docks one
To be honest i'd rather Nolan scrapped the fighting if he is gonna do this close up stuff and just make a detective story with a Vehicle chase in and any combat should be of the stealth variety.quick strike one at a time stuff instead of actual fights

You see, I think the style on the docks worked perfectly. We still hadn't seen a clear view of Batman and it was chaotic and confusing, much like how the criminals must have been feeling.

While I liked it for that, the train sequence is a different story. Both Batman and Ra's knew where they were and what was going down, so the viewers should have also.

 

[Hunter Rider]

You see, I think the style on the docks worked perfectly. We still hadn't seen a clear view of Batman and it was chaotic and confusing, much like how the criminals must have been feeling.

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I didn't feel like i was in a fight i felt like i was watching someone spin the camera man around and to be honest i don't really want feel like im in a fight i want to watch one and see what moves batman is doing to take guys out
I prefered the way the Arkham scene was done with quick out of the shadows strikes if they aren't gonna show a clear fight

 

[Nepenthes]

To be honest i'd rather Nolan scrapped the fighting if he is gonna do this close up stuff and just make a detective story with a Vehicle chase in and any combat should be of the stealth variety.quick strike one at a time stuff instead of actual fights

As much as I love the quick strikes, swooping, grabbing guys and jumping of balconies...you know we'd all be baying for blood if TDK came without actual fight scenes. Even choppy ones.

I'm actually far more concerned about how the Joker fights than anything else. He can't be wimpy but he can't much of a skilled fighter either. He's gotta take alot of damage but keep on going, look absolutely wild *like nothing we've scene before* AND manage to really hurt Batman in all his armour. I'd like to see some novel weapons too.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i don't think the Joker should fight at all. he's not a physical combatant the way Batman is. Joker's threat to Batman isn't his physique...it's his mentality.

anyway, i know what some of you are saying about "feeling like you're in the fight" but i don't agree. if they want you to feel like you're in the movie they need to just film it in first person view...Doom style. if they're going to film a fight scene...friggin' show the action. he didn't make us feel like were driving the Tumbler during the chase scene so why make us feel like we're in the fight during the fight scenes?

Casino Royale's action was PERFECT...Nolan needs to take notes from that film.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I want to see more of a Kill Bill style to the sequences

No. Just... no.

Crackers, anyone?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Something similar to Casino Royales fight scenes

Oh HELL yes.

I'd like a little free-running in the mix, as well.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

The Joker should keep fighting with two broken arms.

Yeah, because the Joker is such a totally physical character...

 

[Nepenthes]

Okay no he's not much of a physical threat but he always puts in a good scrap. He laughs off an awesome beating and he usually gets at least one vicious move in. I'd like to see this.

Also, didn't the chemicals deaden his nerves somewhat? His pain receptors don't work (leave this outta TDK though).

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Okay no he's not much of a physical threat but he always puts in a good scrap. He laughs off an awesome beating and he usually gets at least one vicious move in. I'd like to see this.

Oh yeah, that I agree with. I'd love it if he laughs his ass off while Batman is handing said ass to him. And, in fact, if he has a good trick or two up his sleeve to surprise Batman in a fight.

 

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