The Dark Knight Intensity of Fight sequences in TDK!

[Mee]

Same as BB, except zoom out the camera a tad.

 

[Crooklyn]

Eff that. Go for Bourne Identity.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Well, since KFM has been established as Batman's fighting style, it ought to be retained (though it would be fine to modify it by incorporating other styles as well).

Mainly people just want to see what's actually happening. While I don't have a problem with the fights as they were in BB, I admit they were difficult to follow and I don't see that there's anything to be lost by showing what's going on in the fights...

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'll just use my post from the other fight thread,

Like I said earlier in the thread, for the fights go the V for Vendetta style (the fast motion, not the slow mo)

The fast motion fights in V were perfect for Batman in my humble opinion. They were fast and brutal, but they also showed us enough of V to display his level of skill and let the audience actually see what he was doing.

 

[Crooklyn]

Well, since KFM has been established as Batman's fighting style, it ought to be retained (though it would be fine to modify it by incorporating other styles as well).

It could've been jujitsu, tae kwon do, or drunken master. Point is, no one knew wtf it was, so if it did change for the sequel...wouldn't matter.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

It could've been jujitsu, tae kwon do, or drunken master. Point is, no one knew wtf it was, so if it did change for the sequel...wouldn't matter.

It would matter to me.

And the truth is, while I found the fights hard to follow, I did see several distinctive moves, enough to have a feel for Batman's fighting style.

 

[Crooklyn]

Just for my amusement...care to describe these distinct maneuvers?

 

[Eros]

I refer to the fights in Begins as Choas fights. Thier was a scene where batman takes out 12 guys in begins, all i a vagely remeber seeing is batman and flashes of guys makeing weird noises.

 

[Nepenthes]

I remember two manoveurs from the fights. He head butts someone in the Asylum and he blocks Ra's sword with his arm on the train. That's it. A fraction of a second each.

Wasted talent, training and choreography...

 

[The Sage]

It could've been jujitsu, tae kwon do, or drunken master. Point is, no one knew wtf it was, so if it did change for the sequel...wouldn't matter.

Exactly. The guy could've been doing kickboxing and we wouldn't be able to tell due to the camera work.

I still think a Bourne Identity style combined with what Martin Campbell did in Goldeneye's brawl between 007 and 006 is ideal for seeing Batman fight.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I still think a Bourne Identity style combined with what Martin Campbell did in Goldeneye's brawl between 007 and 006 is ideal for seeing Batman fight.

yes...that fight was BRUTAL. i felt every kick, punch, knee, and throw in that fight. Martin Campbell's awesome with fight scenes...

 

[DorkyFresh]

It could've been jujitsu, tae kwon do, or drunken master. Point is, no one knew wtf it was, so if it did change for the sequel...wouldn't matter.

i disagree...for the sake of consistency i think they should still have Batman use KFM as his main discipline. i WOULD like to see him utilize other tactics though...

 

[Nepenthes]

If TDK is the same as BB you wouldn't know if he's using other styles ^. If the DVD did not come with a fight training feature I doubt any of us would be aware of one consistent style at all.

But I have a feeling this is one area where the Nolans WILL be swayed by fan reactions. Also to emphasise the theme of a more established and deliberate Batman his movement would not be so vague. His presence will be stronger in every way.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yes, but less is more when you are in a rubber suit.

 

[Crooklyn]

i disagree...for the sake of consistency i think they should still have Batman use KFM as his main discipline. i WOULD like to see him utilize other tactics though...

We saw a brief scene where Bruce changed up his style when he tried going up against Ra's. So it's not much of a stress. I'd rather him use different varieties while fighting, according to the situation, rather than just using one.

 

[DorkyFresh]

If TDK is the same as BB you wouldn't know if he's using other styles ^. If the DVD did not come with a fight training feature I doubt any of us would be aware of one consistent style at all.

there ARE people out there, including me (most of the time), who can tell what type of fighting style or discipline a fighter is using just by watching them. if you're using a lot of kicks you're most likely using Tae Kwon Do, if you're making straight powerful punches and kicks you're most likely using Karate, flashy flips and kicks are most likely Wushu....shoot i bet half the people on this board knows what Kickboxing looks like when they see it.

We saw a brief scene where Bruce changed up his style when he tried going up against Ra's. So it's not much of a stress. I'd rather him use different varieties while fighting, according to the situation, rather than just using one.

i can agree with that but i still think KFM should be his default style.

 

[Crooklyn]

...but not with the way BB was shot. Any other filming style, and I'll agree. But not in this case. Nolan shot it too frantically, so much so that anyone that can 100% confidently say they know exactly what style was used just by watching BB, I say is a complete liar.

 

[DorkyFresh]

oh yeah...i've always thought that Nolan shot the fight scenes too close, too many quick shots, not wide enough, shots not long enough...

...regardless of what fighting style Batman uses, i still want Nolan to direct the fight scenes with better camera work.

 

[Cinemaman]

I liked fighting scenes in BB a lot, but I think this time Nolan should make them clearer to show Batman in his best shots. Also, it would give the movie more iconic view for Bat's poses :up;

 

[StorminNorman]

I am still a fan of the frantic fight scenes featured in BB - however that was when Batman was dealing with multiple villians.

A one on one fight scene should of course be filmed differently.

 

[Visionary]

oh yeah...i've always thought that Nolan shot the fight scenes too close, too many quick shots, not wide enough, shots not long enough...

...regardless of what fighting style Batman uses, i still want Nolan to direct the fight scenes with better camera work.

Indeed.

 

[Infinity9999x]

You know, thinking on it now, besides the other idea I posted, the style in Casino Royale wasn't too bad. Those fights were brutal, but they still allowed the audience to see what was going on.

 

[DorkyFresh]

exactamundo...Nolan needs to take action filming tips from Martin Campbell. the fight scenes from Casino Royale and Goldeneye were some of the best fight scenes in recent filming imo.

 

[Avernus]

I liked the fight sequences in BB...but maybe they could slow them down a bit more and then speed them back up when the fighting is over...

even as I type it...it sounds like a bad idea...but could be flipped into an advantage if done right...

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Just for my amusement...care to describe these distinct maneuvers?

I should say it's more a distinctively kinetic style of combat... I remember the way he used his elbows and hands and knees and head, there was a distinct rhythm to the fights; the way the forearm blocks lead into elbow-strikes or back-handed blows; the way the elbow-strikes lead into forearm blocks, opening the opponent's guard for a headbutt; the headbutt staggering the opponent and leaving them open for an elbow to the kidney. The way a blocked elbow-strike might lead to an opponent's arm being broken. It is exactly what the special features said it was; a style based on improvisation and opportunity. Also, I vividly remember Batman's flying tackle move.