The Dark Knight Rises Deathstroke in Batman III, would it work?

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, I do love what Nolan has brought to the table.

But my dream is to see a sorta, neo noir Batman film that is still gritty and serious in tone, but has the more fantastical elements from the comics.

 

[anrrd_2]

^AMEN! i love Nolans work, but for all its potential it does have its limitations. and as much as i am looking forward to the third Nolan flick, i cant wait to see where the series goes next.

just imagine, Guillermo Del Toro directs and uses clay face and/or killer croc... or Ron Howard creating a super gritty/dirty street fight between batman and deathstroke/deadshot/david cain.... the possibilities are endless and it makes me giddy like a school girl

 

[Brian Braddock]

Yea, I do love what Nolan has brought to the table.

But my dream is to see a sorta, neo noir Batman film that is still gritty and serious in tone, but has the more fantastical elements from the comics.

A dream we share.

Some people like it (like me), some people hate it, but it was The Incredible Hulk that showed me that when a studio isnt too afraid to include the more fantastical elements from the comics (sonic cannons anyone? I practically geeked out when I saw them in the cinema - pure, old school Kirby-esque Marvel right there), a serious tone can still be kept.

I guess it's all about striking the right balance. You go too 'real' you run the risk of having a character who's too far removed from the character on which he's based and no fun whatsoever and if you go too 'fantastical', well, you get a mess of a live-action cartoon like Batman & Robin.

 

[anrrd_2]

A dream we share.

Some people like it (like me), some people hate it, but it was The Incredible Hulk that showed me that when a studio isnt too afraid to include the more fantastical elements from the comics (sonic cannons anyone? I practically geeked out when I saw them in the cinema - pure, old school Kirby-esque Marvel right there), a serious tone can still be kept.

I guess it's all about striking the right balance. You go too 'real' you run the risk of having a character who's too far removed from the character on which he's based and no fun whatsoever and if you go too 'fantastical', well, you get a mess of a live-action cartoon like Batman & Robin.

you, sir, have hit the proverbial nail on the head. fantasy elements can be kept without being made cartoony and childish. "Realism" is not completely thrown out the window, it is just suspended for a few moments.

and honestly, i think the major thing that makes people think that so many things couldnt work in nolan films is not "realism" but attitude. Nolans batman films have had a very depressing attitude... while films like IM and TIH have still be serious films, they were not so gloomy.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Definately. I also think the whole realism thing originates from the thinking of filmakers who arent particularly comicbook fans and are from the old school of 'comics are for kids'.

Therefore, 'iIf they remove some of the more fantastical or 'childish' elements, they somehow make it more valid to the rest of the world.

As a comicbook fan, that type of thinking scares the bejeezus out of me.

 

[returntovoid]

But my dream is to see a sorta, neo noir Batman film that is still gritty and serious in tone, but has the more fantastical elements from the comics.

That's really what I got out of Batman Begins, it had the smokey/neo-noir looking Gotham, it had a gritty/serious tone but yet at the same time, it had the fun comic book vibe with elements such as mythical shadowy Ninja organization, fear hallucinogen, microwave emitter, Batman that strikes fear into the hearts of criminals and the film had a great deal of one-liners etc.

This was something that I think The Dark Knight lacked and the reason why I think Batman Begins was a better/more enjoyable Batman film.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I'd agree to that. That's why I enjoy Begins more than TDK.

But still, you wouldn't be able to have a genetically enhanced super soldier like Slade in these films.

 

[returntovoid]

But still, you wouldn't be able to have a genetically enhanced super soldier like Slade in these films.

Well, Dent's half burnt face looked like a dead corpse in TDK.

So, that's not very realistic.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yea I'd agree to that. That's why I enjoy Begins more than TDK.

But still, you wouldn't be able to have a genetically enhanced super soldier like Slade in these films.

Why not? Its not all that unrealistic. We already have genetically enhanced vegetables. Its not so hard to imagine that it could happen. I bet they have already tried it in real life.
But anyway, Slade could just be a really good assassin and fighter making his enemies think that he is superhuman. He doesnt have to be genetically enhanced.

 

[Brian Braddock]

But he's genetically enhanced in the comics. That's the whole point of what we've been saying.

Practically any character can be adapted to the big screen with enough changes, the problem is were you change a character so much that they no longer resemble the character they are supposed to be.

You might disagree, but I think the genetically enhanced angle is a huge part of who Deathstroke is; and it's certainly one of the main reasons that made him so popular with me in the 1st place.

But it's a moot point, I still maintain that it is too fantastical for Nolan's Bat-world. By using your genetically enhanced vegetable logic, Cyborg from the Teen Titan's could fit into Nolan's Bat-world because we've already got people in the world with mechanical, prosthetic limbs.

 

[Mr. Earle]

But he's genetically enhanced in the comics. That's the whole point of what we've been saying.

Practically any character can be adapted to the big screen with enough changes, the problem is were you change a character so much that they no longer resemble the character they are supposed to be.

You might disagree, but I think the genetically enhanced angle is a huge part of who Deathstroke is; and it's certainly one of the main reasons that made him so popular with me in the 1st place.

But it's a moot point, I still maintain that it is too fantastical for Nolan's Bat-world. By using your genetically enhanced vegetable logic, Cyborg from the Teen Titan's could fit into Nolan's Bat-world because we've already got people in the world with mechanical, prosthetic limbs.

That's what they said about the Joker and permawhite. Personally i dont know much about Deathstroke and if its so important for him to be genetically enhanced.
But anyway, its not like Nolan's universe is that realistic that Deathstroke cant be introduced just the way he is in comics. Nolan's world has magic microwave devices, flying tanks that shoot bikes, magic capes, etc...

 

[Brian Braddock]

There's different levels of realism, just as there are different levels of believability. I wouldnt put any of those things you mention in the same bracket as a 'genetically enhanced supersoldier' to be honest.

 

[anrrd_2]

deathstroke being enhanced is uber important...its the whole basis for him wearing an eyepatch. because he's so superior to everyone else that its not fair and he is bored. If its just a regular guy doing that its because he is arrogant, crazy and/or has a deathwish. if hes

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea as said I think any character can be adapted.

But with Deathstroke I don't think you would get a geezer taking multiple gun shot wounds or superhumanly quick and durable in a Nolan film.

 

[Mr. Earle]

deathstroke being enhanced is uber important...its the whole basis for him wearing an eyepatch. because he's so superior to everyone else that its not fair and he is bored. If its just a regular guy doing that its because he is arrogant, crazy and/or has a deathwish. if hes

He is wearing an eyepatch because one of his eyes was damaged. From wikipedia:

After taking Joseph to the hospital, Slade's wife Adeline, enraged at his endangerment of her son, tried to kill Slade by shooting him, but only managed to destroy his right eye. Afterward, his confidence in his physical abilities was such that he made no secret of his impaired vision, marked by his mask which has a black featureless half covering his lost eye. Without his mask, Slade wears an eyepatch.

Apparently he can heal from deadly injuries but he cant regenerate a damaged eye.

 

[returntovoid]

Some people like it (like me), some people hate it, but it was The Incredible Hulk that showed me that when a studio isnt too afraid to include the more fantastical elements from the comics (sonic cannons anyone? I practically geeked out when I saw them in the cinema - pure, old school Kirby-esque Marvel right there), a serious tone can still be kept.

I really liked The Incredible Hulk, although not many people liked it.

I guess it's all about striking the right balance. You go too 'real' you run the risk of having a character who's too far removed from the character on which he's based and no fun whatsoever and if you go too 'fantastical', well, you get a mess of a live-action cartoon like Batman & Robin.

I agree, comic book movies need to have the right balance between the serious and fun elements. So far, the films that I think have accomplished that are Batman Begins, The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man etc.

 

[The Batman]

Yes....instead of putting in Deadshot, who actually originates from Batman's rogues gallery, lets put in a metahuman character because he has big swords and a patch eye.

Where can I find the "Worst suggestions" thread???

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yes....instead of putting in Deadshot, who actually originates from Batman's rogues gallery, lets put in a metahuman character because he has big swords and a patch eye.

Where can I find the "Worst suggestions" thread???

What more do you want? He is ****ing badass!
Besides, he is a villain to both Batman and the Titans. He has met, fought and beaten Batman on numerous occasions. He even managed to stab the mother****ing Flash! It would be cool to see how Batman would deal with someone who is superior to him in every single way.

 

[The Batman]

Calling Deathstroke a Batman villain is like calling Dr. Doom a Spider-Man villain. He's made appearances, but he is not apart of the rogues gallery. That may fly in the comics, but these movies are supposed to represent characters tied to the mythology. Deathstroke is not tied to the mythology. He's merely a guest character

 

[Mr. Earle]

And Dr Doom in a Spiderman movie would be bad? IT WOULD BE AWESOME BEYOND WORDS!
Neither Deadshot, nor Deathstroke can be the main villain of the movie. Some supervillain of higher caliber and with a closer relation to Batman must be the one, either pulling the strings or working with them. Therefore, it wouldnt be like Deathstroke, a guest star to the franchise would be the main man.
And if i had to choose between the two, i'd go with Deathstroke in an instant. Who the hell cares about semantics? He has swords and a patch eye and he is ten times the fighter Batman is! It would be glorious!

 

[The Guard]

Yes....instead of putting in Deadshot, who actually originates from Batman's rogues gallery, lets put in a metahuman character because he has big swords and a patch eye.

Where can I find the "Worst suggestions" thread???

There it is.

It would be cool to see how Batman would deal with someone who is superior to him in every single way.

We saw that, with Ra's in BATMAN BEGINS. He "tricked him" and "managed to beat him when he needed to". It was...well, it was just mindblowingly cool.

We don't need to see another assailant with swords just because. Now, if someone wanted to put both Deadshot AND Deathstroke and maybe The Tally Man or Shiva in a movie in an "assassinate Batman" storyline...that I might be receptive to, because then it would make sense.

 

[returntovoid]

Neither Deadshot, nor Deathstroke can be the main villain of the movie. Some supervillain of higher caliber and with a closer relation to Batman must be the one, either pulling the strings or working with them. Therefore, it wouldnt be like Deathstroke, a guest star to the franchise would be the main man.
And if i had to choose between the two, i'd go with Deathstroke in an instant. Who the hell cares about semantics? He has swords and a patch eye and he is ten times the fighter Batman is! It would be glorious!

Agreed.

 

[Oddzball]

DC has wisely kept Bats vs Deathstroke off the pages for the most part. It would hurt the sales potential in the long run. Deathstroke's general appeal is that he rarely loses. Batman is supposed to be virtually invincible. Either Deathstroke goes to jail and then goes to jail and then goes to jail, or Batman probably dies.

So, not going to be in the film. Perhaps we'll FINALLY see Patrick Stewart as Freeze?

 

[returntovoid]

Yea as said I think any character can be adapted.

Exactly, they can remove the super soldier angle just like they did not use Ra's Al Ghul's immortality via Lazarus Pit angle in Batman Begins.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The likes of Dr Doom and Deathstroke are not just villains to a particular hero or team, they are enemies to a lot of people in their universes, Marvel or DC.

Teen Titans won't get a movie, so there is no point even talking about Slade being mainly a Teen Titans villain.