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Iron Man vs Black Panther

chiefchirpa said:
Yeah, but I'd like to see the fights in an even-handed cross-overs like Civil War. No one can deny that BP is a not mainstream character and less so than Iron Man. Priest's run was for boosting the popularity of then-dwindling BP and what's more convenient than BP pitting against the Marvel's favorite scapegoat Iron Man and not against favorite sons Spider-Man and Captain America.


No, sorry no.
 
Eros said:
Tony has new gear every week, so it would impossible to win a fight if the guy changes his batlte plans and strategies every week.

By that logic, the only valid win against Iron Man for you and Chif is Galactus, a Celestial, or some such cosmic character.

Also, for someone that claims IM isn't his favorite character, you certainly seem to be marking out for him in a most illogical fashion typical of fanboys.:o
 
Eros said:
Tony has new gear every week, so it would impossible to win a fight if the guy changes his batlte plans and strategies every week.
BP has a nation behind him
 
but right now cant tony controll mutiple suites of armor at once using extremis so i dont see how the nation of wakanda would fair against an army of iron men. and im sure since the panther could barely beat, and i say barely because it took a lot of preping to beat the iron mans stealth suite, one of iron mans suites that if he were being attacked by tonys full capabilities now with extremis, he wouldnt last five minutes, but thats a little bit more than cap lasted
 
Eros said:
Tony has new gear every week, so it would impossible to win a fight if the guy changes his batlte plans and strategies every week.
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Covered in more than one Panther book that The Black Panther has Access to massive amounts of technology that he chooses not to incorporate into the kitty suit.

That why he beat Iron man three times in one story arc. Just because you don't carry the gear doesn't mean you don't understand it.

Considering how "inovative" Stark has been with the armor,.... His tech appears to be limited ONLY to armor applications. The Panthers gear covers everything from Medicine to space travel.

BTW,.. unless BP KNOWS about Extremis,... he will lose his fight against IM.

In regards to Stark versus Wakanda,... Sorry but when you consider that BP was at one point willing to put a whooping on Atlantis,... and the United States hesitates to start mess with Wakanda,.. I doubt a multi-billion dollar corporation can field enough force to do what an entire country 50 times it's size can decide would be a serious error.

V.
 
chiefchirpa said:
That's because a less popular ethnic centric superhero needs a popularity boost by making it look cool and Batman-like. Given more episodes, Priest + Hudlin BP can wipe the floor with Thor and Hulk. A balanced writer would give it a tie, or a slight win for IM because his power keeps evolving.



It ran long because it played what BP fans would like to see. An all-powerful African Batman copy against the king Jackass of Marvel universe. And IM is still the jackass, being that he's the de-facto villain in CW.
So your problem is BP is beating a white hero and he shouldn't be as popular cause he's "ethno centric." :confused:
 
Docker said:
So your problem is BP is beating a white hero and he shouldn't be as popular cause he's "ethno centric." :confused:

Gah. I'm asian.

I never said BP shouldn't be popular. He IS not popular even compared to the mediocre IM. The famous order of the comic universe is: (S,B,S) > (Hulk, WW, Cap, IM) > BP

The reference of "Ethno Centric" is that he was made to promote a black superhero.
 
chiefchirpa said:
Reed
Dr.Strange
*obviously before CW
Yeah he's burned some bridges there, I wonder if reed would help him attack the head of another state
 
Varient said:
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Considering how "inovative" Stark has been with the armor,.... His tech appears to be limited ONLY to armor applications. The Panthers gear covers everything from Medicine to space travel.

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/starkinventions.html

Put in your notebook that Stark IS the inventive genius of the Marvel universe. Panther relies on a team of Wakandan scientists behind him. Stark works (actually to put in a correct word, thinks) alone.
 
Black Panther has (had?) the potential to be as good as Batman with the right writing and a good (non-sterotype) rouges gallery. I would love to get my hands on this character and run with it.
 
Weiser_Cain said:
Black Panther has (had?) the potential to be as good as Batman with the right writing and a good (non-sterotype) rouges gallery. I would love to get my hands on this character and run with it.

I like BP as well. I think his power is on par or above Cap and Spidey but still below Iron Man in full potential. But a hero character doesn't have to be uber powerful to have success (exhibit 1: Spiderman, exhibit 2: Batman). With a good movie in 2010 and the right kind of marketing, BP can become a household name.
 
chiefchirpa said:
http://www.ironmanarmory.com/starkinventions.html

Put in your notebook that Stark IS the inventive genius of the Marvel universe. Panther relies on a team of Wakandan scientists behind him. Stark works (actually to put in a correct word, thinks) alone.

Actually that's not true, Stark had help building his original armor and the current armor he has would be useless without the Extremis virus that someone else created (I can't remember the chicks name off the top of my head).

While T'challa does have a team of scientist at his disposal he is very capable in his own right, he designed the avengers quinjets, and his secondary armor is something he designed as a teenager.

I still feel that in some ways Stark is more intelligent than T'challa, but Stark isn't a warrior and doesn't have the tactical mind T'challa does.
 
I'd actually like to see the downside of being bonded to the armor. If he's part machine that opens up many diffrent things you could explore or exploit.
 
The most obvious being a virus. Maybe someone even being able to control Stark. Imagine him being used as a weapon both as Stark and Iron Man.
 
chiefchirpa said:
http://www.ironmanarmory.com/starkinventions.html

Put in your notebook that Stark IS the inventive genius of the Marvel universe. Panther relies on a team of Wakandan scientists behind him. Stark works (actually to put in a correct word, thinks) alone.
Trying hard not to roll eyes as the overwhelming majority of his equiptment had military applications that in most cases could be tracked back to a variation on his armor tech for ironman,...

where were the rollerskates first used huh?

I accept that you are a fan of Ironman,.. and I'm not going to even try to do a pissing contest with you on this.
Until recently Ironman couldn't beat the BP because of the nature of the characters involved.

I STOPPED reading Iron man in disgust Years ago because for someone so brilliant he made some pretty bad blunders regularly.

He is also written as someone who can't learn from his mistakes on the human side,.. and is written with serious trust issues.

Panther has made Prep-time on a global scale work. His primary goal is the safety of his country. He's not motivated by the mundane.

His paranoia is acceptable to me because it only flows in one direction,.. and as long as you keep wakanda out of the mix he will go with that.

I also have ONE other problem with Stark:

If I solved a problem and invented stuff that would take away our dependance on oil, deviced secondary shielding that is adaptable for the use of firemen, policemen, etc,.. and made the kind of cash flow he has,.. I'da done more to improve where I lived.

as far as inventive? Sorry Reed outstrips him coming up with more stuff ON THE FLY than Stark ever has.

Heck I'll give Reed Richards Props,.. he has released variations of his unstable molecules formula to the superhero community at no obvious cost,... He has made himself available to ANY hero who can reach the baxter building,.. heck he loaned Luke Cage his pogo ship to collect a debt from Doom.

Stark?

Only his closest friends - and those folk go thru some mess to stay his friends.

I'm surprised he and Rodney are on speaking terms,..

i'm trying hard to not make this a bash Stark thread even with the mess happening in civil war right now.

V.
 
Varient said:
Trying hard not to roll eyes as the overwhelming majority of his equiptment had military applications that in most cases could be tracked back to a variation on his armor tech for ironman,...

where were the rollerskates first used huh?

I accept that you are a fan of Ironman,.. and I'm not going to even try to do a pissing contest with you on this.
Until recently Ironman couldn't beat the BP because of the nature of the characters involved.

I STOPPED reading Iron man in disgust Years ago because for someone so brilliant he made some pretty bad blunders regularly.

He is also written as someone who can't learn from his mistakes on the human side,.. and is written with serious trust issues.

Panther has made Prep-time on a global scale work. His primary goal is the safety of his country. He's not motivated by the mundane.

His paranoia is acceptable to me because it only flows in one direction,.. and as long as you keep wakanda out of the mix he will go with that.

I also have ONE other problem with Stark:

If I solved a problem and invented stuff that would take away our dependance on oil, deviced secondary shielding that is adaptable for the use of firemen, policemen, etc,.. and made the kind of cash flow he has,.. I'da done more to improve where I lived.

as far as inventive? Sorry Reed outstrips him coming up with more stuff ON THE FLY than Stark ever has.

Heck I'll give Reed Richards Props,.. he has released variations of his unstable molecules formula to the superhero community at no obvious cost,... He has made himself available to ANY hero who can reach the baxter building,.. heck he loaned Luke Cage his pogo ship to collect a debt from Doom.

Stark?

Only his closest friends - and those folk go thru some mess to stay his friends.

I'm surprised he and Rodney are on speaking terms,..

V.

First of all I'm no big fan of Iron Man. My fav is old red and blue Spidey. And guess what, BP is also growing on me.

I'm not going to talk on how T'challa is more virtuous than Stark because it's entirely subjective on how the writers (mostly liberals whose innate hatred over corporate big guns often get carried away) portray Stark as a character. I guess you have to first know the difference between IM "the potential good man" and IM "the screwed up hero because most writers hate him or need a scapegoat". IM "the potential good man" can be summed by the man himself,

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/stanonim.html

"Virtually evey super hero in the comic book world has some incredible super power, a power they were born with or which they acquired through some freak accident or scientific mishap. But not the amazin' Mr. Stark! Though the Invincible Iron Man is one of the most powerful do-gooders in the mighty Marvel firmament, Tony himself has no super strength, no fantastic super power, nothing except his own natural courage, intelligence and, oh yes, one other incidental item we really shouldn't overlook--The most awesome suit of armor of all time!"

And, please Reed is known as the scientist. Most of his inventions are inapplicable for the masses. On the other hand, Stark is known as the inventor. Unless Marvel wants to further minimize the meaning of Stark the inventor, that's the way it has been and should be.

i'm trying hard to not make this a bash Stark thread even with the mess happening in civil war right now

You're going to bash a comic character, whose actions and inactions are under the direct whim of writers? Heh, I found this very funny.
 
chiefchirpa said:
That's because a less popular ethnic centric superhero needs a popularity boost by making it look cool and Batman-like. Given more episodes, Priest + Hudlin BP can wipe the floor with Thor and Hulk. A balanced writer would give it a tie, or a slight win for IM because his power keeps evolving.



It ran long because it played what BP fans would like to see. An all-powerful African Batman copy against the king Jackass of Marvel universe. And IM is still the jackass, being that he's the de-facto villain in CW.
I saw no problem with the Ironman/BP fight. It isn't like he just manhandled IM, and got a sudden powerboost for one day. He used tactics and science to defeat Starks armor a move that many villains and heroes have used to one up him.
 
thor87 said:
well iron man has always been a slightly different type of hero, hes the leader of a huge corporation, hes very conservative, not very emotional, and as of late he has been made into a cold, unforgiving, greedy bastard that is stretching whether or not he has a right to be called a hero at all.
i don't think he has that right any more
 
Sloth7d said:
I saw no problem with the Ironman/BP fight. It isn't like he just manhandled IM, and got a sudden powerboost for one day. He used tactics and science to defeat Starks armor a move that many villains and heroes have used to one up him.
That's probably why I was moved to respond.

The guy diminished a fight that was in character for both "heroes because of who "HE" prefered to win,.. and further minimalized it by color.

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For me it gets old when folk lecture a minority that they are not color blind,.. then have someone from their camp state stuff like he did.
 
chiefchirpa said:
First of all I'm no big fan of Iron Man. My fav is old red and blue Spidey. And guess what, BP is also growing on me.

I'm not going to talk on how T'challa is more virtuous than Stark because it's entirely subjective on how the writers (mostly liberals whose innate hatred over corporate big guns often get carried away) portray Stark as a character. I guess you have to first know the difference between IM "the potential good man" and IM "the screwed up hero because most writers hate him or need a scapegoat". IM "the potential good man" can be summed by the man himself,

http://www.ironmanarmory.com/stanonim.html

"Virtually evey super hero in the comic book world has some incredible super power, a power they were born with or which they acquired through some freak accident or scientific mishap. But not the amazin' Mr. Stark! Though the Invincible Iron Man is one of the most powerful do-gooders in the mighty Marvel firmament, Tony himself has no super strength, no fantastic super power, nothing except his own natural courage, intelligence and, oh yes, one other incidental item we really shouldn't overlook--The most awesome suit of armor of all time!".
No longer true,... Stark has been a cyborg for a while now. First his heart,.. then his nervous system, now he has nano tech living in his bones.

chiefchirpa said:
And, please Reed is known as the scientist. Most of his inventions are inapplicable for the masses. On the other hand, Stark is known as the inventor. Unless Marvel wants to further minimize the meaning of Stark the inventor, that's the way it has been and should be..

Opinion.
I accept that.


chiefchirpa said:
You're going to bash a comic character, whose actions and inactions are under the direct whim of writers? Heh, I found this very funny.
?raised eyebrow?
Where have you been? Comic readers bash comic characters all the time,.. go back and read how you minimalized the Panther.

TSK.
 

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