Iron Man vs Black Panther

[Horrorfan]

It seems somehow wrong to me that a normal guy like BP could stand up to ultra technological iron man. It would be like taking a sharp stick to a gun fight. Not only that, isn't Stark supposed to be a genius?


And BP wanted to take on atlantis and has usa worried?


Wow, he's becoming Marvel's batman.....beating people he should get wiped out by in two minutes. Whats next, prep time?

 

[Savage]

Well every armor has chinks. Why can't Black Panther be the one to figure them out. All he has to do is NOT get hit, and I'd say he's pretty fast enough for that. Vibranium claws to that armor and it's done.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

That's right, blame everything on the liberals...

My favourite is when liberals blame everything on conservatives. It's like the WANT to be better, but they're really just the same. At least, liberals as they are, not as what liberal truly means.

 

[Varient]

It seems somehow wrong to me that a normal guy like BP could stand up to ultra technological iron man. It would be like taking a sharp stick to a gun fight. Not only that, isn't Stark supposed to be a genius?


And BP wanted to take on atlantis and has usa worried?


Wow, he's becoming Marvel's batman.....beating people he should get wiped out by in two minutes. Whats next, prep time?

Heh,...
Only YOU call him a normal guy.
This person was RAISED FROM BIRTH to be the ruler and Guardian-Protector / Religious Leader for a country that is DECADES ahead of the US in it's tech base.

IT WAS "Covered in more than one Panther book that The Black Panther has Access to massive amounts of technology that he chooses not to incorporate into the kitty suit.

That why he beat Iron man three times in one story arc. Just because you don't carry the gear doesn't mean you don't understand it.

Considering how "inovative" Stark has been with the armor,.... His tech appears to be limited ONLY to armor applications. The Panthers gear covers everything from Medicine to space travel.

BTW,.. unless BP KNOWS about Extremis,... he will lose his fight against IM.

In regards to Stark versus Wakanda,... Sorry but when you consider that BP was at one point willing to put a whooping on Atlantis,... and the United States hesitates to start mess with Wakanda,.. I doubt a multi-billion dollar corporation can field enough force to do what an entire country 50 times it's size can decide would be a serious error."

V.

 

[Horrorfan]

Heh,...
Only YOU call him a normal guy.
This person was RAISED FROM BIRTH to be the ruler and Guardian-Protector / Religious Leader for a country that is DECADES ahead of the US in it's tech base.

IT WAS "Covered in more than one Panther book that The Black Panther has Access to massive amounts of technology that he chooses not to incorporate into the kitty suit.

That why he beat Iron man three times in one story arc. Just because you don't carry the gear doesn't mean you don't understand it.

Considering how "inovative" Stark has been with the armor,.... His tech appears to be limited ONLY to armor applications. The Panthers gear covers everything from Medicine to space travel.

BTW,.. unless BP KNOWS about Extremis,... he will lose his fight against IM.

In regards to Stark versus Wakanda,... Sorry but when you consider that BP was at one point willing to put a whooping on Atlantis,... and the United States hesitates to start mess with Wakanda,.. I doubt a multi-billion dollar corporation can field enough force to do what an entire country 50 times it's size can decide would be a serious error."

V.

My biggest problem is, a few years back the guy was a nobody, and now he can take on Marvel's big guns? Huh? How does that work?

It sounds like he could have handled onslaught all by his lonesome, and should hand the void his ass with barely trying, and be able to whup hulk one handed. Heck all at once, the way some people make him sound.

Not to mention the guy seems like a *****e, not even mentioning how he holds back technology, and spies on so called allies, he didn't even bother showing up for such big events when everyone needed him, which would be fine if he was a crappy c lister who made no difference, but he sounds like the uber batman.

 

[La The Darkman]

My biggest problem is, a few years back the guy was a nobody, and now he can take on Marvel's big guns? Huh? How does that work?

It sounds like he could have handled onslaught all by his lonesome, and should hand the void his ass with barely trying, and be able to whup hulk one handed. Heck all at once, the way some people make him sound.

Not to mention the guy seems like a *****e, not even mentioning how he holds back technology, and spies on so called allies, he didn't even bother showing up for such big events when everyone needed him, which would be fine if he was a crappy c lister who made no difference, but he sounds like the uber batman.

WRONG, since the character was created he's been capable of taking out the likes of the Fantastic 4. The characters history has him being able to defeat Cap in one on one combat.

Nobody has claim BP to be undefeatable but against the likes of Batman, Cap and Ironman (pre Extremis) he's more than capable and ALWAYS has been.

As for him being a *****e, the same thing can be said about Stark, Reed, Namor, and a host of others. NOBODY shares all their stuff and never will.

 

[Horrorfan]

WRONG, since the character was created he's been capable of taking out the likes of the Fantastic 4. The characters history has him being able to defeat Cap in one on one combat.

Nobody has claim BP to be undefeatable but against the likes of Batman, Cap and Ironman (pre Extremis) he's more than capable and ALWAYS has been.

As for him being a *****e, the same thing can be said about Stark, Reed, Namor, and a host of others. NOBODY shares all their stuff and never will.

I don't think he could take cap, but then the only confrontation between them I know of isn't exactly canon (its from the ultimate avengers 2 movie, which cap takes pretty easy). A normal guy taking out the ff is just ******ed. If he was a mutant, or had some sort of super power, fine, but it just seems hes a lame character , much like batman, who can beat people he shouldn't.

Hell sue storm alone would have him beat EASY. Shes uber powerful. And all Iron man would have to do is fly to a great hight, lock on and rain fire down on BP and its good night, unless he can survive missile blasts (which sounds plausible by this point).

Reed shared unstable molocules, didn't he? Im not too up on the 616 versions, but in the ultimate universe, he made the ultimate nullifier to save the world, and iron man has donated lots of tech to the government for security, and in 616, in enemy of the state, reed said he had lots of plans to help out countries world wide eliminate famine and stuff, so thats simply not true that they don't share stuff.

 

[Varient]

My biggest problem is, a few years back the guy was a nobody, and now he can take on Marvel's big guns? Huh? How does that work?

It sounds like he could have handled onslaught all by his lonesome, and should hand the void his ass with barely trying, and be able to whup hulk one handed. Heck all at once, the way some people make him sound.

Not to mention the guy seems like a *****e, not even mentioning how he holds back technology, and spies on so called allies, he didn't even bother showing up for such big events when everyone needed him, which would be fine if he was a crappy c lister who made no difference, but he sounds like the uber batman.

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(Smile)Okay,...
(Pulling out soapbox,.. standing it on end - stepping up on it.)

The Black Panther is Primarily a King. He rules a nation of Isolationalists, this is Canon.

He has had access to a High level of technology and other than testing himself did not bother to interact with the rest of the world outside of his country.

This is also canon.

He is only a "nobody" to you because he didn't interest you enough for you to follow his adventures outside of his being in the background in all those early Avengers stories.

He can "take on all the big guns" because LIKE DOOM, his is a world view.
Unlike DOOM,.. his ego doesn't require him to take on tasks or challenges with limited tech or manpower.

When you consider the AOR he operates from vice Stark,... You have to accept that unless you catch him cold,... he will always have the resources to beat you.

You seem to think of him as one person - He's been written as a world power.

IF (Stressed) IF he could've anticipated Xaiver and Magneto becoming Onslaught,..... IF (Double Stressed)IF he could've remembered about the Sentry,.. then there is NO DOUBT he'd have had plans on how to deal with either.

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You are taking his whooping of Stark as something not possible simply because you don't know his background.

The Panthers people SCHOOLED Stark and gave him the thought to consider:

That the Black panther could EASILY HAVE HIS OWN SUIT OF ARMOR but chose to beat Stark twice at this point using his wits and the tools at hand.

So Stark Tried a third time trying to anticipate someone who had worked out everything Tony could try to do stop him and got beat.

We are talking about a character that has sidestepped Namor, out jinxed and tossed Captain America AROUND almost 30 YEARS AGO. Someone WHO studied and took out the FANTASTIC FOUR in his debut using only enough tech to make it a FAIR FIGHT!!!

He could "ALWAYS" take on the big guns,.... You just don't Grok that he needs:
To know about them in the first place,
and
has a reason to DO SO.


Surprisingly enough,.. You don't read ANY BP fans bragging overmuch about him like you hear about the Thor, Storm, Hulk, or Wolverine fans.

IMHO it's because we don't have to brag unless sumbody asks the question.

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Now lets specific,.... If you like,.. Ask me about the Panther,.. I'll be on this soap box for another twenty minutes or so.

V.

 

[La The Darkman]

I don't think he could take cap, but then the only confrontation between them I know of isn't exactly canon (its from the ultimate avengers 2 movie, which cap takes pretty easy). A normal guy taking out the ff is just ******ed. If he was a mutant, or had some sort of super power, fine, but it just seems hes a lame character , much like batman, who can beat people he shouldn't.

Hell sue storm alone would have him beat EASY. Shes uber powerful. And all Iron man would have to do is fly to a great hight, lock on and rain fire down on BP and its good night, unless he can survive missile blasts (which sounds plausible by this point).

Reed shared unstable molocules, didn't he? Im not too up on the 616 versions, but in the ultimate universe, he made the ultimate nullifier to save the world, and iron man has donated lots of tech to the government for security, and in 616, in enemy of the state, reed said he had lots of plans to help out countries world wide eliminate famine and stuff, so thats simply not true that they don't share stuff.

He's not just some NORMAL GUY, he has enhanced Stregnth, speed, agility, sight, hearing, and smell. He also has body armor that is absorbs impact and sound.The Avengers movies aren't canon at ALL BTW.

Why not just say you don't know what your talking about and move on.

And I never said Reed and others didn't share stuff I said they don't share ALL their stuff and they don't. BP designed the Quinjets, Falcons new hard light wings, has donatated god knows how much money to charity, offered sanctuary to the people of neighboring courtries during ethnic wars, and was intrumental in the the Avengers UN status.

 

[Savage]

I don't think he could take cap, but then the only confrontation between them I know of isn't exactly canon (its from the ultimate avengers 2 movie, which cap takes pretty easy). A normal guy taking out the ff is just ******ed. If he was a mutant, or had some sort of super power, fine, but it just seems hes a lame character , much like batman, who can beat people he shouldn't.

Hell sue storm alone would have him beat EASY. Shes uber powerful. And all Iron man would have to do is fly to a great hight, lock on and rain fire down on BP and its good night, unless he can survive missile blasts (which sounds plausible by this point).

Reed shared unstable molocules, didn't he? Im not too up on the 616 versions, but in the ultimate universe, he made the ultimate nullifier to save the world, and iron man has donated lots of tech to the government for security, and in 616, in enemy of the state, reed said he had lots of plans to help out countries world wide eliminate famine and stuff, so thats simply not true that they don't share stuff.

Oh, for the love of

Black Panther

 

[Cyrusbales]

This fight could go either way. It relies on circumstances, although ironman would be more likely to win on each subsequent fight, due to adapting his tech.

 

[chiefchirpa]

No longer true,... Stark has been a cyborg for a while now. First his heart,.. then his nervous system, now he has nano tech living in his bones.

Yes, but doesn't it this show the theme revolving on the IM is all about "Improvement"? BP is about "Vigilance" and Spider-Man is about "Tenacity".

?raised eyebrow?
Where have you been? Comic readers bash comic characters all the time,.. go back and read how you minimalized the Panther.

TSK.

I don't bash BP. I deem BP is more potent than Cap and Spider-Man. More potent than Wolverine and Daredevil. It's the way that people marginalized Iron Man that get the nerves on me. He's supposed to be the peak human achievement through application of his knowledge, not through rigorous body exercise like Batman. Sadly, it just happens that he's white.

For me it gets old when folk lecture a minority that they are not color blind,.. then have someone from their camp state stuff like he did.

So, you're a minority? I'm even more minority than your minority (Asian). Iron Man was never intended to promote white or for geez sake, aryan superhero. He's made to show everyman with health problem can prevail with tenacity, creativity and intelligence. BP was clearly made to promote black in the Marvel superhero pool. I'm proud of BP, but he couldn't kick all superhero ass just for the sake that he's black and Batman-like.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Surprisingly enough,.. You don't read ANY BP fans bragging overmuch about him like you hear about the Thor, Storm, Hulk, or Wolverine fans.

You don't EVER equate BP and IM to Hulk and Thor. Equating BP with those 2 Marvel demigods reeks fanboyish-ness the same one that Batman fans have. If Hulk and Thor fans brag about their heroes being powerful is because they are powerful, but those heroes are dour anyway. I like less powerful superhero like Spidey and Daredevil.

 

[deemar325]

I'd say Ironman takes it 6/10, but BP is no joke.

The guy is a world leader.

 

[Varient]

I don't bash BP. I deem BP is more potent than Cap and Spider-Man. More potent than Wolverine and Daredevil. It's the way that people marginalized Iron Man that get the nerves on me. He's supposed to be the peak human achievement through application of his knowledge, not through rigorous body exercise like Batman. Sadly, it just happens that he's white.

your BASH:
"That's because a less popular ethnic centric superhero needs a popularity boost by making it look cool and Batman-like.
STOP
iF THERE WAS ONE THING PRIEST DIDN'T DO WAS MAKE THE PANTHER "BATMAN-LIKE",...
your BASH continued:
Given more episodes, Priest + Hudlin BP can wipe the floor with Thor and Hulk.

NOTHING IN HIS RUN HINTED AT HIM EVEN THINKING OF TAKING THE CHARACTER SO FAR OFF BASE. In fact The Hulk was treated well in the BP book,.... A switch from the normal mess that greenskin goes thru.
Now you started the color mess by minimalizing the way the character has been written since day one as something new to make an ethnic character more popular,... then you sneer about it being unfortunate that stark was white.
So yes,.. you did do what I claimed.

 

[chiefchirpa]

your BASH:
"That's because a less popular ethnic centric superhero needs a popularity boost by making it look cool and Batman-like.
STOP
iF THERE WAS ONE THING PRIEST DIDN'T DO WAS MAKE THE PANTHER "BATMAN-LIKE",...
your BASH continued:
Given more episodes, Priest + Hudlin BP can wipe the floor with Thor and Hulk.

I don't know you're so touchy with your fav character.

That's a bash? That's my assumption based on what Priest BP could suddenly do. BP's power and ability keep fluctuating through the prep time which is most Batman-like. For a proof: Non-fan of BP like Horrorfan above might think similar like me. And wasn't BP comics doing so well that time?

Anyway I'm not going to bash BP anymore and therefore I apologize if my assumption comes to you in the wrong way. I think he's a cool character. IM is a cool character, although current writers have screwed him up in a bad way (I'm ok with it, but if writers screw Spidey I will protest )

I'm tired to prolong this versus thread and pray for good movies coming out about them soon.

 

[Varient]

I don't know you're so touchy with your fav character.

That's a bash? That's my assumption based on what Priest BP could suddenly do. BP's power and ability keep fluctuating through the prep time which is most Batman-like. For a proof: Non-fan of BP like Horrorfan above might think similar like me. And wasn't BP comics doing so well that time?

Anyway I'm not going to bash BP anymore and therefore I apologize if my assumption comes to you in the wrong way. I think he's a cool character. IM is a cool character, although current writers have screwed him up in a bad way (I'm ok with it, but if writers screw Spidey I will protest )

I'm tired to prolong this versus thread and pray for good movies coming out about them soon.

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two points:

I guess this is where the problem lies.

1. BP's powers and abilities DON'T FLUCUATE, His Prep time has been that constant SINCE THE FIRST ISSUE HE APPEARED IN.
But because a reader had not read him outside of the Avengers,... they attribute what they do read him doing as "Batman-Like".
I'm sorry but Batman didn't start doing the plans within plans thing that BP is known for until After the BP was introduced.

2. Reference my Signature and my Avatar to see my favorite Marvel Character,...

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

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two points:

I guess this is where the problem lies.

1. BP's powers and abilities DON'T FLUCUATE, His Prep time has been that constant SINCE THE FIRST ISSUE HE APPEARED IN.
But because a reader had not read him outside of the Avengers,... they attribute what they do read him doing as "Batman-Like".
I'm sorry but Batman didn't start doing the plans within plans thing that BP is known for until After the BP was introduced.

2. Reference my Signature and my Avatar to see my favorite Marvel Character,...

Until, of course, Doctor Strange kicked his ass in hand to hand combat. That's very un "Batman-Like".

Either way, BP is fine as he is. Sure, I would think Iron Man would be better prepared for an encounter with BP, since he would know pretty much what BP is capable of. But that's just how the dice roll.

 

[Varient]

Until, of course, Doctor Strange kicked his ass in hand to hand combat. That's very un "Batman-Like".

Either way, BP is fine as he is. Sure, I would think Iron Man would be better prepared for an encounter with BP, since he would know pretty much what BP is capable of. But that's just how the dice roll.

Wish I'd seen that issue,....

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Eh, it sucked. Doc took out both Mantis and BP at the same time. No magic, no trickery, just straight ass kicking.

Strange is cool and all, but either one of those two (at least Mantis) should have beaten Strange. I guess Strange should have won, his high end martial arts training was a very critical factor of his magic. Oh well, that's a tangent. Either way.

BP is a super powerful BRAIN character. He's analytical, tactical, and very knowledgable. Someone said something about him having a world view, which is a VERY important thing. See, Tony up to about now has only had pretty much basic villans (not true, but mostly) to work with, that tend to not have a heavy understanding of his armor. (Of course, there are exceptions), and hasn't had to deal with entire nations on the level he now will. BP, on the other hand, being the leader of a country, has had to make sure his country was ready for things like this all along, and would have to (a la Batman) study his potential enemies well before hand. Iron Man has too, just to a far lesser extent.

If Iron Man put as much effort into studying BP (which God knows why he didn't) as he did into analyzing others like Captain America and such, the fight would have been written VERY differently. (Or it could be writers just didn't want Iron Man to win.) But the fact was, he didn't. BP knew the cards, and Iron Man was just learning how to play. Simple as that, really. Technology works best in the most capable hands. And while a trained Tony's would have been the most capable, it was BP in this one.

Doesn't make sense when I read it back to myself. I don't even think I understand the point I was trying to make. I'll rewrite it later.

 

[Horrorfan]

He's not just some NORMAL GUY, he has enhanced Stregnth, speed, agility, sight, hearing, and smell. He also has body armor that is absorbs impact and sound.The Avengers movies aren't canon at ALL BTW.

Why not just say you don't know what your talking about and move on.

And I never said Reed and others didn't share stuff I said they don't share ALL their stuff and they don't. BP designed the Quinjets, Falcons new hard light wings, has donatated god knows how much money to charity, offered sanctuary to the people of neighboring courtries during ethnic wars, and was intrumental in the the Avengers UN status.

Oh I thought he was just a normal guy, but if he has all that jazz then thats more understandable. I still say he couldn't take cap or iron man though. or the fantastic four. I just think you guys overrate him.

 

[Darthphere]

Oh I thought he was just a normal guy, but if he has all that jazz then thats more understandable. I still say he couldn't take cap or iron man though. or the fantastic four. I just think you guys overrate him.

But, he beat the Fantatsic Four.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Waaaaait... Tony designed the Quinjets.

 

[Darthphere]

Waaaaait... Tony designed the Quinjets.

Thats what they want you to think.

 

[Darthphere]

BP designed the New Quinjets, and many after that. But yes, Tony came up with it first.