Comics Is anyone actually excited for O.M.I.T?

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I'll read it just to round out the crap-fest saga, but after that I'll stick to Spider-Girl: the one TRUE continuity.

 

[dru-zod2501]

that's some BS, way to rub salt in the wounds Joey Q.

I guess 10 people might want to know the answers supplied in the book, but this only makes me hate the 616 spider-man-child even more

 

[Themanofbat]

I want to know why The New Avengers don't remember that they knew Peter was Spider-Man, why they didn't get their memories back, yet The Fantastic Four did...?

So, Pete and MJ made a deal with Mephisto to:
1-Heal Aunt May
2-Rebuild her house
3-Remove the marriage from existance
4-Mindwipe everyone on the planet so as to forget that Peter Parker was Spider-Man (i still know)
5-Remove Baby May from existance
6-Alter all forms of recorded information (statues, pictures, video, interviews) about Peter being Spider-Man
7-This doesn't count the unintended changes, wether Marvel wants to acknowledge them or not, they are there...

All Mephisto did was save Aunt May in exchange for the marriage never happening... the identity stuff was undone by Peter himself with the aid of an unknown ally.

 

[C. Pumpkins]

I want to know why The New Avengers don't remember that they knew Peter was Spider-Man, why they didn't get their memories back, yet The Fantastic Four did...?

This was another major screw up. When Spidey unmasked in front of The Avengers, they didn't remember that they knew who he was before. Yet the FF did! This was obviously an editorial screwup, but so far they haven't bothered to explain it!

I wonder if OMIT will explain this one somehow.

 

[Themanofbat]

I think the New Avengers' story was just a Bendis screw-up...

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

They said that an issue would explain it, in a back-up, well when they did do the back-up it didn't explain anything, just some dumb conversation between Parker and Jewel.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Alright, I'll bite.

Haven't been posting around here lately because I've been busy posting elsewhere about Lost.

Anyway, those of you who remember me know I was a vocal opponent of all this OMD/BND devil begotten single life nonsense. That said, I am interested in OMIT. Again, although I strongly feel Pete & MJ should remain married, if they had to redo things, it should have been a Loki trick, not a Mephisto deal (end mini-soapbox).

And although Joe Q is writing it (he's not doing the art, is he? I hope not), I hope he doesn't make MJ into some shrew.

But, yes, if nothing else, I hope it clears up things.

Oh, and TMOB, Pete's ID restored was part of the Mephisto deal. MJ made sure he threw that in. So, although we'll get an in universe explanation for what happened, it still happens as part of the bargain.

 

[mre]

We don't really know for sure that MJ asked Mephisto to restore Pete's secret identity. For all we know she could have asked Mephisto to keep baby May alive.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

We don't really know for sure that MJ asked Mephisto to restore Pete's secret identity. For all we know she could have asked Mephisto to keep baby May alive.

No, I wasn't referring to the whisper. She out and out asks for Pete's secret ID to be restored or else the same thing could possibly happen again.

I'd say go back and read it again, but I wouldn't want to do that to you.

 

[Donald Thomas]

No, I wasn't referring to the whisper. She out and out asks for Pete's secret ID to be restored or else the same thing could possibly happen again.

I'd say go back and read it again, but I wouldn't want to do that to you.

Aloha,
You are correct sir.Notice that Mephisto states to "Mrs. Parker"that the reason he choose Peter and MJ was that theirs was an unconditional love, "holy in the eyes of him that I hate the most" to deny him of this marriage is such an unimaginable victory, consider his(Peter's) identity forgotten.
Amazing Spider-Man #545
Spidey rules

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Aloha,
You are correct sir.Notice that Mephisto states to "Mrs. Parker"that the reason he choose Peter and MJ was that theirs was an unconditional love, "holy in the eyes of him that I hate the most" to deny him of this marriage is such an unimaginable victory, consider his(Peter's) identity forgotten.
Amazing Spider-Man #545
Spidey rules

Thanks for the back-up. Not sure if you had that info memorized or if you had to go back to it. If you had to go back to it, thanks for taking one for the team!

 

[mre]

Ahh crazy. Thanks. I must have erased it from my mind. Or made a deal with someone to erase it from my mind.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Ahh crazy. Thanks. I must have erased it from my mind.

If only we all could.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Thanks for the back-up. Not sure if you had that info memorized or if you had to go back to it. If you had to go back to it, thanks for taking one for the team!

Aloha,
No I don't memorize this stuff, I"m bad at the Trivia games. I went back and actually read it.Love it or hate it-before you read OMIT you should go back and read OMD.
Spidey rules

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Do I have to?
*cries*

 

[shinlyle]

Aloha,
I have a fan fiction regarding what happened to the organic webbing, based in part upon The Other story line. I base my premise upon what transpired between Dr. Strange and Spidey during that period. I quote Doc Strange verbatim.I'm very excited about the new reveal. I posted on another Spider-Man thread the fact that we don't hear the moaning from fans anymore. Gee-the stories are good.Some fans have a love hate relationship with these boards. If they can't hate-they have nothing to talk about. If they love-they're silent. Oh well. Looking forward to the big reveal. I'm sure-they'll leave us hanging on somethings-just to string us along for a little while longer.
Spidey rules

Did someone say, "hate"?t:

Kidding!

Honestly, I've picked up maybe 5 or 6 Spidey issues since the reboot. None have grabbed me. They've all felt like throwaway stories so much so that I've forgotten which ones I read, except for ASM#600, which I only remember for my anger at MJ catching the bouquet...knowing nothing would become of it. There is just no sense of consequence regarding what happens to Peter and co. anymore. It's all going to fall abck to the status quo, so why bother getting invested?

Keep in mind, I'm jaded with pretty much EVERYTHING the big two do nowadays. It all centers around a big event, and individual character don't matter as they once did. Writing has honestly taken a backseat to trying to get in the mainstream news by killing/marrying/divorcing/outting a character and getting some attention. We could debate the pros/cons of this type of storytelling, but we both know it'll inevitably lead to someone saying, "Superman#75", and the argument ends.

That being said, I have NO itnerest in reading a story to give me the answers to what happened, when I have two copies of what ACTUALLY happened sitting on my bookcase at home. I despise retroactive storytelling.

That being said, I miss posting on here with you guys, but I just don't have the time to post about a character I no longer follow. I love me some Spidey, when he's written well, and when there isn't a loogie hocked into the face of the fanbase every few months, which there still is. I'd love to work for the big "M", but I just don't understand their logic. Also, that isn't a call for a million, "Spidey should be single because he works better that way" arguments either. It'll just produce an equally poignant, "Heroes don't solve their probelms by making deals with demons/the devil" arguments.

So, I don't think it's that, people love the sotries, so they're quiet, I think that, like me, they've realized that complaining isn't going to do anything. People are going to continue to buy Spider-Man books because he's Spider-Man. That's never going to change. The books can be crap, or they can be great, they'll still sell.

Anyways, miss you guys. DT, TMOB, you guys still rock. Hope all is well for you guys on here.

 

[moraldeficiency]

That's kinda how I feel, I've lost any real feeling for the character for the moment. Tried a bunch of these BND stories and they've just felt like rehashes with a glossy finish of something resembling a new or more creative direction. Either coming up with direct knock of characters, or just slight tweeks to the same old storylines. I really thought part of BND was to give us something actually new, but say what you will about JMS you actually saw new concepts, dynamics and stories being introduced (loved the idea of Peter being a teacher). Some were good some were bad but it wasn't the exact same spider-man story being told just with different art.

Am I excited for OMIT? Not at all, couldn't care about it anymore. Way I figure, just like in the clone saga I'll wait it out till they have to make this interesting again and then I'll jump back on board.

When I'd talk comics I used to say I loved spider-man, then after OMD I was pretty vocal about how it needs to be changed, now I just say it's treading water and pretty much sucks. That's about how I feel.

Joey Q was smart to write this himself though. Better to keep as much animosity about all this directed at him then any individual writer. But you know this is gonna suck, only a few artists can actually write decent stories and he ain't on that list.

 

[shinlyle]

That's kinda how I feel, I've lost any real feeling for the character for the moment. Tried a bunch of these BND stories and they've just felt like rehashes with a glossy finish of something resembling a new or more creative direction. Either coming up with direct knock of characters, or just slight tweeks to the same old storylines. I really thought part of BND was to give us something actually new, but say what you will about JMS you actually saw new concepts, dynamics and stories being introduced (loved the idea of Peter being a teacher). Some were good some were bad but it wasn't the exact same spider-man story being told just with different art.

Am I excited for OMIT? Not at all, couldn't care about it anymore. Way I figure, just like in the clone saga I'll wait it out till they have to make this interesting again and then I'll jump back on board.

When I'd talk comics I used to say I loved spider-man, then after OMD I was pretty vocal about how it needs to be changed, now I just say it's treading water and pretty much sucks. That's about how I feel.

Joey Q was smart to write this himself though. Better to keep as much animosity about all this directed at him then any individual writer. But you know this is gonna suck, only a few artists can actually write decent stories and he ain't on that list.

And WTF is up with the artwork?! I checked out the three parter by Stern/Weeks, and it (art-wise) was awesome, so I decided to open up some issues from the Gauntlet, and MAN, it was painful. I'm not knocking the artist, but his style just did NOT work for Spidey. I checked out some more issues off of the racks, and they were more miss than hit onthe art side. The worst thing being that the covers are ALL awesome!!

Of course, Bachalo hit a homerun with his artwork on the Lizard Story...
...then I heard the story was just kind of there.

MD- yeah, the school teacher job was the best part of the Spidey books in years, and they just let it die on the vine! Of course, it could be worse....you could be Paul or Jill Stacy, who are less loved than Kaine! We've seen Kaine in the past year, but Paul and Jill are ghosts. They weren't very memorable characters, but they deserved better than that.

I'll also add one more thing: I MIGHT be inclined to try ASM out regularly again, if it wasn't for the fact that it would cost me between 9 and 12 dollars a month thanks to the ASMx3 schedule...which they started to do away with multiple titles...then they started Web and Peter Parker...what?!?!

 

[Themanofbat]

Web is done with issue #12, and Peter Parker is a 5 issue mini...

 

[Meehaul]

ASM has been quite good this year. Better than it's been in years, I think (or years before OMD). In some respects, I wish they'd leave all the "answers" to OMD in the past. Continuity is nice, but its never been a strong suit in 40, 50, and 60 year old comic book properties. DC basically gave up on Batman and Superman continuity. The Flash, GL, and Aquaman have all gotten re-boots. Wolverine has so many origins it makes the head spin. I give Marvel kudos for trying to keep continuity more or less intact. And I appreciate the pain those who liked a married Spidey and Pete as a teacher feel ( and I'm definitely not one of those people. I boycotted ASM back in the day when he first got married and pretty much hated much of the JMS run), but its tough to pull off clear continuity in characters that are so old. I wondered whether Marvel needed to destroy the "616" universe and start over with the Ultimate-verse (which is where I thought they were headed), but its not commercially feasible to do so, I guess.

I don't look forward to OMIT, as I suspect it will be pretty horrible, but I'm trying to be hopeful. I just wanted MJ killed off in a simple, not super-hero related car or subway accident. Would have worked for me.

 

[moraldeficiency]

MD- yeah, the school teacher job was the best part of the Spidey books in years, and they just let it die on the vine! Of course, it could be worse....you could be Paul or Jill Stacy, who are less loved than Kaine! We've seen Kaine in the past year, but Paul and Jill are ghosts. They weren't very memorable characters, but they deserved better than that.

I'll also add one more thing: I MIGHT be inclined to try ASM out regularly again, if it wasn't for the fact that it would cost me between 9 and 12 dollars a month thanks to the ASMx3 schedule...which they started to do away with multiple titles...then they started Web and Peter Parker...what?!?!

Yeah the Stacy's need to be left to rest, I agree. I did like Kaine though. Insane evil spider-man clone sounds good to me, just wish he looked less like an old midwestern trucker with "issues".

I actually thought Web and the Mr. Negative mini were the only original stories with Spider-Man since OMD.

Don't worry about buying it though, nothing drastic is gonna happen for a very long time. We'll just get a bunch of long lost relatives no one's ever heard of before until they get old, a bunch of reworked villains, until the originals come back and take their places again. And a few easily fixed events, many of which seem to focus on the Bugle for some reason. JJJJr doesn't own the Bugle (happened), the bugle blowed up (happened). I will say JJJJr being the mayor was a good idea but then they just made him completely one note, when he's actually a pretty good leader. Main thing I've seen happen drastic is Flash lost his legs (far too easily fixable) and Billy Connors is dead (which since he has a genius dad and lizard regenerating blood will only last till the next writer needs to go back to that well, plus bad idea, connor's duality is what made him interesting).

I'd say just do like with the clone saga, wait and soon they'll have everything back in some form or readability soon. Though to be fair there are plenty here that are completely happy with the exact same tale told in a slightly different way, which is a reader choice.

 

[Meehaul]

Might be interesting to ressurrect (and cannonize) Pete's childhood abuse. Pete could come out of the closet as a "gay man" and self-medicate with alcohol and huffing. We've never seen Pete portrayed either as gay, and he's only been drunk a couple of times, so if Pete started to explore his masculinity and what that means to him, it might make sense. He might even come to grips with the fact he married an actress/super model as a " beard" of sorts not because he was grieving for Gwen, but because he had struggled with his own identity since his abuse. After all, why adopt a spandex-wearing, joke-spewing alter ego unless you've got something truly difficult you're trying to deal with? Marvel could explore the psychological affects of child abuse and the difficulty of being a gay man in a predominantly homophobic subculture. Sure, Northstar was gay, as is the current Batwoman, but never has such a prominent character been portrayed as gay, nor has anyone bled much ink on the socio-psychological problems gay mem encounter when faced with overt homophobia.

Pete went to a psychiatrist in the past and had at least one nervous breakdown where he adopted the "spider" persona. I suspect that has something to do with his inability to understand who he is as a person. He moved on from Gwen and made the deal with Mephisto because of his inability to confront the reality of a relationship that was, at base, dissatisfying.

It would make for completely fresh stories and would be a courageous step on Marvel's part. It could also be seamlessly woven into present continuity. Because, let's face it, after the first 40 or so issues of ASM, we've generally been getting the same tale told in slightly different ways. How often did we have to hear MJ whine, really? And how can you take "Oh things are so terrible" from a guy with super powers, married to a super model, living in posh digs? It gets old, fast. I don't doubt Marvel will bring Pete and MJ back together at some point. Just like Steve Rogers will be Cap again, Doc Ock will be back, and Billy Connors will regenerate at the Lizard II. But thats what happens when you can't age a character or allow him to go off in completely new directions.

 

[Themanofbat]

Yep... people say that we've been reading "rehashed stories", but we've been getting a semblance of "rehashed stories" since the 70's... personally, I like the current tales, and yes, I cab see some semblance in some stories to older ones, but I saw the same thing ine th 80's and ESPECIALLY in the 90's, so why is it such a big deal NOW?

Just my two cents...

 

[Donald Thomas]

Yep... people say that we've been reading "rehashed stories", but we've been getting a semblance of "rehashed stories" since the 70's... personally, I like the current tales, and yes, I cab see some semblance in some stories to older ones, but I saw the same thing ine th 80's and ESPECIALLY in the 90's, so why is it such a big deal NOW?

Just my two cents...

Aloha,
See that's the thing. While comic books are no longer for Kids Only! Adults who started reading when they were younger are going to see similarities in stories from decades past because they've lived that long to see the similaritiesThe new readers-the ones that these titles are being marketed primarily for-have no such recall.Plus the internet allows people with a wealth of knowledge on the characters to interact with a world community making them aware of rehashed storylines.
Spidey rules

 

[imdaly]

I look at my OWN life and I see a lot of rehashes to what's already happened to me again.