The Dark Knight Is Batman to blame for Harvey's death too?

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Hi,

I was thinking about the ending of TDK...

"5 dead, 2 of them cops"

I know there is a thread on this, but I read a lot of it and didn't see this mentioned at all.

Okay, so Batman is taking the blame for the 5 deaths. But what about Harvey's death? This is never mentioned in the movie. Harvey is dead. Gotham knows Harvey is dead. What does Gotham think? Does Gotham think Batman killed Harvey too? and what reason does Gotham believe Batman killed him for? and if not, how did Gordon explain Harvey's death? He had to paint a picture and keep him as a "white knight".... sooo... how would he explain him falling to his death?

In my opinion, Batman 3 will open with/include... Batman is blamed for 6 deaths, not 5. He is Harvey's killer too. How else can it be explained?

Greg
 
Ramirez is still alive to know the truth about Dent...who knows...
 
This just camed to me.......When the said "two of them cops" could Gordon have meant Dent? I mean Harvey Dent used to be in IAB(internal affair bureau) and he also said that he didnt like the major crimes unit because it was full of cops that he investigated. So could it be that the Harvey Dent from Nolan's universe use to be a cop before he became a lawyer?
 
This just camed to me.......When the said "two of them cops" could Gordon have meant Dent? I mean Harvey Dent used to be in IAB(internal affair bureau) and he also said that he didnt like the major crimes unit because it was full of cops that he investigated. So could it be that the Harvey Dent from Nolan's universe use to be a cop before he became a lawyer?

Possible...But I doubt it...

...Also...If Rachael is to have a memorial...How will they explain her death...?
 
If he isn't blamed, I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem taking the heat for that either. I too, don't know how else they will explain Harvey's death besides putting it on Batman. With Rachel dead, its not like Bruce has anyone to explain things to, concerning the situation. Alfred I'm sure will be onboard with his decision, he's the one that told him that he wasn't a hero in the first place.
 
Maybe they'll pen it on the hospital explosion...
 
Well the cops outside the interogation room witnessed the joker saying that he had Racheal and Harvey in buildings and that they had to be saved by Batman. Plus there were all the cops that arrived on scene when the building Racheal was in blew up. So I guess everyone would blame that one on the joker.
 
to be honest though, Batman is to blame for Dent's death. He kinda did break his one rule. Nolan could have killed him in a cleaner way.
 
to be honest though, Batman is to blame for Dent's death. He kinda did break his one rule. Nolan could have killed him in a cleaner way.

Madness is like gravity. All you need is a little push. :woot:
 
He did save a life in the prosess...


If he wasen't such a *****e, he'd still be alive- Harvey '*****ebag' Dent!
 
to be honest though, Batman is to blame for Dent's death. He kinda did break his one rule. Nolan could have killed him in a cleaner way.

Sure, Batman broke his one rule, but if you were in that position, and that was the quickest, easiest decision to make in the heat of the moment, wouldn't you too?

A young boy's life was at stake. I don't really see any time for thought, just reaction. I would have done exactly the same in Batman's place, despite "rules." When you put another person's life at stake, you'd better be ready for others to try to take you down, much as Dent thought he was when he shot Batman. He wasn't ready, and Batman accidentally killed him in the process.
 
He did save a life in the prosess...
BUT THATS THE POINT. Batman doesn't kill. Period. Why killDent over Joker, who WILL go on to kill so very many more?

But alas, thats an age-old debate...
 
BUT THATS THE POINT. Batman doesn't kill. Period. Why killDent over Joker, who WILL go on to kill so very many more?

But alas, thats an age-old debate...

"I won't kill you...but I don't HAVE to save you."

He didn't purposefully kill Dent, but he wasn't about to save him over Gordons son either.
 
Harvey Dent is not dead!!! No way, no how, no death. The public thinks he is - but get this - this is not the first time Gordon has made the public think someone is dead! Dent is locked up in Arkham, and it is a secret, a huge secret, and it is one of the things that tears Gordon and Gotham up in the third film. Why? Because there is a man out there, a man obsessed with knowledge, a man who reinvents the phone sonar for his own twisted use, a man who finds out the truth - not just about Dent, but also about Bruce Wayne. A man who does not have the charisma to rule the underworld, but he does have the knowledge on how it can be done - and he has to spring Two-Face and Joker in order for them to create and hold together the empire he dreams of - one he can never openly control, but can only remain behind the scenes, using his information to direct things his way, until his obsessiveness eventually betrays him - I think you know of whom I speak.........
 
Harvey Dent is not dead!!! No way, no how, no death. The public thinks he is - but get this - this is not the first time Gordon has made the public think someone is dead! Dent is locked up in Arkham, and it is a secret, a huge secret, and it is one of the things that tears Gordon and Gotham up in the third film. Why? Because there is a man out there, a man obsessed with knowledge, a man who reinvents the phone sonar for his own twisted use, a man who finds out the truth - not just about Dent, but also about Bruce Wayne. A man who does not have the charisma to rule the underworld, but he does have the knowledge on how it can be done - and he has to spring Two-Face and Joker in order for them to create and hold together the empire he dreams of - one he can never openly control, but can only remain behind the scenes, using his information to direct things his way, until his obsessiveness eventually betrays him - I think you know of whom I speak.........

:whatever:
 
Harvey Dent is not dead!!! No way, no how, no death. The public thinks he is - but get this - this is not the first time Gordon has made the public think someone is dead! Dent is locked up in Arkham, and it is a secret, a huge secret, and it is one of the things that tears Gordon and Gotham up in the third film. Why? Because there is a man out there, a man obsessed with knowledge, a man who reinvents the phone sonar for his own twisted use, a man who finds out the truth - not just about Dent, but also about Bruce Wayne. A man who does not have the charisma to rule the underworld, but he does have the knowledge on how it can be done - and he has to spring Two-Face and Joker in order for them to create and hold together the empire he dreams of - one he can never openly control, but can only remain behind the scenes, using his information to direct things his way, until his obsessiveness eventually betrays him - I think you know of whom I speak.........

Didn't you get the mem-oh?
 
to be honest though, Batman is to blame for Dent's death. He kinda did break his one rule. Nolan could have killed him in a cleaner way.

Why have him killed in a cleaner way? So it can be just like every cliche superhero movie ala the Spider-Man deaths? Harvey's fall was symbolic. Batman was the one who pushed him, saving Gordon's kid. Both fell. Only one gets up (the true hero), yet he has to lie to preserve the reputation of the villain. That's Nolan for you.
 
Why have him killed in a cleaner way? So it can be just like every cliche superhero movie ala the Spider-Man deaths? Harvey's fall was symbolic. Batman was the one who pushed him, saving Gordon's kid. Both fell. Only one gets up (the true hero), yet he has to lie to preserve the reputation of the villain. That's Nolan for you.


I must have missed something or another somewhere along the line.

I take it you DIDN'T like the movie?
 
So do we all agree that Batman WILL be blamed for Dent's death and Gotham will hate him for it?
 
BUT THATS THE POINT. Batman doesn't kill. Period. Why killDent over Joker, who WILL go on to kill so very many more?

But alas, thats an age-old debate...

That's the tragedy of it, compounded even more so by the fact that Dent wasn't going to kill Gordon's son.
 
I must have missed something or another somewhere along the line.

I take it you DIDN'T like the movie?

I thought I made myself clear with that post. :huh:

I loved the movie, and I thought the ending (especially Harvey's death) was excellent.
 
Didn't you get the mem-oh?


You got to read deeper - all you hear is "Harvey Dent is dead". Speaking metaphoricaly, the man who was Harvey Dent is dead. Everything he could do, all the potential he had, his girlfriend, his job, his world, all dead and gone.

The thing, Harvey Two-Face, more commonly known as Two-Face, is alive and festering.

You wait and see, I'll show ya.

Batman does not kill, period. Not on purpose, not by accident, because the man does not have accidents. If he had killed Harvey then that would be the end, he would turn himself in to make Harvey an ever bigger martyr.

Can you imagine the shock on everyones face, the unexpected return, the wailing "but you told me he was dead". The unbelieveableness will rock your world and amaze and delight you. That is what Nolan is about - not just satisfying the consumer, but absolutely delighting the consumer 150%. If you think the third movie is going to be "ho-hum, another villian to capture, Batman faces an identity crisis" then you don't know nothing about Nolan. You have to think outside the box, beyond outside the box, way beyond your Truman Show world, to just begin to grasp where the next movie is going to come from.
 

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