Is DC the new 52 working

[Biga07405]

do you think the reboot is doing what it's supposed to be doing

 

[Dangerman]

I think it's working. However I do believe they should have done a full reboot instead of a soft reboot and they should have just started from the ground up using the Earth One books as the origins. I think it would have been better that way. MY thing is if you're going to start over than really start over. Re-introduce the Joker, Ivy, Bane, Riddler (see Earth One), Two-Face, etc and Robin for that matter. I think had they done that it would have been much better. Because you could have still introduced and kept new people like Batwoman and company but it would have truly felt like a new world and the big summer event could have been the formation of the Justice League.

 

[DeGenerate10]

I think it's working. However I do believe they should have done a full reboot instead of a soft reboot and they should have just started from the ground up using the Earth One books as the origins. I think it would have been better that way. MY thing is if you're going to start over than really start over. Re-introduce the Joker, Ivy, Bane, Riddler (see Earth One), Two-Face, etc and Robin for that matter. I think had they done that it would have been much better. Because you could have still introduced and kept new people like Batwoman and company but it would have truly felt like a new world and the big summer event could have been the formation of the Justice League.

I agree I just don't know how comics like Nightwing and such would work with a full reboot.

 

[Czar Colossus]

It should have been implemented the way Marvel did with the Ultimate line; not canceling everything, potentially trashing a lot of good continuity (to get rid of some bad). 52 new titles was totally unnecessary. I wanted legitimate Action & Detective Comics # 1000 someday!

 

[ThDWgeek]

It should have been implemented the way Marvel did with the Ultimate line; not canceling everything, potentially trashing a lot of good continuity (to get rid of some bad). 52 new titles was totally unnecessary. I wanted legitimate Action & Detective Comics # 1000 someday!

I reckon the numbers for Action Comics (at the very least) will revert to their pre-Flashpoint level. Like in a couple of years when it gets to what would have been issue 950, or for the thousandth issue itself.

 

[Dangerman]

It should have been implemented the way Marvel did with the Ultimate line; not canceling everything, potentially trashing a lot of good continuity (to get rid of some bad). 52 new titles was totally unnecessary. I wanted legitimate Action & Detective Comics # 1000 someday!

That's the point of Earth One (which IMO should switch to a monthly format as well).

 

[Dangerman]

I agree I just don't know how comics like Nightwing and such would work with a full reboot.

It' doesn't you just start over. Meaning Dick goes back to being Robin and you rebuild him up again change somethings around but show that this a new world with a lot of changes. Like it or not that's what Earth One Superman gave us. The new 52 while good is pretty much the old world with a few things changed.

 

[Lord]

While i agree with a 100% reboot, i don't think Earth One books should be used as origins, and for the better or worse the new 52 DC actually feels like a new universe, and while Batman seems like the same, any writer can change parts of his origin and early years if he wants, the dc universe is in a very maliable form right now.

 

[Dangerman]

While i agree with a 100% reboot, i don't think Earth One books should be used as origins, and for the better or worse the new 52 DC actually feels like a new universe, and while Batman seems like the same, any writer can change parts of his origin and early years if he wants, the dc universe is in a very maliable form right now.

Not really in a span of 5 years we had Blackest Night, The Sinestro Corps War, Knightfall saga, Doomsday, Dick starting out as Robin, then Jason and now Tim as well as a few other events. Starting fresh would have been the best route then just picking and choosing what to keep and toss I say go the way of Earth One because then you don't have to redo the origins seeing how Superman's and Batman's are already in place from there. You have a more believable Daily Planet staff and you are doing the same story where the people are learning to trust Superman plus those who hate new 52 outfit you have an updated version of the classic suit.

I also say they should not have touched Earth-2 if you are going to visit there. There is no need to kill off Lois and make Superman a killer or try to force to the point of what would push him to kill. Nor was there a need to change the Earth-2 suits. But that's a whole other story.

 

[WolfCypher]

I like that idea that the formation of the Justice League could have been DC's big summer Event. JL's origin story in this new Universe was lacking IMO.

I'm glad DC is selling big with this reboot, but for me there are far too many cons than pros. The only books that I 100% love are ironically enough the characters that were rebooted the least; Green Lantern and Batman. While everyone else, having new status quos, origins, etc., are suffering the most, especially Blue Beetle and the Teen Titans, titles I was dying to read and wanted to love.

 

[Motown Marvel]

for me personally, its not working. i'm buying less DC comics than i ever have. for the most part, the characters and stories arent working for me. all the good things that have come from this all could have been accomplished without a relaunch. but there is so much nonsensical bad stuff, its making DC look bad and has me less excited about their books.

as for how its working financially for DC: sure, it started with a big splash, thats to be expected. but arent the sales on track to essentially revert back to pre-flashpoint figures?

 

[WolfCypher]

My question is, is it the new readers, their intended target, that have pushed their sells to all-time highs, or are their sells high because of the longterm readers taking a chance with N52? Because I would find it ironic if its the latter.

 

[gugumugats]

The sale numbers from January/February looked like they were leveling off, and they were still pretty high for comic book sales these days (50,000+). I'm amazed that the Justice League series is still around 100,000+ at this point.

I was one of the few people who was actually excited for the New 52. I love what they did with my favorite character (The Flash!!!) and also with Wonder Woman, but I'm not exactly a big fan of some of the changes they've made with other characters (Superman wears armor ?!).

 

[Dangerman]

The sale numbers from January/February looked like they were leveling off, and they were still pretty high for comic book sales these days (50,000+). I'm amazed that the Justice League series is still around 100,000+ at this point.

I was one of the few people who was actually excited for the New 52. I love what they did with my favorite character (The Flash!!!) and also with Wonder Woman, but I'm not exactly a big fan of some of the changes they've made with other characters (Superman wears armor ?!).

apparently he wears it not because he needs armor but because he is tired of his clothes ripping.

 

[gugumugats]

apparently he wears it not because he needs armor but because he is tired of his clothes ripping.

Superman and his armor come from an advanced scientific race. I'm sure they can device a less armor-ish looking but durable/invulnerable fabric.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Well, you're in luck because that is exactly how it is described by Brainiac. An indestructible fabric, it's not a solid armour, it's only armour in the sense that the fabric cannot break.

 

[Lord]

Not really in a span of 5 years we had Blackest Night, The Sinestro Corps War, Knightfall saga, Doomsday, Dick starting out as Robin, then Jason and now Tim as well as a few other events. Starting fresh would have been the best route then just picking and choosing what to keep and toss I say go the way of Earth One because then you don't have to redo the origins seeing how Superman's and Batman's are already in place from there. You have a more believable Daily Planet staff and you are doing the same story where the people are learning to trust Superman plus those who hate new 52 outfit you have an updated version of the classic suit.

I also say they should not have touched Earth-2 if you are going to visit there. There is no need to kill off Lois and make Superman a killer or try to force to the point of what would push him to kill. Nor was there a need to change the Earth-2 suits. But that's a whole other story.

Did you see how different Batman: Earth One is going to be from hte normal one? How different Alfred is? And not let Morrison revamp Superman's origin as he likes? NO! Superman: Earth One wasn't very good, and i'm not even one of it's most passionate haters, but i''m liking Morrison's aproach much more.

Besides, as i said, much can be changed, what wasn't writen before the new 52 can be altered, the Batman and GL mythos seems intact, but a new writer can completelly contradict those events anytime he wants, when i mentioned the 100% reboot idea in the DC reboot thread they all said that it's much better for DC to pick and choose the stories that are still canon acording to the current writers choices.

 

[kguillou]

I will say, I am loving DC's newfound enthousiasm for their company in general. They're really going above and beyond to promote their books and products these days. From tv commercials, to news spots, to their product endorsements (i dont know about you guys but i've been seeing DC's characters everywhere since the New 52 started). You really havta admire this new aggressive marketing push.

 

[The Batman]

I would've rebooted fully, IMO, presenting each character in their most familiar/iconic version, which means Dick as Robin, Wally as Kid Flash, Donna as Wonder Girl, etc. Exceptions would be Jaime Reyes as Blue Beetle or Jason Rusch as Firestorm. Yeah, fans would be pissed, but if you're gonna do this, might as well go all the way. I'd let Morrison finish off Batman Inc, which would be the final pre flashpoint book published.

And Batman would be wearing his friggin oval, dammit.

 

[Motown Marvel]

My question is, is it the new readers, their intended target, that have pushed their sells to all-time highs, or are their sells high because of the longterm readers taking a chance with N52? Because I would find it ironic if its the latter.

enjoy the irony, then....

Finally, in somewhat related news, the results of a Nielsen survey on the “New 52″ audience ordered by DC Comics were recently released. According to the survey, 95% of the initial “New 52″ customers were existing or “lapsed” comics fans, 93% were male and 98% were aged 18 and up. In other words, for all the promotional efforts and lip service paid by DC to the notion of reaching “new” readers, it pretty clearly did not happen. Or, as Dark Horse Comics publisher Mike Richardson recently told comics retailers, “Superheroes may pay the bills for now, but they aren’t bringing in new customers.” This isn’t news, per se, to anyone who’s been paying attention, but the survey makes it as official as it’s going to get. And the degree of the failure is still unexpectedly dire.

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/02/28/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-january-2012/

 

[Mace Dolex]

Because I used to get all my information via Wizard magazine because I'm too lazy to search online I haven't a clue what has been changed with 52.

 

[Aesculapius]

I would've rebooted fully, IMO, presenting each character in their most familiar/iconic version, which means Dick as Robin, Wally as Kid Flash, Donna as Wonder Girl, etc. Exceptions would be Jaime Reyes as Blue Beetle or Jason Rusch as Firestorm. Yeah, fans would be pissed, but if you're gonna do this, might as well go all the way. I'd let Morrison finish off Batman Inc, which would be the final pre flashpoint book published.

And Batman would be wearing his friggin oval, dammit.

This except for the oval.

That said, I have been buying more DC comics than ever since the Flashpoint event. Currently a big Deathstroke fan (as if you couldn't tell.)

 

[Micromind]

DC DOMINATES FEBRUARY TOP TEN, MARVEL LEADS IN OVERALL DOLLARS/UNITS


DC Comics swept the top ten single issues for the second month in a row with Geoff Johns and Jim Lee's "Justice League" #6 at the top. "Justice League" continues its incredible run as the top selling issue each month it's had a new installment since the premiere of the New 52 in August 2011. Bat-books once again comprised the bulk of the top ten issues sold with #6 issues of "Batman," "Detective Comics," "Batman: The Dark Knight" and "Batman And Robin" all breaking the top ten. Fan-favorite title "Aquaman" jumped to the ninth spot this month, trading places with "Batman and Robin."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?
page=article&id=37444

1 JUSTICE LEAGUE #6
2 BATMAN #6
3 ACTION COMICS #6
4 DETECTIVE COMICS #6
5 GREEN LANTERN #6
6 BATMAN THE DARK KNIGHT #6
7 SUPERMAN #6
8 FLASH #6
9 AQUAMAN #6
10 BATMAN AND ROBIN #6
..........

15 WONDER WOMAN #6

Since Marvel's most popular titles are double shipping in a single month therefore they sell more, resulting in more dollar share.

 

[Lord]

In least Wonder Woman is selling well, i hope it reaches the top 10 one day

 

[Spider-Nerd]

Batman the dark knight sells that well? Wow.