Is there something wrong with the Snyderverse?

[Timebomb]

It does, yes, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about it from here on if snyder stays onboard, and I doubt he goes anywhere unless JL tanks, and if that happens, the wheels will grind to a halt anyway.

Let's all be honest. It's at that point that no matter how good or bad JL is, it will probably be a hit financially. SS proves that there are enough blind fans that will flock to the theaters in droves to see these movies regardless of the quality. I mean a movie that was basically edited by committee and a trailer company is going to make 600 plus at the BO. I mean the the studio basically gave the audience a big middle finger and people go and say thank you give me more. That is the biggest sin and why I don't know if WB will even care who is directing these movies. Why would they concern themselves with quality if we are going to eat their droppings anyway.

 

[-Arya-]

Let's all be honest. It's at that point that no matter how good or bad JL is, it will probably be a hit financially. SS proves that there are enough blind fans that will flock to the theaters in droves to see these movies regardless of the quality. I mean a movie that was basically edited by committee and a trailer company is going to make 600 plus at the BO. I mean the the studio basically gave the audience a big middle finger and people go and say thank you give me more. That is the biggest sin and why I don't know if WB will even care who is directing these movies. Why would they concern themselves with quality if we are going to eat their droppings anyway.

Because sooner or later the trickery with good trailers and average/bad films won't work for audiences anymore.

 

[Timebomb]

Because sooner or later the trickery with good trailers and average/bad films won't work for audiences anymore.

That's what I thought but I don't know anymore. These movies apparently have a built in fan base that just doesn't care. Do these movies deserve to be financially successful? Does this studio deserve to make anything off this mess they cobbled together?

The Nolan trilogy deserved every cent they earned. These? Frustrating.

 

[BlZARRO]

Let's all be honest. It's at that point that no matter how good or bad JL is, it will probably be a hit financially. SS proves that there are enough blind fans that will flock to the theaters in droves to see these movies regardless of the quality. I mean a movie that was basically edited by committee and a trailer company is going to make 600 plus at the BO. I mean the the studio basically gave the audience a big middle finger and people go and say thank you give me more. That is the biggest sin and why I don't know if WB will even care who is directing these movies. Why would they concern themselves with quality if we are going to eat their droppings anyway.

Blind fans? To you people who enjoy these movies are blind? Why? Just because you decided so? Just because in your head, the fact that a movie might displease 35% of the audience it means it is bad? Maybe we could say the same about those who didn't like it. Maybe the blind ones are those. What do you say? All things considered, they're still the minority.

 

[Flint Marko]

Because sooner or later the trickery with good trailers and average/bad films won't work for audiences anymore.

We can only hope. I don't want the well poisoned any further by these subpar efforts.

 

[-Arya-]

We can only hope. I don't want the well poisoned any further by these subpar efforts.

Neither do I. It's maddening how WB managed to screw up this bad. What they have learned however is that the GA is ready for DC films, but WB needs to fix these issues before that excitement turns to apathy. It'll happen over night if JL turns out bad. I'm praying to the gods that it won't happen because we might not see another connected universe for years.

 

[Timebomb]

Neither do I. It's maddening how WB managed to screw up this bad. What they have learned however is that the GA is ready for DC films, but WB needs to fix these issues before that excitement turns to apathy. It'll happen over night if JL turns out bad. I'm praying to the gods that it won't happen because we might not see another connected universe for years.

Yeah. Don't take my frustration as not wanting a DCEU. I just want great movies. All the ingredients are there, there apparently aren't any good chefs. I want to look forward to a Batman and JL movie every other year. However, I want to look forward to them. So I want JL to be good, I just want it to earn it.

 

[Serpico Jones]

They could start with hiring someone who has actually read a comic that wasn't written by Frank Miller.

 

[harlequinade]

Because sooner or later the trickery with good trailers and average/bad films won't work for audiences anymore.

Exactly. I saw BvS and Squad theatrically and will see Wonder Woman...unless the history repeats itself and it gets destroyed in critical reception and gets lukewarm fan response.

But I'm probably not going to see JL . It just doesn't look that interesting to me so far and I couldn't care less about Cyborg or Flash. And based on what I've seen so far it's just doesn't look like it will be a good movie. I have no reason to trust WB. Yes, Affleck rewrote it but at that point it's not enough.

 

[K-Rayner05]

It would really suck if they keep releasing bad films, that just make lots of money; which then results in them making more without changing things up...

DC films turn into the transformers series

 

[AnneFan]

Everyone on the hype gets to direct their own DC movie.

I call dibs on Nightwing.

Okay, but I have dibs on Bruce and Selina: Fun in Florence.

 

[idiot09]

Okay, but I have dibs on Bruce and Selina: Fun in Florence.

Who would you cast as Selina?I have no idea at all

 

[-JKR-]

Here's what's wrong with the 'Snyderverse' (is that really a thing?):

Warner Bros. freaking out over the overblown negative reactions to Batman V Superman, and prompting David Ayer to basically cut Suicide Squad to shreds. There were so many hints to a much more complete and satisfying movie in there, but they just took bits and pieces and spliced them into a narrative which they probably thought would do better in today's Marvel dominated landscape.

 

[STARMAN]

They didn't build the universe on a strong foundation and are now trying to fix it as they go. That usually leads to more problems, particularly depending on who is doing the fixing.

 

[-JKR-]

That's not the problem, honestly. I liked what I saw in Suicide Squad. The problem is that we got the surface of what was originally the story. Because people keep moaning about 'the darkness' of Batman V Superman.

I'm glad Zack Snyder and David Ayer didn't set out to copy the Marvel Studios template. Unfortunately, Warner Bros. tried to steer the movie in that direction, after the backlash.

 

[idiot09]

That's not the problem, honestly. I liked what I saw in Suicide Squad. The problem is that we got the surface of what was originally the story. Because people keep moaning about 'the darkness' of Batman V Superman.

I'm glad Zack Snyder and David Ayer didn't set out to copy the Marvel Studios template. Unfortunately, Warner Bros. tried to steer the movie in that direction, after the backlash.

Yep,agreed.Its this "course correction" bullcrap they did.

 

[AnneFan]

Who would you cast as Selina?I have no idea at all

Halle Berry.

Spoiler

Just kidding!

 

[NotNickFury]

Yep,agreed.Its this "course correction" bullcrap they did.

And hopefully that same kind of course correction doesn't seep into Wonder Woman and beyond.

 

[Rowsdower!]

They could start with hiring someone who has actually read a comic that wasn't written by Frank Miller.

Not true!

Snyder also skimmed through the last four pages of Superman #75!

 

[idiot09]

And hopefully that same kind of course correction doesn't seep into Wonder Woman and beyond.

Tell me about it.I am scared AF they will do that with WW and JL.Geoff Johns is our only hope now.

Halle Berry.

Spoiler

Just kidding!

Whew I got worried for a sec there!

 

[Coffee]

That's what I thought but I don't know anymore. These movies apparently have a built in fan base that just doesn't care. Do these movies deserve to be financially successful? Does this studio deserve to make anything off this mess they cobbled together?

The Nolan trilogy deserved every cent they earned. These? Frustrating.

I do disagree with the idea that the fan base doesn't care. I think the fan base DOES care, & most of the time the, turn out to support their franchise. Even if the quality isn't up to par. (Then comes the fun part of discussing what worked / what didn't, etc.)

I liked all 3 films for what they were, but was also very frustrated with all 3. That's not going to stop me from checking out the other films released.

Plus we have to remember, a large percentage of general audiences like / enjoy the films. BvS has remained at the top of the top dvd / blu ray disc sellers for 4 weeks in a row.

I look at it like fans of a specific sports franchise. There are bad seasons, bad coaches, etc. Yet, folks will still turn out to support.

 

[AndrewOz]

They could start with hiring someone who has actually read a comic that wasn't written by Frank Miller.

Why? From Snyder's comments about TDKR, it's clear he hasn't actually read a Frank Miller comic either

 

[seriesofdreams]

Depth, characterization and tone are all issues here let alone how the films were made. Incompetent storytelling, studio interference and bad creative decisions are also alienating to fans.

I have not been impressed nor have I really liked the past 2 installments of the DCEU. I enjoyed MOS somewhat but the third act was overlong and generic with it's smash 'em up action. That part left me extremely underwhelmed. The final scene left me with some glimmer of hope but then, uh, BvS happened. The fact that we didn't get a better MOS or even MOS2 to help tell Clark's story a bit more left us with a weak foundation that left us with the creative misfire that was BvS and the incoherent studio hack job that SS was.

Despite some glaring tropes found in the WW trailer, I feel optimistic that with that character, we'll see the WB/DCEU gain it's footing a bit. I'm hopeful for a better audience reception and the movie will turn a profit. The DCEU needs momentum at least on the critic's side of the ball as well as with the general audience. If WW achieves this, then we raise our expectations for JL a bit higher and be a little bit more optimistic instead of digging our fingernails into our chairs in nervous anticipation.

We could use a little bit more optimism and hope with these films. WW needs to be the "pivot" towards the general election to pave the way for JL.

 

[kguillou]

Here's the thing though, yes these movies have a built in fanbase but if theres nothing to latch onto, then, fans or not, the movies will tank. I think, as polarizing as these 3 DCEU films are, there is still a significant amount of fans and people who find something to latch onto and enjoy out of them hence their commendable box office.

For example. Look at Green Lantern. That movie had a MASSIVE marketing campaign and the movie TANKED. Absolute financial failure. And i think thats because that movie just had NOTHING for fans to latch on to. I feel like I hear some people who didnt like BvS say "i hated BvS...but DAMN that warehouse fight scene was the best batman sequence ever, and Wonder Woman was awesome, I'd rewatch the movie just to see those parts again." GL had nothing like that, nothing remarkable or standout where you could say "yeah GL sucked, but that 3rd act set piece with Paralax was visually impressive." There was nothing in that movie that made you want to rewatch it.

With SS, its the characters. The characters save the movie and make it enjoyable enough to warrant a rewatch.

 

[The Joker]

Here's the thing though, yes these movies have a built in fanbase but if theres nothing to latch onto, then, fans or not, the movies will tank. I think, as polarizing as these 3 DCEU films are, there is still a significant amount of fans and people who find something to latch onto and enjoy out of them hence their commendable box office.

For example. Look at Green Lantern. That movie had a MASSIVE marketing campaign and the movie TANKED. Absolute financial failure. And i think thats because that movie just had NOTHING for fans to latch on to. I feel like I hear some people who didnt like BvS say "i hated BvS...but DAMN that warehouse fight scene was the best batman sequence ever, and Wonder Woman was awesome, I'd rewatch the movie just to see those parts again." GL had nothing like that, nothing remarkable or standout where you could say "yeah GL sucked, but that 3rd act set piece with Paralax was visually impressive." There was nothing in that movie that made you want to rewatch it.

With SS, its the characters. The characters save the movie and make it enjoyable enough to warrant a rewatch.

Green Lantern is not in the same league as the likes of Batman, Superman, Joker etc when it comes to fan base and audience built in recognition. The awful Amazing Spider-Man movies made "commendable" box office, Spider-Man 3 made more than the beloved Spider-Man 2, Batman Forever made more than Batman Returns, X-Men The Last Stand made more than X-Men 2 etc etc.

Saying fans find something to latch onto so it makes money isn't a compliment to the movies overall being such let downs.