Isnt this movie mostly about Peter?

[Thegame826]

Every thread I look at is Topher this or green goblins costume that or this guy is the 4th bad guy.

But heres what I think, there are four bad guys because this movie won't be as focussed on the bad guys as the previous have been. This movie is going to be focussed on Peter and how he must deal with the symbiote. I would bet that Topher doesn't have nearly as big of a role as people are assuming. I bet Topher doesn't become venom until the very end, much like how Harry found the green goblin at the end of number 2.

Peter must fight off the sandman, harry, and the probable mysterio, and Eddie and deal with his personal issues all in a 2 hour movie? Just doesnt seem feasible to me.

For this reaosn, I think the enemies in this movie will have much less of an impact and the main focus will be Peter facing himself and his own issues with the suit and how it is changing him. I mean all of the posters show the black suit. The new poster shows the mixed red and black suit. And ofcourse the entire trailer was pretty much peter in the symbiote trying to rip it off.

 

[The Shape]

topher and the villians have big enough roles, but the story is about peter. after all, the movie is called SPIDER-MAN. it's not supposed to be about the villians. it's supposed to be about the struggles of pete.

i think this movie will be even more focused on peter/spidey, especially because of the symbiote. for instance, this new teaser poster we have is about the duality in spidey, rather than the teaser of dock ock we got for SM3.

this is definitely a good thing, although most people here wants VILLIANS, VILLIANS, VILLIANS. while the villians serve a purpose in telling his story, the character that means the most to me is spider-man, and i'm glad that, unlike the previous batman movies, the focus has been mainly on the title character.

you don't have to worry. all the villians and subplots will piece together to tell a great story.

 

[Visionary]

topher and the villians have big enough roles, but the story is about peter. after all, the movie is called SPIDER-MAN. it's not supposed to be about the villians. it's supposed to be about the struggles of pete.

i think this movie will be even more focused on peter/spidey, especially because of the symbiote. for instance, this new teaser poster we have is about the duality in spidey, rather than the teaser of dock ock we got for SM3.

this is definitely a good thing, although most people here wants VILLIANS, VILLIANS, VILLIANS. while the villians serve a purpose in telling his story, the character that means the most to me is spider-man, and i'm glad that, unlike the previous batman movies, the focus has been mainly on the title character.

you don't have to worry. all the villians and subplots will piece together to tell a great story.

You're too smart to be posting in this forum.

 

[Thegame826]

Thanks, agreed. I agree the focus should be on spiderman and I am glad that is what it seems to be.

It is weird that you mentioned the batman movies because I was thinking of the same thing. Batman went bad with having the focus on the villians. well and just being utterly unrealistic.

My favorite part of the animated series what when spiderman was venom not when he was facing eddie.

 

[Hafssól]

You're too smart to be posting in this forum.

Still he can't get Villains right.

 

[The Shape]

It is weird that you mentioned the batman movies because I was thinking of the same thing. Batman went bad with having the focus on the villians. well and just being utterly unrealistic.

it was a major flaw in the batman series that even started with the original, when the joker had more screentime than batman, which is not the way it should be. the movie was about the joker's origin, not batman's.

so far, spidey's been better than that.

 

[The Shape]

You're too smart to be posting in this forum.

thanks, man.

 

[The Shape]

Still he can't get Villains right.

ooohhhh. sorryyyyyyyyy. spelling errors! oh gosh!

try adding something to the discussion for once. then we'll talk.

 

[Fran]

topher and the villians have big enough roles, but the story is about peter. after all, the movie is called SPIDER-MAN. it's not supposed to be about the villians. it's supposed to be about the struggles of pete.

i think this movie will be even more focused on peter/spidey, especially because of the symbiote. for instance, this new teaser poster we have is about the duality in spidey, rather than the teaser of dock ock we got for SM3.

this is definitely a good thing, although most people here wants VILLIANS, VILLIANS, VILLIANS. while the villians serve a purpose in telling his story, the character that means the most to me is spider-man, and i'm glad that, unlike the previous batman movies, the focus has been mainly on the title character.

you don't have to worry. all the villians and subplots will piece together to tell a great story.

Amen brother.

 

[GoldGoblin]

topher and the villians have big enough roles, but the story is about peter. after all, the movie is called SPIDER-MAN. it's not supposed to be about the villians. it's supposed to be about the struggles of pete.

i think this movie will be even more focused on peter/spidey, especially because of the symbiote. for instance, this new teaser poster we have is about the duality in spidey, rather than the teaser of dock ock we got for SM3.

this is definitely a good thing, although most people here wants VILLIANS, VILLIANS, VILLIANS. while the villians serve a purpose in telling his story, the character that means the most to me is spider-man, and i'm glad that, unlike the previous batman movies, the focus has been mainly on the title character.

you don't have to worry. all the villians and subplots will piece together to tell a great story.

^Nice

 

[Drago]

I agree (although... I love Burton's Batman films, and those focused on the villians and not Batman. BUT I think that had Burton done the 3rd that he would have closed off Batman's arc nicely), it should be about Peter. I'm pretty sure that's what we're getting and that he'll have the symbiote suit a majority of the film. Spidey 2 focused on duality and accepting it, and I think that thematically they're going to focus on the necessity of good balance/dichotomy with that duality now.

Harry should be the best plot device to help move that story for Peter along (and so would Venom and Lizard, but I'm thinking they'll be the main baddies in a Spidey 4).. Sandman should just be a kickass villian with truly bad intentions (which neither Norman or Doc Ock had). I will admit though that if it were anybody but Raimi, I'd have a ton of doubt about how we'll see Peter developed with so many characters.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

Venom is in spidey 3 and he will fight and that's the end for Venom PERIOD!!

 

[Kid_Kaos]

Even though the movie is called Spider-Man I would prefer a more balanced story like the 1st one. The 2nd movie had IMO too much Peter and too less 'Dock Ock'. I somehow never really cared for him or saw him as a real threat, more like a lunatic in his own "Fortress of Solitude" so to speak. There wasn't enough development for his character.
With 4 villains (resp. 3 big ones) I wonder how Sam will handle it properly if he goes the same route like SM2.

Venom is in spidey 3 and he will fight and that's the end for Venom PERIOD!!

Really? Wasn't there a statement about the symbiote just vanishing somehow? That way they could bring up carnage in the next one, or later ...

 

[GoldGoblin]

Venom is in spidey 3 and he will fight and that's the end for Venom PERIOD!!

^

 

[The Shape]

Even though the movie is called Spider-Man I would prefer a more balanced story like the 1st one. The 2nd movie had IMO too much Peter and too less 'Dock Ock'. I somehow never really cared for him or saw him as a real threat, more like a lunatic in his own "Fortress of Solitude" so to speak. There wasn't enough development for his character.
With 4 villains (resp. 3 big ones) I wonder how Sam will handle it properly if he goes the same route like SM2.

there never can be too much character development when it comes to peter parker. SM2 was fine. that story featured more of a struggle for peter, and he needed to be focused on more than anyone else. that's the way it should be, anyway.

the story isn't about the villians. it's not their story. doc ock was there simply for conflict. the villians are there to keep the heroes from accomplishing their goals.

 

[Red]

No. This movie will be about a girl...again.

 

[The Joker]

there never can be too much character development when it comes to peter parker. SM2 was fine.

No, it wasn't fine IMO.

I agree with Kid_Kaos regarding there being too much Peter in SM-2. I have no problem with character development, as long as other important characters don't suffer because of it.

There was several scenes in SM-2 that were unnecessary and could have been better spent with other stuff.

There DEFINITELY was not enough of Doc Ock in SM-2.

 

[The Shape]

No. This movie will be about a girl...again.

it's the story of a girl. a story that peter is telling, through his eyes. it's his story...about a girl.

 

[The Shape]

No, it wasn't fine IMO.

I agree with Kid_Kaos regarding there being too much Peter in SM-2. I have no problem with character development, as long as other important characters don't suffer because of it.

There was several scenes in SM-2 that were unnecessary and could have been better spent with other stuff.

There DEFINITELY was not enough of Doc Ock in SM-2.

then again, you're lookin at this from a Doc Ock fan's point of view. there's probably couldn't have been enough Ock for you. but how would more scenes of Ock's development have better suited the story of peter parker?

they showed what was necessary to the story when it came to Ock.

 

[The Joker]

then again, you're lookin at this from a Doc Ock fan's point of view.

No, I'm looking at this from a Spider-Man fan's point of view. Way to judge me by my screen name

there's probably couldn't have been enough Ock for you.

but how would more scenes of Ock's development have better suited the story of peter parker?

The story is not JUST about Peter Parker. Each and every scene does not have to have a purpose for Peter.

A few more scenes would have benefitted the movie because Ock was by far the most interesting new character to the movie. And he is the main villain.

Much more fun and interesting to watch than looking at Peter spout silly dribble on MJ's answering machine, or sitting eating cake with the landlord's daughter.

they showed what was necessary to the story when it came to Ock.

In your opinion, which I disagree with to the max

 

[Red]

it's the story of a girl. a story that peter is telling, through his eyes. it's his story...about a girl.

It's a story of a guy who is defined by his love for a woman.

then again, you're lookin at this from a Doc Ock fan's point of view. there's probably couldn't have been enough Ock for you. but how would more scenes of Ock's development have better suited the story of peter parker?

they showed what was necessary to the story when it came to Ock.

There wasn't enough Ock for me either.

SM1 had the correct amount of screentime for Peter and the villian.

 

[The Shape]

No, I'm looking at this from a Spider-Man fan's point of view. Way to judge me by my screen name

sorry. but you're always around here defending Ock. it's ok. i know true love when i see it.

The story is not JUST about Peter Parker. Each and every scene does not have to have a purpose for Peter.

it may not be JUST about Peter, but each character serves a purpose in telling his story. there would be no reason to show Ock at all if Spidey didn't need to fight him. there would be no need to show scenes of MJ is Peter wasn't completely in love with her.

so yes, there are many supporting characters who have their own subplots, such as Ock, but in the end, they are there to tell Peter's story.

A few more scenes would have benefitted the movie because Ock was by far the most interesting new character to the movie. And he is the main villain.

it may have benefitted action, and yes he is the main villian, but i don't see how he could've added much more to the story. he's the main villian, not the main character.

In your opinion, which I disagree with to the max

oh, well...

 

[The Joker]

sorry. but you're always around here defending Ock. it's ok. i know true love when i see it.

Defending him from what??

True love??

Dude, just quit while you're not ahead here.

it may not be JUST about Peter, but each character serves a purpose in telling his story. there would be no reason to show Ock at all if Spidey didn't need to fight him. there would be no need to show scenes of MJ is Peter wasn't completely in love with her.

so yes, there are many supporting characters who have their own subplots, such as Ock, but in the end, they are there to tell Peter's story.

Yes, they're there for Peter's story. But like I said, each scene they're in does not have to have a huge meaningful purpose to the story.

Like Ock just sitting there lighting a cigar and multi tasking with the tentacles in his lair. That was great. No great purpose to the scene. Just something really cool to see.

it may have benefitted action, and yes he is the main villian, but i don't see how he could've added much more to the story. he's the main villian, not the main character.

So what if he's not the main character?? That doesn't mean he has to be side lined. Any story worth it's salt can have balance for the important characters.

SM-2 did not have that.

Btw a villain is not there strictly for the action.

 

[The Shape]

Defending him from what??

True love??

Dude, just quit while you're not ahead here.

i was playing around, cause you're an Ock fan. chillax.

Yes, they're there for Peter's story. But like I said, each scene they're in does not have to have a huge meaningful purpose to the story.

Like Ock just sitting there lighting a cigar and multi tasking with the tentacles in his lair. That was great. No great purpose to the scene. Just something really cool to see.

but you're wrong. while you see that scene as a fun thing to see, you may be forgetting that it was showing him rbeginning to rebuild his machine, which played a big part in the final act of the film. so while it was a short simple scene, it certainly had a purpose, aside from being cool.

you're right about every scene not having a huge meaningful purpose. but most scenes, especially with main characters, have some sort of purpose that serves the story.

So what if he's not the main character?? That doesn't mean he has to be side lined. Any story worth it's salt can have balance for the important characters.

SM-2 did not have that.

Btw a villain is not there strictly for the action.

the story didn't need to have balance between Ock and Spidey. the movie wasn't called "Spider-man and Doc Ock". though he was a big part of the story, he was not the BIGGEST part of the story. he got enough screentime to help move the story along. i think that's what matters the most.

and i know villians aren't there for action. they are there for conflict, among other things, as i said earlier.

 

[The Joker]

but you're wrong. while you see that scene as a fun thing to see, you may be forgetting that it was showing him rbeginning to rebuild his machine, which played a big part in the final ac of the film. so while it was a short simple scene, it certainly had a purpose, aside from being cool.

They showed him building his machine twice.

The second time was merely shown to lead up to him going to Harry for the tritium. They showed him rebuilding the first time because he was doing cool things.

He was multi tasking with the arms, and he lit a cigar with them too. It was simply a cool little scene to show Doc Ock doing neat things with the arms.

the story didn't need to have balance between Ock and Spidey.

Ok, you're done now

the movie wasn't called "Spider-man and Doc Ock".though he was a big part of the story, he was not the BIGGEST part of the story. he got enough screentime to help move the story along. i think that's what matters the most.

He was the best thing in the story IMO. By far the most interesting character to watch.

And never in a million years is 35 minutes out of a 2 hour movie enough screen time for a leading character. And he was the SOLO villain.

I feel for the Venom fans in SM-3. With something like 4 villains, and host of new supporting characters like Gwen and her dad, the villains will probably be a blip on the screen.