BvS It's always Darkest before The Dawn... Chris Terrio IS the Script Writer

[BatLobster]

I think that "I just think he's kinda hot" one-liner would've been eye-roll inducing no matter who wrote it. It's "cute funny" at best, and it came at an awkward time in the movie. It wasn't relieving any tension because the movie had already done that (Superman's quip about being raised in Kansas, him being more confident and Superman-like). It felt tonally off from the rest of the movie.

I would've rather just had a beat where the soldiers look up in awe as he flies away and had a sincere moment about how incredible (and scary) it is to have a being like that among us. You know, make good on the aspect of exploring mankind's reaction to not being alone in the universe a bit.

It just feels like a moment where the script aimed lower, when it could've aimed a little higher. I don't care who wrote it. It could've been improvised on set for all I know.

 

[dquizzy]

I think it really depends on the tone of the film and the world they have built to encompass the story.

"I just think he's kinda hot"
I would have cut that whole scene I didn't see the point at all plus the "I grew up in Kansas" bit...BIG BIG place I know but, I mean, you've give the government a HUGE headstart finding out who you are.

"If they're shooting at us they're bad"
Worst bit of the trailer but in the film it might work...doubt it though.

Avengers is the prime example of hokey dialogue that in other films would be laughable and seem childish BUT because it's so ****ing cool the payoff at the end of it when they're working together it's forgiven and even praised because it's quite a colourful and cartoony film in general so some of it works really well. My two examples of the top of my head...

"He's adopted"
Got loads of laughs but i hate this line...make a joke out of him killing 80 people. My opinion but i just hate the line.

"Go put on the suit"
When Cap n RDJ are arguing and he's telling him to put on the suit for a scrap and then they're attacked and he says put on the suit again because they need him - love the line. Well delivered and got laughs.

I realise I've gone off on a bit of a tangent but my point is the tone of the film dictates what kind of dialogue you have to abide by and what you can get away with.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Fixed that for ya

One of the few times I chuckled heartily at a comment, here:

 

[Marvin]

I think that "I just think he's kinda hot" one-liner would've been eye-roll inducing no matter who wrote it. It's "cute funny" at best, and it came at an awkward time in the movie. It wasn't relieving any tension because the movie had already done that (Superman's quip about being raised in Kansas, him being more confident and Superman-like). It felt tonally off from the rest of the movie.

I would've rather just had a beat where the soldiers look up in awe as he flies away and had a sincere moment about how incredible (and scary) it is to have a being like that among us. You know, make good on the aspect of exploring mankind's reaction to not being alone in the universe a bit.

It just feels like a moment where the script aimed lower, when it could've aimed a little higher. I don't care who wrote it. It could've been improvised on set for all I know.

In a film that focuses alot on 'grounded' and 'the real response' etc. I would imagine they aimed for this scene to be of the genre. It's no coincidence WB get's lambasted for being too serious then when finally embracing the opposite they are accused of something else(execution/timing). A moment of levity seems obvious knowing the apocalypse is behind you and you are afforded the opportunity to meet(even glimpse) at the 'handsome' creature that has done it. He even seems to have a sense of humor....tragic really

One could just as easily say instead of stark quipping about shawarma they could have used that opportunity to explore man's response to an alien invasions or the various nuclear arms decisions made in the last 10 minutes. Or before stark kissed the then super powered pepper pots(im3), they could have explored man's response to their own mortality.

Just seems we always land on the short end of the stick.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

I think it really depends on the tone of the film and the world they have built to encompass the story.

"I just think he's kinda hot"
I would have cut that whole scene I didn't see the point at all plus the "I grew up in Kansas" bit...BIG BIG place I know but, I mean, you've give the government a HUGE headstart finding out who you are.

"If they're shooting at us they're bad"
Worst bit of the trailer but in the film it might work...doubt it though.

Avengers is the prime example of hokey dialogue that in other films would be laughable and seem childish BUT because it's so ****ing cool the payoff at the end of it when they're working together it's forgiven and even praised because it's quite a colourful and cartoony film in general so some of it works really well. My two examples of the top of my head...

"He's adopted"
Got loads of laughs but i hate this line...make a joke out of him killing 80 people. My opinion but i just hate the line.

"Go put on the suit"
When Cap n RDJ are arguing and he's telling him to put on the suit for a scrap and then they're attacked and he says put on the suit again because they need him - love the line. Well delivered and got laughs.

I realise I've gone off on a bit of a tangent but my point is the tone of the film dictates what kind of dialogue you have to abide by and what you can get away with.

His kind of hot scene is the worst not only for that horrible line but due to the handling of the aftermath of the "alien invasion". They also don't give a time frame for how long has passed since the death of Zod and co. Also the female who spouted that line is a freaking captain who should be more disciplined than that. Yet she comes across as a giddy school girl. It would have been better if she didn't respond when the general asked what was wrong? Instead have her get her bearing together and say nothing Sir. The audience would have got the gist of why she was smiling like that without the I think his so hot.

 

[slumcat]

Is this a joke?

Do you mean Slumdog is a joke? Then yeah, it is.

 

[slumcat]

It's a movie, not a documentary.

I wish I knew that.

I was responding to the user saying they had to operate within the boundaries of reality. I was saying they did not. At all.

But one would assume basic comprehension would lead people to deduce this without it being explicitly pointed out...

 

[dquizzy]

His kind of hot scene is the worst not only for that horrible line but due to the handling of the aftermath of the "alien invasion". They also don't give a time frame for how long has passed since the death of Zod and co. Also the female who spouted that line is a freaking captain who should be more disciplined than that. Yet she comes across as a giddy school girl. It would have been better if she didn't respond when the general asked what was wrong? Instead have her get her bearing together and say nothing Sir. The audience would have got the gist of why she was smiling like that without the I think his so hot.

Agreed. Jumped too quick. I love the film by the way and CBMs tend to be the only ones I knitpick every details on but I guess we all do.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

Am I the only one that thinks people that go to an action movie about a super powered comic book hero and complain about the destruction are hypocrits?

Isn't there routinely as much if not more carnage in the Justice League cartoons and in the comics?

Someone help explain this to me.

 

[slumcat]

You must hate Gladiator, Titanic, Ali, A Beautiful Mind, JFK, Braveheart- so on, and so forth...

Your analogy is extremely erroneous as your examples do not add up.

There are two separate genres - historical fiction and historical movie. The first has fictional stories set against the back-drop of historical times or events. The second is a re-creation of historical events.

Gladiator, Titanic are the former, Ali, Beautiful Mind and Braveheart are the latter. Argo is the latter too.

I would respond to your post if it had logic but like I said your examples don't hold muster for me to comment appropriately.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Having a capable extra set of eyes to improve the Goyer script is a good development, but I don't think/know that Terrio is a comics guy like Goyer--that's why Christopher Nolan kept Goyer around.

 

[SuperAl]

Isnt goyer working on Constantine, and The Breach along with a few other projects hes producing? My guess is they just wanted fresh eyes to clean up the script while Goyer works on his other projects.

 

[BatLobster]

In a film that focuses alot on 'grounded' and 'the real response' etc. I would imagine they aimed for this scene to be of the genre. It's no coincidence WB get's lambasted for being too serious then when finally embracing the opposite they are accused of something else(execution/timing). A moment of levity seems obvious knowing the apocalypse is behind you and you are afforded the opportunity to meet(even glimpse) at the 'handsome' creature that has done it. He even seems to have a sense of humor....tragic really

One could just as easily say instead of stark quipping about shawarma they could have used that opportunity to explore man's response to an alien invasions or the various nuclear arms decisions made in the last 10 minutes. Or before stark kissed the then super powered pepper pots(im3), they could have explored man's response to their own mortality.

Just seems we always land on the short end of the stick.

That's all fair and good, but I'm not the biggest fan of Marvel's approach myself. In fact I think with Iron Man 3 and Thor TDW, it's kind of run amuck with an over-abundance of silly humor that undercuts the drama too much for my taste. So if you're criticizing Marvel there, you're preaching to the choir here.

I was just offering up a possible alternative for that scene that might've added a bit of poignancy to the film. It could've even still had the humor...

*Superman flies off...the captain pulls out her binoculars and looks to the sky*

"What're you, checking him out?"

"No sir...it's just....still a lot to get your head around."

*Nods in understanding*

But as it it just felt like a throwaway moment. It's not a big deal either way, but me not liking that line has nothing to do with Goyer-hate. As an avid fan of TDKT, I appreciate his contributions to the genre and understand that he had a big hand in making that trilogy what it was. But none of that is gonna cause me to celebrate what I consider to be a kind of dumb one-liner. Superman's one liner is good...it's commenting on something at least and feels connected to the larger narrative. The captain's is just there to get a cheap laugh out of the audience, only it's not that funny and a little cringe-worthy.

 

[dquizzy]

Am I the only one that thinks people that go to an action movie about a super powered comic book hero and complain about the destruction are hypocrits?

Isn't there routinely as much if not more carnage in the Justice League cartoons and in the comics?

Someone help explain this to me.

Just an excuse to have a go innit. People (especially fanboys - no beef Im a fanboy too I suppose) love to ***** and moan.

I think it's just people are so used to Supes being the boy scout to the point where all other adaptations of him have had him as being the 'saviour' catching people falling and holding up buildings and lying down between broken train tracks etc so it's maybe the shock of seeing him as a more fallible character who can't save everyone and simply defeat his equal whilst limiting casualties. I love that there was so much destruction and implied loss of life...makes the 'threat' of the antagonist real and limits Superman's powers without actually limiting them if that makes sense?!

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Your analogy is extremely erroneous as your examples do not add up.

There are two separate genres - historical fiction and historical movie. The first has fictional stories set against the back-drop of historical times or events. The second is a re-creation of historical events.

Gladiator, Titanic are the former, Ali, Beautiful Mind and Braveheart are the latter. Argo is the latter too.

I would respond to your post if it had logic but like I said your examples don't hold muster for me to comment appropriately.

 

[Marvin]

That's all fair and good, but I'm not the biggest fan of Marvel's approach myself. In fact I think with Iron Man 3 and Thor TDW, it's kind of run amuck with an over-abundance of silly humor that undercuts the drama too much for my taste. So if you're criticizing Marvel there, you're preaching to the choir here.

I was just offering up a possible alternative for that scene that might've added a bit of poignancy to the film. It could've even still had the humor...

*Superman flies off...the captain pulls out her binoculars and looks to the sky*

"What're you, checking him out?"

"No sir...it's just....still a lot to get your head around."

*Nods in understanding*

But as it it just felt like a throwaway moment. It's not a big deal either way, but me not liking that line has nothing to do with Goyer-hate. As an avid fan of TDKT, I appreciate his contributions to the genre and understand that he had a big hand in making that trilogy what it was. But none of that is gonna cause me to celebrate what I consider to be a kind of dumb one-liner. Superman's one liner is good...it's commenting on something at least and feels connected to the larger narrative. The captain's is just there to get a cheap laugh out of the audience, only it's not that funny and a little cringe-worthy.

I would agree with you if only for the idea that we are discussing the larger picture here, not just our personal taste. I should clarify, I am.

For example I'd rather all these films be as self contained as TDK and Spidey2. But do I think that's what's best for the market share and audience, not today. Given how much bloody fire WB comes under for not doing shared universe(only to come under fire when they do of course), my discussion has shifted over into what's working and to best capitalize.

I happened to hear an entire audience erupt when that line was delivered(given the prior dialogue exchange, it was a tension breaker imo, seems like the military isn't on his side, then...seems they are). Perhaps it could have been 'better executed' to satiate inquiring minds but this idea that it was ill timed or the moment has no purpose in the film....

It's actually one of the moments that reminded me of the donner films. Films in which the military folk say all sorts of things.

 

[BH/HHH]

Sure after Nolan basically re-wrote it.

Nolan didn't change much of Goyers script. I've read Goyers script and its pretty damn close to the finished film.

 

[MrsKent26]

In a film that focuses alot on 'grounded' and 'the real response' etc. I would imagine they aimed for this scene to be of the genre. It's no coincidence WB get's lambasted for being too serious then when finally embracing the opposite they are accused of something else(execution/timing). A moment of levity seems obvious knowing the apocalypse is behind you and you are afforded the opportunity to meet(even glimpse) at the 'handsome' creature that has done it. He even seems to have a sense of humor....tragic really

One could just as easily say instead of stark quipping about shawarma they could have used that opportunity to explore man's response to an alien invasions or the various nuclear arms decisions made in the last 10 minutes. Or before stark kissed the then super powered pepper pots(im3), they could have explored man's response to their own mortality.

Just seems we always land on the short end of the stick.

Well said. I have mixed feelings about some Goyer lines, but I still agree with this.

 

[Charlatan]

His kind of hot scene is the worst not only for that horrible line but due to the handling of the aftermath of the "alien invasion". They also don't give a time frame for how long has passed since the death of Zod and co. Also the female who spouted that line is a freaking captain who should be more disciplined than that. Yet she comes across as a giddy school girl. It would have been better if she didn't respond when the general asked what was wrong? Instead have her get her bearing together and say nothing Sir. The audience would have got the gist of why she was smiling like that without the I think his so hot.

So when Jane or her girlfriend are swooning over Thor it's different right? Or are you disappointed in those films too?

 

[BatLobster]

I would agree with you if only for the idea that we are discussing the larger picture here, not just our personal taste. I should clarify, I am.

For example I'd rather all these films be as self contained as TDK and Spidey2. But do I think that's what's best for the market share and audience, not today. Given how much bloody fire WB comes under for not doing shared universe(only to come under fire when they do of course), my discussion has shifted over into what's working and to best capitalize.

I happened to hear an entire audience erupt when that line was delivered(given the prior dialogue exchange, it was a tension breaker imo, seems like the military isn't on his side, then...seems they are). Perhaps it could have been 'better executed' to satiate inquiring minds but this idea that it was ill timed or the moment has no purpose in the film....

It's actually one of the moments that reminded me of the donner films. Films in which the military folk say all sorts of things.

Fair enough, I would certainly agree that if a lot people are demanding DC go "lighter" and more in Marvel's direction, then lines like that come with the territory. I suppose there's no accounting for taste especially when it comes to humor. I heard some groans in my theater when that line came on, but I also never thought that would be the reaction in every theater.

As I've said though, it's really not a big deal and it's a blip on the radar in terms of my overall feelings on the movie. I just wanted to protest the idea that it's only because people know that Goyer's name is attached that the line got bashed. I think that line would've been bashed just the same if it had appeared in a C/J Nolan scripted Batman film.

 

[roach]

Isnt goyer working on Constantine, and The Breach along with a few other projects hes producing? My guess is they just wanted fresh eyes to clean up the script while Goyer works on his other projects.

Some people dislike Goyer and are looking at every piece of info to twist it to him. Goyer is massively busy. Yes he has the Constantine TV series, directing the Breach, directing an episode of The Walking Dead, writing Sandman, not to mention all the minor DC properties that was announced.

 

[Marvin]

Fair enough, I would certainly agree that if a lot people are demanding DC go "lighter" and more in Marvel's direction, then lines like that come with the territory. I suppose there's no accounting for taste especially when it comes to humor. I heard some groans in my theater when that line came on, but I also never thought that would be the reaction in every theater.

As I've said though, it's really not a big deal and it's a blip on the radar in terms of my overall feelings on the movie. I just wanted to protest the idea that it's only because people know that Goyer's name is attached that the line got bashed. I think that line would've been bashed just the same if it had appeared in a C/J Nolan scripted Batman film.

I think when it comes to goyer, there definitely is something going on. Like some sort of spot light. For example Del Toro has made quite the habbit of corny lines in his genre work. In my experience they don't come under fire as has goyer's work on this film. Like with all things MOS, there is an element of hyperbole imo.

As for if it appeared in a nolan script...I'm sure the haters would have spoke their peace but the internet is a funny place. People often times are warmed over or the opposite depending on who's attached.

 

[BatLobster]

I think when it comes to goyer, there definitely is something going on. Like some sort of spot light. For example Del Toro has made quite the habbit of corny lines in his genre work. In my experience they don't come under fire as has goyer's work on this film. Like with all things MOS, there is an element of hyperbole imo.

As for if it appeared in a nolan script...I'm sure the haters would have spoke their peace but the internet is a funny place. People often times are warmed over or the opposite depending on who's attached.

Oh, I know Goyer has his haters just like Nolan does and Snyder does, etc. But there are also people with no specific who may just genuinely dislike something too. I'm sure plenty of people who loved Man of Steel overall may not have cared for that line.

 

[LordofhouseEl]

So when Jane or her girlfriend are swooning over Thor it's different right? Or are you disappointed in those films too?

Thor didn't wreck an entire city and countless lives were not lost when Jane and friend were slumbering over a shirtless Hemsworth. Also it's in relation to context and time and place.

 

[roach]

His kind of hot scene is the worst not only for that horrible line but due to the handling of the aftermath of the "alien invasion". They also don't give a time frame for how long has passed since the death of Zod and co. Also the female who spouted that line is a freaking captain who should be more disciplined than that. Yet she comes across as a giddy school girl. It would have been better if she didn't respond when the general asked what was wrong? Instead have her get her bearing together and say nothing Sir. The audience would have got the gist of why she was smiling like that without the I think his so hot.

I was in the US Navy for 11 years and could tell you this is not true