James Bond In Skyfall - - Part 11

[Marvolo]

I too loved seeing the Astin Martin. Especially Bond threatening M with it and later his reaction when [blackout]Silva blows it up.[/blackout]

However, am I the only one who found it odd it had gadgets? Yes, it's a nice throwback, but it makes no sense. Craig's all about not having gadgets and the new Q even makes a snide joke about the style of old Bond flicks. Then all of a sudden this car shows up way more tricked out than Craig's Q branch has ever even expanded to. It did not make a whole lot of sense.

Im also trying to figure out an in film reason why it would have gadgets. Im also wondering if that is the car he won in CR. If it is and we know that skyfall takes place a good while after CR then perhaps in the time inbetween QOS and Skyfall then he just installed them for the hell of it. I think the car was his pride and joy and he liked to tinker with it hence his pissed off look when you know what happened. You dont **** with a mans car especially something he has poured time and hard work into maintaining.

 

[Marvolo]

Another moment i liked was when Bond was carrying the propane tanks through the house and silva was chucking grenades in. Grenades going off and Bonds just walking through the chaos with this attitude like "This **** is getin real old, silva."

 

[Ultimatehero]

Skyfall to me Is first real Bond film of craig era.And to be more blunt.You could Ignore QOS and watch Casino Royale and Skyfall as the origin of Bond.I could almost Imagine Criag at end of Skyfall walking Into DR No as his next assignment.

Exactly. That's the same feeling I left from it to. Like the very next film could be Dr. No.

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Also as to Silvia's sexuality - he's trisexual. He's like Marlon Brando basically, he'll screw anything repeatedly on two legs as long as it has a hole in it - coming from Craig's POV on the character.

Also, although a radical notion, I actually think this Bond might be 'bisexual' (or a kinsey 1 - leaning much more towards women) since Craig has mentioned that since 'Casino Royale' (forgot the interview, just that he brought it up years ago) so that even a slight hint of it in this film that's really up to the audience's perception - I think to Craig is a sign that this Bond is. If he hadn't of stated that years back in an interview, I wouldn't have thought so - but, since he did, even if it's really underhanded I doubt he'd completely change his way of thinking.

 

[Marvolo]

Exactly. That's the same feeling I left from it to. Like the very next film could be Dr. No.

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Also as to Silvia's sexuality - he's trisexual. He's like Marlon Brando basically, he'll screw anything repeatedly on two legs as long as it has a hole in it - coming from Craig's POV on the character.

Also, although a radical notion, I actually think this Bond might be 'bisexual' (or a kinsey 1 - leaning much more towards women) since Craig has mentioned that since 'Casino Royale' (forgot the interview, just that he brought it up years ago) so that even a slight hint of it in this film that's really up to the audience's perception - I think to Craig is a sign that this Bond is. If he hadn't of stated that years back in an interview, I wouldn't have thought so - but, since he did, even if it's really underhanded I doubt he'd completely change his way of thinking.

Your not the first person ive heard say this. There is a definitely possibility that this Bond cpuld go either way especially if its for the good of Britain. Ive also heard Craig himself may be bi but that could just be hollywood gossip.

 

[Visceral]

Still has me thinking. I have some questions.

Spoiler

The burning down of skyfall lodge (Bond's origins) is obviously like in batman begins (when the mansion is burned down) is a motif for the reboot. It goes along with the theme of resurrection. But the conversation with M when they first arrive in Scotland is the most interesting.

Was M responsible for the accident Bond's parents had while climbing? Were both Bond and Silva part of the same child induction program? That would explain the sentimentality between bond and M. That would also explain Silva's jealousy and constantly want of approval from M even though he is trying to kill her.

The coloring in of Bond's back story might be inevitable, but at the same time might drag the character away from what Fleming wanted: a defacto hero, a blank slate anyone could map themselves onto.

I need to think about it more.

 

[spider-neil]

Here's hoping the follow up to SF is better than the follow up to CR (what a PoS that was).

 

[childeroland]

Was M's real name revealed in the film? Did Silva call her

Spoiler

Mala or Marla?

 

[Ultimatehero]

Your not the first person ive heard say this. There is a definitely possibility that this Bond cpuld go either way especially if its for the good of Britain. Ive also heard Craig himself may be bi but that could just be hollywood gossip.

As a bi guy, I'm pretty sure he is. Bi's have the... "benefit"... in that we don't have to come completely 'out' since we're not gay.

When asked:

James Dean "I don't want to live with one arm tied behind my back."

James Franco "You could say I'm gay... but, then you'd be wrong."

Daniel Craig "I don't believe in sexual divides."

Basically, I really doubt if 100% heterosexual guys would answer in a way that would paint them as possibly bi or gay. But, bi guys who want to say they're lgbt to some degree, but don't want to say it completely would.

 

[Changeling]

Easily one of the best movies Ive seen this year

and god did Quantum of Solace suck

 

[DACrowe]

It is amazing how much different Goldeneye is from Casino Royale.

I see them both as throwbacks. Casino Royale more to From Russia With Love and GoldenEye more to Goldfinger, but they both have classic elements and Campbell's sense of sharp pacing (save for the weird airport detour in CR) and suspenseful action.

While, obviously, the Craig movies are overall better thus far, it is interesting how similar the Brosnan/Craig series has been. Both start with a masterful rip-roaring throwback to classic Bond films directed by Martin Campbell (GE and CR), then they have a rushed-into-production sequel with a clearly unfinished script and murky plotting that sells itself on what's popular at the time of release (1990s John Woo films and mid-2000 Bourne flicks) that coast by on the goodwill of their first entries (Tomorrow Never Dies and Quantum of Solace) and then turn in a third film that is supposed to be more character driven for Bond that makes M a major player in the plot and delves into her past (The World is Not Enough and Skyfall). So while Skyfall is better than TWINE, I don't know if I want the parallels to continue, because there is no way there can be an improved iteration of DAD.

 

[Gold Samurai]

but it broke my heart when [blackout] the Aston Martin was destroyed[/blackout]

I see this as a good opportunity for Q to give Bond a new model


And when Bond is back in Scotland he can improve the foundation and the southeast wing

 

[DACrowe]

Im also trying to figure out an in film reason why it would have gadgets. Im also wondering if that is the car he won in CR. If it is and we know that skyfall takes place a good while after CR then perhaps in the time inbetween QOS and Skyfall then he just installed them for the hell of it. I think the car was his pride and joy and he liked to tinker with it hence his pissed off look when you know what happened. You dont **** with a mans car especially something he has poured time and hard work into maintaining.

I just think they should quit tiptoeing around gadgets. Nobody is asking for another invisible car, but people love Bond's gadgets. I think GoldenEye showed the perfect balance. Clearly it is Sean Connery's car and does all the same things (how else would M know of the ejector's seat?). So, just start giving him gadgets again next film.

That said, one movie in-joke I noticed is while Bond has seen a lot of his cars destroyed, this is the first time the DB5 got totally trashed. It was beat up in Goldfinger, but he drove it again in Thunderball. Brosnan drove it in GoldenEye and TND without it getting destroyed--that was saved for the BMWs--and of course it was a different Astin Martin that went down in CR's second half. This is a first. No wonder Bond looked pissed in that scene.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Anyone notice a odd resemblance to RDJ in this version of the Moonraker novel?

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Was M's real name revealed in the film? Did Silva call her

Spoiler

Mala or Marla?

he called M "mother"... it was muffled, but "mother" WAS said... he called her "mother" once and referred to her as "mother" later on in the film...

and Kinkaid, the Bond groundskeeper's hearing must have been bad, as he heard Bond call her M and he took it to be Emma...

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

I see this as a good opportunity for Q to give Bond a new model


And when Bond is back in Scotland he can improve the foundation and the southeast wing

I see what you did there...

 

[childeroland]

he called M "mother"... it was muffled, but "mother" WAS said... he called her "mother" once and referred to her as "mother" later on in the film...

and Kinkaid, the Bond groundskeeper's hearing must have been bad, as he heard Bond call her M and he took it to be Emma...

I see. Thanks.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I thought Skyfall was the best Bond film since "Casino Royale".

 

[Bruce Malone]

I thought Skyfall was the best Bond film since "Casino Royale".

Haha I agree.

I did enjoy the aspect of an older out of swing bond trying to get his footing back.

For those of you more familiar with some of the older bond films is this the first bond flick where bond actually acknowledges his aging?

From what i understand of some of the moore flicks, is that even when he was in his mid 50's he was still supposed to be acting like a man in his 30's. I don't believe brosnan did either from what i remember.

 

[vanson]

he called M "mother"... it was muffled, but "mother" WAS said... he called her "mother" once and referred to her as "mother" later on in the film...
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when that happend a girl in a row behind me said "oh **** he's her son?!!"

 

[flickchick85]

when that happend a girl in a row behind me said "oh **** he's her son?!!"

This might just be my favorite Bond movie ever. Still have to see how well it holds up to repeat viewings, but yeah, loved it. Perfect mix of the classic Bond and the modern, imo. Bardem was particularly awesome and WOW at the cinematography. I can't believe that was digital! I Roger Deakins.

 

[squeekness]

he called M "mother"... it was muffled, but "mother" WAS said... he called her "mother" once and referred to her as "mother" later on in the film...

and Kinkaid, the Bond groundskeeper's hearing must have been bad, as he heard Bond call her M and he took it to be Emma...

Mother is what I heard as well.

Haha I agree.

I did enjoy the aspect of an older out of swing bond trying to get his footing back.

For those of you more familiar with some of the older bond films is this the first bond flick where bond actually acknowledges his aging?

From what i understand of some of the moore flicks, is that even when he was in his mid 50's he was still supposed to be acting like a man in his 30's. I don't believe brosnan did either from what i remember.

I too liked the idea of an aging Bond, but heck, it didn't stop him from jumping up onto that elevator like a monkey. That was pretty impressive and for me one of the bst scenes in the film.

 

[chaseter]

This movie hearkens back to Bond past, this movie was made to also commemorate 50 years of Bond with nods to Bond past. They make fun of the silliness of the old Bond and they let the audience know that they aren't going back to it. Q asks Bond if he was expecting an exploding pen. M talks about how the Aston Martin isn't comfortable and makes a joke about ejecting her. This is in no way 3 steps back to classic Bond. There is really nothing silly about this movie. Quantum of Solace was not a good Bond movie. The director and the editor did a terrible, terrible job. The entire movie was about Bond going after the killers of the cold woman he loved. That's not a really big plot in the Bond world. The main villain is wait for it...hoarding water. This movie was very dark and sort felt like a closing to Bond's past and a closing to Bond in the past 50 years. That includes other characters that have transcended Craig. It then sets up a new chapter in Bond's life. That is what this movie was, a closing and a beginning of both the franchise as a whole and this series with Craig with glimpses into Bond's past.

Javier was creepy as **** and also very, very funny...but in a creepy way. He was freaky. The opening was freaking incredible. While I could see how some people think this movie is a bit slow, it's as much of an M story as it is a Bond story. That's obviously for a reason. There really isn't any crazy twists in this movie and that's fine. This had a really, really good story. It just wasn't an action packed as I am sure some people were expecting. Javier is introduced about halfway through the movie as it builds up to his character.

I need to go see it again to make sure how I feel about it but I would put it right up there with Casino Royale. This movie is shot beautifully. The lighting and the cinematography is wowzers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

he called M "mother"... it was muffled, but "mother" WAS said... he called her "mother" once and referred to her as "mother" later on in the film...

and Kinkaid, the Bond groundskeeper's hearing must have been bad, as he heard Bond call her M and he took it to be Emma...

I haven't been able to see the movie yet, but could Emma not be M's real name? In CR Bond knows her name.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

What really makes me love Silva is the introduction.

"Haaallo, James."

He starts off as creepy, but slightly comical. Then, as it goes on..uber creepy. Serious.
So glad Bardem took this role.

 

[Marvolo]

he called M "mother"... it was muffled, but "mother" WAS said... he called her "mother" once and referred to her as "mother" later on in the film...

and Kinkaid, the Bond groundskeeper's hearing must have been bad, as he heard Bond call her M and he took it to be Emma...

From what I gathered Kincaid was sweet on M so him calling her Emma was suppossed to be endearing. Not the result of bad hearing.

I haven't been able to see the movie yet, but could Emma not be M's real name? In CR Bond knows her name.

Could be. At the end Bond calls [BLACKOUT] Mallory M and it could be in short of Mallory so it is possible M got her name as a nickname from Emma.[/BLACKOUT] She may have also been called M because it is short for Ma'am. I 've never thought M was an actual title. Just short for a name. Something those who know her call her by.