BvS Jesse Eisenberg IS Lex Luthor - Part 10

[kedrell]

And in the last trailer, he wasn't. Heck even his line to Lois (which is a very Lex-like line btw) sounded more sinister and arrogant. So no, we're not basing this on nothing.

Yes he was. The red capes are coming? WTF?

And they're gonna need more than that one slim, quick line about small minds to turn this ship around.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yes he was. The red capes are coming? WTF?

And they're gonna need more than that one slim, quick line about small minds to turn this ship around.

Just gonna ignore his dialogue with the senator then?

I ****ing love that red capes line tbh

 

[kedrell]

So that's clear your problem is with the actor rather than the film's take on the character. Of course you're entitled to your opinion but you are wrong when you say he acts the same way in every scene, trailer 1 and the Lois scene in this one prove that.

Well then maybe let me rephrase it. He doesn't act significantly different enough to offset all the awkward, goofy stupid ****.

 

[Loki882]

BH/HH But that's what fanboys do isn't it? Ignore every bit of evidence that doesn't conform to their preconceived notions. He has several bits of dialogue that paint him in a different light, but of course people latch onto that particular one.

 

[theotherme]

Personally I loved the dichotomy between Clark/Bruce and Lex. His manic energy and wisecracking just makes him even more sinister to me. Especially since, in that scene, I feel like he knows more of what's going on than either Clark or Bruce.

If you'd asked me after my first viewing of the trailer, I would have agreed with the people who thought Lex seemed out of place and OTT. But upon re-watch, I think my initial response had more to do with the pacing and edit style than the content, and I pretty much agree with your take. He's smarmy and condescending as well as socially awkward in that scene.

I am intrigued by the 'who's zooming who?' possibilities of that meeting between Clark, Bruce, and Lex...

 

[kedrell]

BH/HH But that's what fanboys do isn't it? Ignore every bit of evidence that doesn't conform to their preconceived notions. He has several bits of dialogue that paint him in a different light, but of course people latch onto that particular one.

Even if that were the case, so what? Point is he comes off throughout the entirety of everything I've seen of him as some bozo that my 10 year old nephew could beat the crap out of and take his lunch money. Our grand villain, ladies and gentlemen! What a joke. That ain't Lex Luthor.

 

[BH/HHH]

BH/HH But that's what fanboys do isn't it? Ignore every bit of evidence that doesn't conform to their preconceived notions. He has several bits of dialogue that paint him in a different light, but of course people latch onto that particular one.

Even if that were the case, so what? Point is he comes off throughout the entirety of everything I've seen of him as some bozo that my 10 year old nephew could beat the crap out of and take his lunch money. Our grand villain, ladies and gentlemen! What a joke. That ain't Lex Luthor.

No it's not the Lex Luthor you want it's still Lex Luthor.

Lyle Talbot (Atom Man vs Superman)
Gene Hackman (Superman the Movie, Superman II, Superman IV: The Quest For Peace)
Michael Bell (Superboy S1)
Sherman Howard (Superboy seasons 2-4)
John Shea (Lois & Clark)
Michael Rosenbaum (Smallville)
Kevin Spacey (Superman Returns)

All different takes on Lex Luthor, of course to varying degrees of quality but other than Michael Bell and Lyle Talbot they were all great IMO. This of course isn't including the many animated depictions but the point still stands, they were al Lex Luthir and all different.

 

[The Guard]

Even if that were the case, so what? Point is he comes off throughout the entirety of everything I've seen of him as some bozo that my 10 year old nephew could beat the crap out of and take his lunch money. Our grand villain, ladies and gentlemen! What a joke. That ain't Lex Luthor.

What are you basing that on?

Most versions of Lex Luthor,no matter how handsome or charming, are snakelike superscience
"nerds" in some capacity or other.

 

[kedrell]

The fact that Eisenberg always seems to come off that way in any role he's in. It worked in Social Network and Zombieland but will be the ruination of Luthor, IMO.

 

[Mikelus]

Even if that were the case, so what? Point is he comes off throughout the entirety of everything I've seen of him as some bozo that my 10 year old nephew could beat the crap out of and take his lunch money. Our grand villain, ladies and gentlemen! What a joke. That ain't Lex Luthor.

Sorry, but you're being over the top, this Lex is still a psychopath and very dangerous, he's responsible for creating and releasing a killing machine into the world. Him being charismatic, flamboyant is just a facade to manipulate people, to hide who he truly is.

 

[kedrell]

^Says the guy with the behind the scenes, insider info? You're just being Pollyannish about this. And maybe this won't suck but based on what we have been shown I can't see how you are drawing that conclusion beyond just hoping against hope.

 

[BH/HHH]

You can't see how some of us are drawing out conclusions because you don't want to see them. It's clear from the trailers that he is smart, deceptive and psychotic. It's there to see in both trailers, deception in the way he acts with Clark & Bruce. Smart with the way he clearly manipulates the senator and psychotic (also smart) that he creates a monster from Krytonian DNA.

 

[Ravage]

I always thought of him as the perfect anti-BruceWayne. Calm, charismatic and calculating that impresses people with his nature and decisions.

This one looks like...Some rich dude that just watched The Dark Knight. Too many Joker vibes about craziness here. I'd rather have the sacred savior of human race theme rather than this...but I will wait for actual release before making a final judgment.

 

[dark_b]

after reading that Eisenberg's Luthor is based on Max Landis i can not stop thinking about it. i watched some videos on youtube and it's so like him that its scary.

Eisenberg was in American Ultra which Landis wrotte.

 

[kedrell]

I like Max Landis but using him as a model for Lex? No thanks.

 

[Captain Tired]

Anyone notice that Lex does the whole "Do you know the oldest lie in America, Senator" spiel in two completely different scenes across the past two trailers? I wonder if that's like his catchphrase or even a running gag.

 

[Mikelus]

^Says the guy with the behind the scenes, insider info? You're just being Pollyannish about this. And maybe this won't suck but based on what we have been shown I can't see how you are drawing that conclusion beyond just hoping against hope.

Are you serious? Lex is psychotic according to Lois, she should know what she's talking about.

Jesse on Lex:

For his newest role as Lex Luthor in next year's Batman v. Superman, he read comic books to prepare, but hadn't read them much beforehand, something he thinks was probably for the best or he might have become the “obsequious comic book fan” who was “too excited to stop smiling” while filming. Nonetheless he was happy to have a lot of material to work with.

“There is this trove of stuff about this guy. A lot of it's repetitive, like he always winds up on the roof of his building giving some faux benevolent talk about how he's going to change the city,” he explained. “It's fun to take that campy cartoony stuff and try to put it into a real person and try to reconcile the two.”

Eisenberg also insisted his Luthor would be very different from Gene Hackman's classic portrayal in the Christopher Reeve films, noting that “this movie is so different ... it has real psychological underpinnings, and this movie character feels like a real scary person.”

http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/jesse-eisenberg-on-stalking-and-stoners.html

Yep, his psychotic mind is scary.

 

[Bren]

I didn't really like what I saw of him in the latest trailer..... But for some reason, I'm fascinated to see how he pans out in the film.

 

[kedrell]

Are you serious? Lex is psychotic according to Lois, she should know what she's talking about.

Jesse on Lex:



Yep, his psychotic mind is scary.

You have a lot of faith in what they say. Meanwhile, I'm going off what I see in the trailers.

 

[kedrell]

I didn't really like what I saw of him in the latest trailer..... But for some reason, I'm fascinated to see how he pans out in the film.

Like watching an imminent vehicular crash. You can't look away.

 

[Mikelus]

You have a lot of faith in what they say. Meanwhile, I'm going off what I see in the trailers.

The same trailer that shows he's responsible for Doomsday and Lois saying he's psychotic. Lex wants people to believe he's a nice, charming guy, but he's not.

 

[BH/HHH]

You have a lot of faith in what they say. Meanwhile, I'm going off what I see in the trailers.

It is in the trailers, I pointed as much out to you but you ignored it.

Here you go

You can't see how some of us are drawing out conclusions because you don't want to see them. It's clear from the trailers that he is smart, deceptive and psychotic. It's there to see in both trailers, deception in the way he acts with Clark & Bruce. Smart with the way he clearly manipulates the senator and psychotic (also smart) that he creates a monster from Krytonian DNA.

 

[samsnee]

The same trailer that shows he's responsible for Doomsday and Lois saying he's psychotic. Lex wants people to believe he's a nice, charming guy, but he's not.

I wouldn't say he came off as charming in the trailer. More like he has some form of Aspergers.

 

[Manofplastic]

Just gonna ignore his dialogue with the senator then?

I ****ing love that red capes line tbh

i do too, the only problem i see it having is imho it was placed at a very unfitting moment in the trailer, as both the video material as the audio accompanying it was striving to reach some sort of climax moment-of-shock-and-awe.

and quite frankly, that did not happen at all. it made the actual line weak not because it is, but because it was not the right time for it.

either way, im expecting the line to be part of a discussion with the senator where lex is convicing the senator to either give him full permission to get the zodbody to go mad scientist on it, or to bring supes to a trial.
he's probably imagening a future where the govment could face losing control to a growing group of aliens allowed to be here uncontrolled, unsupervised, without visa/bounderies. 'the red capes are coming'.

well thats what i think anyway.

 

[Venomfan]

its pretty crazy that pretty much every animated appearance of Luthor has been better than any films portrayal