BvS Jesse Eisenberg IS Lex Luthor - Part 10

[Rodrigo90]

I bet the full reveal to that bald Lex pic will be him holding up his prisoner number

 

[Silliminite]

That'd be pretty sad someone losing their wig in an accident. I hope Batman's not the one to snatch it off.

 

[matt47]

I bet the full reveal to that bald Lex pic will be him holding up his prisoner number

I really really really don't want Lex to be in prison by the end of this film. It's way too soon for Lex to be known to the world as a villain.

 

[Manofplastic]

plot twist: Eisenberg turns himself into Doomsday.

 

[matt47]

plot twist: Eisenberg turns himself into Doomsday.

lol some people actually think that...

 

[rogbngp]

I think there is reason to believe that Snyder's/Terrio's/Eisenberg's Lex could be the most complex and sophisticated portrait of a superhero film villain to date. In terms of its complexity, i.e., how layered it is psychologically, I think it will probably surpass Ledger's Joker. Not to take anything away from what a brilliant version and great performance that was. I will politely leave out comparison with Marvel (I am a huge fan of both Marvel and DC cinematic universes, btw).

 

[craigdbfan]

It won't surpass Ledgers Joker and feel free to quote me once the film comes out.

 

[rogbngp]

It won't surpass Ledgers Joker and feel free to quote me once the film comes out.

You certainly may end up being right. Also, it may end up being close enough to come down to subjective personal preference. Actually, l'll modify the above: that is my only "prediction" for now on this.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

It won't surpass Ledgers Joker and feel free to quote me once the film comes out.

I don't know about "surpassing", but based on what I've seen/read, I could see it being one of the best comic book villain portrayals since then.

 

[rogbngp]

Also, above I'm not talking about the acting performance but how sophisticated and layered the character is.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Also, above I'm not talking about the acting performance but how sophisticated and layered the character is.

I see. The two go hand in hand, though.

 

[Lencho01]

Nice that the Wired interview was done by Ron Troupe.

 

[Manofplastic]

It won't surpass Ledgers Joker and feel free to quote me once the film comes out.

what does jesse eisenberg's performance have to do with heath ledger's joker?

2 different chars, from 2 different story backgrounds.

 

[rogbngp]

what does jesse eisenberg's performance have to do with heath ledger's joker?

2 different chars, from 2 different story backgrounds.

If you look directly above he was responding to my post:

I think there is reason to believe that Snyder's/Terrio's/Eisenberg's Lex could be the most complex and sophisticated portrait of a superhero film villain to date. In terms of its complexity, i.e., how layered it is psychologically, I think it will probably surpass Ledger's Joker. Not to take anything away from what a brilliant version and great performance that was. I will politely leave out comparison with Marvel (I am a huge fan of both Marvel and DC cinematic universes, btw).

 

[PacificBoy]

I thought the interview was a fun read, if a little heightened and on the nose. Hope the essence of it is translated to Lex's portrayal in the movie.

 

[matt47]

I thought the interview was a fun read, if a little heightened and on the nose. Hope the essence of it is translated to Lex's portrayal in the movie.

This is my only concern with Terrio's script. Jesse has said that Terrio loves word play, I do too, but I just hope the movie isn't full of them like that last trailer was.

 

[PacificBoy]

This is my only concern with Terrio's script. Jesse has said that Terrio loves word play, I do too, but I just hope the movie isn't full of them like that last trailer was.

I feel a lot of it is down to the editing of the trailer, as it chops up the context of what Lex is saying. Admittedly, I've some reservations as well, that his portrayal would be too clever. I think a restrained dose of Jesse's idiosyncratic Lex can be a great counterpoint and an organic source of levity to the more serious ideological and physical clash between Supes and Bats.

 

[matt47]

I feel a lot of it is down to the editing of the trailer, as it chops up the context of what Lex is saying. Admittedly, I've some reservations as well, that his portrayal would be too clever. I think a restrained dose of Jesse's idiosyncratic Lex can be a great counterpoint and an organic source of levity to the more serious ideological and physical clash between Supes and Bats.

Not just Lex, the "cats from trees" & "dressed like clowns" as well. It's not bad per se but, I just don't want majority of the dialogue to be so on the nose/wink at the camera

It's like in TASM2 when Harry says, "Does whatever a spider can", the delivery was so serious but the line was such a cheesy wink to the fans.

 

[PacificBoy]

Not only what Lex says though. The "cats from trees" "dressed like clowns" lines are also examples of what I'm talking about. It's not bad per se but, I just don't want majority of the lines the characters say to be so on the nose, wink at the camera sort of stuff.

It's like in TASM2 when Harry says, "Does whatever a spider can", the delivery was so serious but the line was such a cheesy wink to the fans.

Ah yeah, agree. It's a bit heightened. Have to see how the dialogue plays out in the larger context of the story. Like whether Clark and Bruce (and Lex too) already know of the other's identity by then. If this scene comes after a brutal, bruising encounter between Supes and Bats it could be gold, a source of solid levity.

 

[matt47]

Ah yeah, agree. It's a bit heightened. Have to see how the dialogue plays out in the larger context of the story. Like whether Clark and Bruce (and Lex too) already know of the other's identity by then. If this scene comes after a brutal, bruising encounter between Supes and Bats it could be gold, a source of solid levity.

Agreed.

 

[The Shield]

It won't surpass Ledgers Joker and feel free to quote me once the film comes out.

Ok. This is really starting to bother me. Heath joker was GREAT. But Damn, was it THAT amazing? What I'm saying is, would people hold it in such high reverence if he hadn't passed away before the movie came out? If he was still alive today, would it be that insurmountable portrayal of a cbm villain?

 

[Rodrigo90]

His performance was nothing short of amazing.
And it deserves to be held in such high regards.

But, because of Heath's death, and TDK being one of the most groundbreaking experiences in the last ten years, it was always going be a challenge to knock him off that pedestal, especially with those two factors gluing firmly on there.

Saying that, however, Heath's Joker was a truly unique interpretation and it'll never be topped, because you'll never see another one quite like it again.

There's no challenge for Jesse like there is for Jared Leto, because it's up to him and Ayer to put their Joker up there with Heath's.

Jesse's only challenge is to breath that same, entertaining life into the performance as Heath did with his respective role. Will that make Jesse as beloved as Heath - Lex as beloved as the Joker? Well, that question will be answered in 3 months time.

 

[rogbngp]

Ok. This is really starting to bother me. Heath joker was GREAT. But Damn, was it THAT amazing? What I'm saying is, would people hold it in such high reverence if he hadn't passed away before the movie came out? If he was still alive today, would it be that insurmountable portrayal of a cbm villain?

By the time I finally got around to seeing TDK it had been so off-the-scale hyped to me that there was almost no way it could live up to all that (for me!). Ledger's Joker was unrecognizable as Heath Ledger, and it was a brilliantly twisted, creepy vision of the character. But I wasn't really all that blown away. I also didn't really get engaged with the story itself too much. I clearly need to watch it again, and actually plan to do that over the holidays.

Conversely, at the same time I also watched TDKR which was/is ruthlessly bashed by my friends as horrible--and I actually loved Tom Hardy's Bane! (I don't know Bane from the comics, so no baggage for me to deal with there.) Perhaps because I had such low expectations going in, the film was a wonderful surprise for me. I came away feeling that Hardy's Bane was one of the most creative and interesting CBM villains I have ever seen. He is number two on my list of favorite CBM villains.

I enjoyed Hiddleston's Loki the most--he's number one for me. Ledger's Joker comes in at number three. But that said, I'm going to watch TDK again with a more even perspective on it now, hopefully.

 

[Silly Cat]

Ok. This is really starting to bother me. Heath joker was GREAT. But Damn, was it THAT amazing? What I'm saying is, would people hold it in such high reverence if he hadn't passed away before the movie came out? If he was still alive today, would it be that insurmountable portrayal of a cbm villain?

I think Heath's performance as the Joker and the way he completely transformed himself is amazing, and he deserves all the praise he get's for that performance. BUT I do think...and this is just my opinion...that the film TDK itself, is a tad overrated.

It's a case where I feel Heath was better then the actual movie he was in.

Over the years I've slowly come to love Batman Begin more as a movie, and you can call my crazy all you want but I actually think it's the stronger Batman film. I tend to watch TDK more for Heath's amazing performance then for anything else in the movie itself...if it weren't for Heath I don't think that film would be put on a pedestal like it is these days.

Just my opinion of course, so don't shoot me.

Jesse doesn't need to 'surpass Ledger', he just needs to be the best Lex that he can be.

 

[Bren]

Just seeing Lex in the 2nd trailer, I didn't like what I saw. Now pairing that with what we're seeing from his Ron Troupe interview (and Affleck's comments about Eisenberg's Lex)...... well, yeah, now I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing him!