BvS Jesse Eisenberg IS Lex Luthor - - Part 11

[idiot09]

While I prefer, say, the Lex Luthor from the DCAU, BvS has given me my favorite interpretation of the character on film. Plus I thought Jesse Eisenberg was superb in the role and turned in a very memorable performance. I'm looking forward to more movies with Lex and I hope to see him develop into a more sinister, intimidating villain.

Completely agreed.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Eisenberg performance only memorable because it so bad. It leave such bad impression that it hard to forget lol.

 

[Paradox1]

You can be, too, if you pick up a comic book or two. The facts are there in print. So could Snyder if he actually read the material, instead of just copying the pretty pictures. But he's more of a style over substance director.

Your right I've never read a comic in my life, and so has Zack Snyder. You've got it all figured man, good job.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Zack Snyder never read comics. He not even get facts right when he talk about Dark Knight Returns lol.

 

[AnneFan]

Snyder get essence of Lex all wrong. This supposed to be serious take on Lex Luthor but he act like he jump out of Joel Schumacher Batman film lol.

He's reminiscent of young Lex in Birthright, in terms of aesthetic and mannerisms. Snyder has sourced Birthright in the past. Coupled with the fact this is the first appearance of Lex in the DCU, I'd say they're on the right track for character growth.

 

[The Joker]

Lex Luthor was so out of character, even in the trailers, that a lot of people were assuming it was Alex Luthor Eisenberg was playing.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Lex Luthor will evolve as the DCEU expands further as has been told by Geoff Johns himself. He will become more like the comic book accurate Lex that we know.

I love the fact Snyder used different takes on both Batman and Lex (which I loved) and wil give us the classic interpretation of them in subsequent movies.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Your right I've never read a comic in my life, and so has Zack Snyder. You've got it all figured man, good job.

He has, but he probably hasn't read any good ones.

Heavy Metal magazine, so she got me a subscription. You could call it €high-brow€ comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into €normal€ comic books, but I was all like, €No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn€™t really doing it for me.€ I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, €This is more my scene

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It's ok to like TDKR as an elseworlds tale (I've grown disinterested in nearly anything Frank Miller, except his DD run which still wasn't perfect), but if it's your Holy Bible, Batman(!), then you've got serious problems. Alan Moore, Alan Grant, Scott Snyder, Dini, hell even Geoff "Cyborg is an icon" Johns has done better than Frank.

 

[idiot09]

He said that was his teenage self.People grow up.Snyder has said in the past that he has a lot of Superman comics and that he didnt want his Superman to be like TDKR Superman.

 

[Xrated48]

Eisenberg performance only memorable because it so bad. It leave such bad impression that it hard to forget lol.

Exactly

 

[A Necessary Evil]

He said that was his teenage self.People grow up.Snyder has said in the past that he has a lot of Superman comics and that he didnt want his Superman to be like TDKR Superman.

He has gone on record saying Superman is too kiddy and needed to grow up. So no, he doesn't care for the Man of Steel

 

[idiot09]

No,again he did not say that.What he did say was that Superman has always lived in a stylized comic book world but he wanted to put that Superman into the real world.He said that way he can justify his growth of character.He has stated multiple times Superman is his favourite comic book character and considers him to be "at the top of the pyramid".That superman 75year animated short that everyone loves?It was his idea to make it and he directed it.

 

[titansupes]

Surely nobody actually believes Snyder when he says Supes is his favourite. I just can't believe that. I mean, as if the movies themselves weren't enough evidence against... his defenses of them have done him no favours. Remember when he said something along the lines of "I can't believe they're angry at me because I tried to grow their character up".

****ing please, Zack.

 

[sf2]

he has made his own mark. how incredible is that.

 

[idiot09]

Surely nobody actually believes Snyder when he says Supes is his favourite. I just can't believe that. I mean, as if the movies themselves weren't enough evidence against... his defenses of them have done him no favours. Remember when he said something along the lines of "I can't believe they're angry at me because I tried to grow their character up".

****ing please, Zack.

It's funny.When he says something you don't like you take that as evidence but if it goes against your agenda you dismiss it.How convenient is that,to cherry-pick what you believe and take quotes out of context.

 

[The Endless]

I don't care about quotes from interviews. I care about what is actually in the film.

The ultimate cut had Superman/Clark more involved. He seemed less indifferent. Which was an improvement.

But... he still says the line "no one stays good on this world" which is THE most un-Superman man thing to say... ever. It's just completely cynical and defeatist. Who attributes cynicism and a defeatist attitude to Superman?

So before I felt Snyder actively dislikes Superman, now I just feel he cannot understand the CORE components of his personality.

 

[titansupes]

It's funny.When he says something you don't like you take that as evidence but if it goes against your agenda you dismiss it.How convenient is that,to cherry-pick what you believe and take quotes out of context.

No, that's called interpreting and weighing things up. Just saying "He's my favourite" sounds great, and I was all onboard for a long time... But then he followed it all up by showing he doesn't have a damn clue over the course of two movies (well, one and a half. There's good in MoS), followed by "I just tried to grow him up".

My only "agenda" is wanting a good representation of these characters. So far, Snyder's not the guy to deliver that.

 

[titansupes]

I don't care about quotes from interviews. I care about what is actually in the film.

The ultimate cut had Superman/Clark more involved. He seemed less indifferent. Which was an improvement.

But... he still says the line "no one stays good on this world" which is THE most un-Superman man thing to say... ever. It's just completely cynical and defeatist. Who attributes cynicism and a defeatist attitude to Superman?

So before I felt Snyder actively dislikes Superman, now I just feel he cannot understand the CORE components of his personality.

Yup. I was the opposite on the last point, though-- After MoS I thought he liked him, but didn't really understand him... After BvS I really do question whether he likes him very much at all.

 

[The Joker]

So before I felt Snyder actively dislikes Superman, now I just feel he cannot understand the CORE components of his personality.

A problem he suffers from handling most of these characters.

 

[Micromind]

Snyder put Superman in situations where there are no easy choices to make, which could be the reason why Superman is not acting exectly like Superman most people know.

But, if you accept that the core part of Superman character is that he thinks of himself as "human", then viewers must also accept that he thinks like other humans, he has feelings like other humans, and that means he can get depressed at times, depending on the situation, I think this shows his "human" side.

The fact that he does not succumb to negativity and does the right thing shows his "Super" side, I think Snyder portrayed both sides in this movie.

 

[idiot09]

Snyder put Superman in situations where there are no easy choices to make, which could be the reason why Superman is not acting exectly like Superman most people know.

But, if you accept that the core part of Superman character is that he thinks of himself as "human", then viewers must also accept that he thinks like other humans, he has feelings like other humans, and that means he can get depressed at times, depending on the situation, I think this shows his "human" side.

The fact that he does not succumb to negativity and does the right thing shows his "Super" side, I think Snyder portrayed both sides in this movie.

Exactly.Saying just because he said something in the movie,means he is not Superman is faulty because you need to see the context in which he said what he said.He has given us a Superman who is human,who has doubts like a human,who loves like a human,who has moments of weakness like a human,who takes the ferry like a human.and many don't want that.They want a perfect Superman.and that's fine I guess.But don't knock this Superman because he is just a human who wants to do the right things.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Exactly.Saying just because he said something in the movie,means he is not Superman is faulty because you need to see the context in which he said what he said.He has given us a Superman who is human,who has doubts like a human,who loves like a human,who has moments of weakness like a human,who takes the ferry like a human.and many don't want that.They want a perfect Superman.and that's fine I guess.But don't knock this Superman because he is just a human who wants to do the right things.

Snyder has done a very good job of putting Superman out there in the real world,facing unjust criticism of his actions,being a villain the public eye,being compelled by Lex to do things he never would have done and knowing that batman has something bad on his mind,so it's all going downhill for him and putting down Batman will only make it worse for him. He doesn't want to kill Batman but he has to,he is under duress. In the context saying 'No one stays good in this world' makes sense because whatever he does the public perception won't change,it will only become worse.

I love that Superman is being manipulated and he can't do anything about that,even he is after all vulnerable like us humans but he still saves the day and makes the ultimate sacrifice.

It just comes down to personal preferences but he is still Superman at the end of the day.

 

[The Joker]

People say the exact same the thing about the bad characterization of Batman in this movie. He's never faced such despair and low points in the comics. Just not true. Batman has had everything happen to him in the comics that happened to Batfleck, but he didn't turn into a murderous illogical idiot over it. Same as Superman, he has had to make difficult choices in the comics, too, but he still came across as Superman, and not some mopey, despairing, bore.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I honestly think if Batman was active for 20 plus years, he would be pretty messed up(as if he wasn't already) and have some serious moments/times of crises he would go through not too different from what we saw in the movie depending on the circumstances. It also makes sense to me to see Superman react the way he does in the two films considering he was raised human and the world's reaction to him is on such a massive scale. But that's just my very humble opinion

 

[Doctor Octopus]

But... he still says the line "no one stays good on this world" which is THE most un-Superman man thing to say... ever. It's just completely cynical and defeatist. Who attributes cynicism and a defeatist attitude to Superman?

So before I felt Snyder actively dislikes Superman, now I just feel he cannot understand the CORE components of his personality.

Agreed. Snyder not understand any of characters. He ruin Superman, Batman and Lex Luthor. Only Lois is done ok.