JLA vs. The X-men

[shapeshifter]

Is this a joke? Who voted in this poll, the JLA?

First of all Batman becomes a non-factor because he's human and he sucks. (Sick Kitty Pryde's dragon on him).

Secondly, Professor X gets into Superman's mind and he's on the X-Men's team for the rest of the fight. Then, Iceman freezes the Flash instantly.

So it becomes Superman and the X-Men vs Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawk-Man, and Green Arrow.

Wolverine takes an arrow to the eye and laughs about it, before decapitating Green Arrow. Angel DESTORYS Hawkman without breaking a sweat.

So now it's . .

Superman and the X-men vs Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Hmm . . Even the most hardcore DC fan HAS to agree, Superman and the X-men take this one . . should I even go on?

Fine. Jean Grey becomes Dark Phoenix just for the hell of it and creates a sun in Wonder Woman's brain (completely unnecessary but fun). Then Proffesor X has Superman EAT the Martain Manhunter just to add insult to injury.

X-Men win. The End.







. . . j/k

with that one statement you proved that you are clueless. Do a little research and you will see that despite being just "human" Batman has managed to stand toe to toe with Darkseid and live to tell the tale. Also he has fought and survived superman as well as tons of his own meta human enemy's. I think he has what it takes to survive the x-crew.
I don't feel like wasting time debunking more of your arguments, plus they are just not worth it.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That sounds remarkably stupid.

Well....it is .

I didn't even understand what I wrote to be honest.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Now all of a sudden Cyclops' eyes are a "dimensional portal" or some bull**** that stores energy?

It's been that way ever since the first marvel handbook way back in the early 1980s was published.

It doesn't store energy, it's just a portal to a potentially limitless dimension of non einstienium energy.

If you know any other place your gonna get a colored blast of kinetic force (with no heat signature), I'd like to hear it.

 

[Badfish40oz]

I don't feel like wasting time debunking more of your arguments, plus they are just not worth it.

Whatever. Batman can beat Darkseid now? He's tough yet he fell do a bigger wuss than him: Bane. Are you saying Bane > Darkseid.

Batman would be out of this so fast it's not even funny. Forget Kitty Pryde's dragon, let Jubilee take care of Batman . .




j/k

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I like the implication that Jubilee is lower on the X-Men chain than Lockheed.

 

[Nokio]

Oh, I misunderstood his post. Even so, biology or not, the Pheonix is still the "immortal, unchanging, immutable force of all life". It cannot be destroyed and ironically it was the Phoenix Force that saved Galan from eternal damnation and allowed him passage into the next Universe following the Big Bang.

So the Phoenix allowed, oh I'm sorry Jean Grey allowed Galactus/Galen passage into the new universe? Now that is laughable. I'm curious as to why Jean has never known any of this if she is the Phoenix or always was, LOL. Anyway i thought it was Enternity who made galen a deal to become galactus and enter the universe? I never heard that it was Jean Grey who did so, i may be wrong now becuase marvel retcon stuff everytime you turn around, but i just never heard that.



Galactus's Orgin: (well the one I always knew)

Galactus, sometimes called the Devourer of Worlds or Eater of Planets, is a fictional comic book character, a cosmic entity within Marvel Comics' universe. Created by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee, he first appeared in Fantastic Four #48, the beginning of a story arc sometimes regarded as the finest Lee/Kirby collaboration.

Rebirth
Originally named Galan (or Galen, the spelling differs on occasion), he hails from the planet Taa, and is the sole survivor of the Big Crunch of the previous universe in which Taa was located.

A space explorer investigating the impending end of his universe, his ship approached the focal point of the Big Crunch and was promptly destroyed. Galen, the only survivor, was transformed into a cosmic entity even as the universe collapsed, after striking a deal with Eternity, who was about to be reborn in the next universe.

After the Big Bang of the current universe, to complete his transformation, Galactus was encased in a cosmic egg brimming with enormous energies. After billions of years, he emerged as an entity of vast cosmic power who was also necessary for the existence of the newly formed universe.

Galactus is considered one of the five essential entities within the Marvel Universe alongside Eternity, the personification of the universe, Death, Infinity and Oblivion.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's a retcon. I can't remember where it came from, but it has to do with the Phoenix's new status as the primal, universal force for reincarnation or some junk.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So the Phoenix allowed, oh I'm sorry Jean Grey allowed Galactus/Galen passage into the new universe? Now that is laughable. I'm curious as to why Jean has never known any of this if she is the Phoenix or always was, LOL. Anyway i thought it was Enternity who made galen a deal to be come galactus and enter the universe? I never heard that it was Jean Grey who did so, i may be wrong, but i just never heard that.

As theCorpulent1 said, it's all a retcon. Some of it fairly recently, especially that stuff with the White Hot Room and "primal force of creation". That's all Morrison and beyond.

 

[CBG]

with that one statement you proved that you are clueless. Do a little research and you will see that despite being just "human" Batman has managed to stand toe to toe with Darkseid and live to tell the tale.

I must point out, Batman took on Darkseid with some Apokolipian weapons and a Mother Box -- none that were standard arsenal. He managed to live because he threatened to set off the Hellspores on Apokolips after hacking them with the Mother Box.

 

[fifthfiend]

And even with all that the story was still a crock of ****, cause any halfway well-written Darkseid would have done one flash of his Omega Beams and been like yeah those bombs you thought you planted all over my planet? Those are all sitting in the middle of Gotham city. Kthxbai.

 

[Nokio]

It happened. Magneto is almost as powerful as Silver Surfer in his prime. Even Galactus is subject to the electromagnetic spectrum. He's created wormholes in space, can bend light and even manipulate radiation like microwaves...he's damn powerful

Magneto is almost as powerful as the SS, which by itself still confirms that SS can defeat magneto, who in turned was created by galactus and still my question as to why Magneto is now so powerful that he can hold off Galactus? Magneto can not control matter or the Power Cosmic unless that has been now added to his list of abilities thanks to a simple mutant gene. Now why a human would gain so much power without the benefit of a Cosmic Gauntlet or cosmic Cube and who's power can protect him from a being older then the Universe itself who has god like power is beyond me.. but yet he can be his herald.

 

[Nokio]

The Phoenix destroys. It's not concerned with petty concerns of justice at all. The Phoenix, in fact, is neither good nor evil by any human standards, it's kind of like Galactus in that regard.

Well why would it even bother helping the Xmen fight the JLA?? Kind of pointless. My whole thing is why is Jean never shown to weild all this d@mn power when she is alive and well with the Xmen? She is the Phoenix and the power should be with her at all times, unless she isn't concerned with all the pettiness but just hung around and used a tiny tiny fraction of her power here and there.

 

[shapeshifter]

I must point out, Batman took on Darkseid with some Apokolipian weapons and a Mother Box -- none that were standard arsenal. He managed to live because he threatened to set off the Hellspores on Apokolips after hacking them with the Mother Box.

true but the fact still remains that he stood toe to toe and lived. I don't care what you say.

Whatever. Batman can beat Darkseid now? He's tough yet he fell do a bigger wuss than him: Bane. Are you saying Bane > Darkseid.

Batman would be out of this so fast it's not even funny. Forget Kitty Pryde's dragon, let Jubilee take care of Batman . .


j/k

if ignorance is bliss. you must be on cloud 9

 

[Infinity9999x]

Agreed!! The entire xmen team have a hard time taking down Juggs, so supes would be no different.

That's false logic. Juggs at full power, literally cannot be stopped or hurt by physical means, so he'd be a pretty tough cookie for anyone to take down.

 

[shapeshifter]

That's false logic. Juggs at full power, literally cannot be stopped or hurt by physical means, so he'd be a pretty tough cookie for anyone to take down.

except when full power jugs got hammered by hulk.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Well why would it even bother helping the Xmen fight the JLA?? Kind of pointless. My whole thing is why is Jean never shown to weild all this d@mn power when she is alive and well with the Xmen?

Sure she has been shown to weild that power.

She ate an entire star system and destroyed several worlds in the process (inhabited worlds).

She survived a trip into he sun and used the atoms around her to mentally construct a star craft to return to Earth (with Wolverine)

She fought back the entire Shi'ar imperial Guard.

She is the Phoenix and the power should be with her at all times, unless she isn't concerned with all the pettiness but just hung around and used a tiny tiny fraction of her power here and there.

The only one who has ever shown sway over Phoenix, or Jean is Scott. Unless he tells her to stop, she won't stop.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Magneto is almost as powerful as the SS, which by itself still confirms that SS can defeat magneto, who in turned was created by galactus

Silver Surfer is potentially more powerful than Galactus I hope you realize. He was the one who turned the tide on Earth when Galactus tried to destroy it.

and still my question as to why Magneto is now so powerful that he can hold off Galactus?

Because he is an Omega Level mutant who controls the strongest fundamental force in the Universe.

Magneto can not control matter or the Power Cosmic unless that has been now added to his list of abilities thanks to a simple mutant gene.

He can control the electromagnetic spectrum...go look it up...it's a pretty far reaching force is physics.

 

[CBG]

Because he is an Omega Level mutant who controls the strongest fundamental force in the Universe.

Curious, which issue did it state that Magneto was an Omega-level mutant? Wasn't he defined as an Omega-level threat?

 

[CaptainClown]

I think they went a little crazy with Magneto and his powers (shrug)

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Curious, which issue did it state that Magneto was an Omega-level mutant? Wasn't he defined as an Omega-level threat?

Yeah I don't remember where though. It conflicts though. It used to be that Omega meant unlimited potential. However in X-Men:the Twelve it said that the 12 (which were all Alphas) had unlimited potential. Some people claim that Omega is the most powerful a mutant can be. However in Deadly Genesis Rachel describes Vulcan as being beyond Omega Level...meaning you can be even more powerful than Omega. Under certain definitions Magneto, Storm, Iceman and most of the fundamentals are classified as Omega. Under others some revert to Alphas. It's again, something Marvel hasn't fully cleared up.

In X-Men forever they say Omegas have unlimited potential for power and could conceivably destroy everything. For example Jean was described as a "threat to the fabric of reality".

However since then, in the 198, Elixir was named Omega and he just has healing abilities. In addition they stated anyone with abilities to control things at molecular level classified as Omega. And X-Men:Civil War seemed to hint at Cyclops being a possible Omega.

 

[Infinity9999x]

except when full power jugs got hammered by hulk.

I wouldn't call sidestepping him getting hammered.

Hulk outsmarted Juggs by using his own momentum against him, but he obviously didn't hurt him. Had the Hulk not fled from the X-mansion Juggernaut would have been able to re-enter the fight.

 

[CBG]

true but the fact still remains that he stood toe to toe and lived. I don't care what you say.

Save that I'm trying to clarify.

Yes, the fact he did survive is impressive for a human, but it wasn't as if he confronted Darkseid with his standard equipment.

 

[CBG]

Yeah I don't remember where though. It conflicts though. It used to be that Omega meant unlimited potential. However in X-Men:the Twelve it said that the 12 (which were all Alphas) had unlimited potential. Some people claim that Omega is the most powerful a mutant can be.

The definition of "Omega-level mutant" is quite messy, really.

However in Deadly Genesis Rachel describes Vulcan as being beyond Omega Level...meaning you can be even more powerful than Omega.

Ed Brubaker realized his mistake, when confronted about it in an interview though. Recently, Vulcan's now Omega-level, since an issue of Uncanny X-Men in the Shi'ar storyline.

Under certain definitions Magneto, Storm, Iceman and most of the fundamentals are classified as Omega. Under others some revert to Alphas. It's again, something Marvel hasn't fully cleared up.

Indeed.

In X-Men forever they say Omegas have unlimited potential for power and could conceivably destroy everything. For example Jean was described as a "threat to the fabric of reality".

Wouldn't that be attributed to her connection with the Phoenix Force? Other mutants like Mad Jim Jaspers and Bendis' Scarlet Witch could fulfill that criteria better.

However since then, in the 198, Elixir was named Omega and he just has healing abilities. In addition they stated anyone with abilities to control things at molecular level classified as Omega. And X-Men:Civil War seemed to hint at Cyclops being a possible Omega.

I thought Cyclops was classified an Alpha, though. I assume it's because of his no-mental-blocks-optic blast?

With the controversial definition of the Omega-level mutant bit, it's sort of agreed upon that unless said mutant is confirmed outright on-panel, he/she/it is otherwise not an Omega-level mutant.

 

[fifthfiend]

You know at this point they need to just have all the mutants fly off into the Astral Plane like Nate Gray did back when he got too goddamn annoying to continue living on this earth. Maybe just leave us like, Cyclops and Cable and Squirrel-Girl and a couple of the other ones who haven't become totally annoying as ****.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wouldn't that be attributed to her connection with the Phoenix Force? Other mutants like Mad Jim Jaspers and Bendis' Scarlet Witch could fulfill that criteria better.

Magneto, Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch are all argueably omegas

Also there is debate as to who is the most powerful Omega. Some say Phoenix is, and that she is the ultimate evolution of all mutant kind...all mutants will one day be Phoenixes. Some argue that Mister M and Vulcan are more powerful.