SpiderMan;12666420 said:
What makes those rich businessmen think they have the right to grill! The nerve...
They're white-collar business *******s. They go out to fine restaurants that charge more for a steak than most of us make in a day. Seeing them working a grill just chills the cockles of my heart.
Spider-Man said:
Please justify these 2 statements.
The first statement, that a man's ancestors don't have a lot to say about how he lives his life, is justified by the fact that his ancestors are dead. It was my way of showing how ridiculous it is that people still hold the origins of Australia as a penal colony, against modern-day Australia. My next statement referred to the difference between the reparations conversation in Australia and the US. In the US, one is called a "reverse racist" (as if such a thing could even exist) for mentioning reparations to descendants of slaves, and the American Indians have been shoveled off into desolate, wasted spaces known as "reservations." In Australia, on the other hand, aborigines get specialized social welfare services and payments, with an ongoing effort to make these services more applicable to the culture (although the current ultraconservative Howard administration is sabotaging some of this), and for several decades now, aborigines have been in control of their own territories under the Native Title law.
Spider-Man said:
Yes, they pissed and moaned and boarded luxury ships and came to the new land
You seem to be displaying sarcasm here, but I assure you, the Founding Fathers didn't just happen to be rich. They came from wealthy families, and they stayed wealthy over here as well.
Spider-Man said:
giving up their own protection for the rich lifestyle that awaited them here.
Quite so. We're not talking about the working stiffs here. The working stiffs were either Tories who knew what was good for them, or uneducated serfs that were lied to and manipulated into fighting a war that could have no possible benefit to them. The people who founded this country and fomented revolution were rich landowners, and they did leave England for the life of kings here. As soon as that impunity was threatened--FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY--they hissed and arched their back.
Spider-Man said:
They never had to fight (and WIN) against said government they wouldn't pay their taxes to
You're right. The French did. Well, the colonists fought, but they didn't win. George Washington is more famous for running away than for winning battles. The French won the Revolution. They were just nice enough not to take America while they were at it.
Spider-Man said:
(guess that whole "without representation" part slipped your little mind)
Oh, and we're taxed WITH representation now? Or here's another thing: illegal immigrants are currently taxed without representation. Do you want they should fight an armed revolution? If they did, they'd probably whip your skinny ass.
Spider-Man said:
and took the "EASY" way out by coming to America where they already had everything they wanted just waiting for them.
You think you're joking, but you really aren't. Rich people came here so they could have even more power and wealth without the structure and hierarchy of Europe.
Spider-Man said:
You are certainly a descendent of these people
No, my Mennonite answers came over in the late 1800s, and my Jewish ancestors in the early 1900s. In both cases, it was because people were killing them in their homelands. Not really the same thing as rich bastards coming over to make more money hand over fist, and working guys getting manipulated over with indentured servitude.
Spider-Man said:
cuz you're pissing and moaning louder than anyone else
Ah yes, it is so unpatriotic to question things. Just because the right to do so is fundamental to the concept of democracy, that doesn't mean anyone should ever EXERCISE that right!
Spider-Man said:
What is it that I should be grateful for again? And what's wrong with cynicism?