JLA vs. The X-men

[Nokio]

I've always loved Molecule Man. He's just some poor pathetic schmuck who became the most powerful human being on Earth and couldn't cope with it. Great character.

Well he was never the most powerful with Jean Grey around, LOL.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Well how in the world did that Magneto imposter even kill her with that planetary magnetic pulse, when that amount of energy is so tiny, not even a speck dust that can be registered compared to energy of the universe???? Just wanna know.

It's a complete impossibility for it to have had any effect at all. It's worse than the Hulk being choked out by a snake. Phoenix ate an entire star and all it's EM radiation as a midnight snack yet we are supposed to believe that an unimaginably infinitesimal fraction of that energy killed her?

 

[LexCorp]

It's a complete impossibility for it to have had any effect at all. It's worse than the Hulk being choked out by a snake. Phoenix ate an entire star and all it's EM radiation as a midnight snack yet we are supposed to believe that an unimaginably infinitesimal fraction of that energy killed her?

The HULK was choked out by a snake?

 

[shapeshifter]

When that trump card can eat your whole frickin universe and ask for seconds.

if she were really that powerful why is their any injustice in the Marvel U? Her supposed power is greater than her actions or her will to use said power. she would not turn the tide.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

if she were really that powerful why is their any injustice in the Marvel U? Her supposed power is greater than her actions or her will to use said power. she would not turn the tide.

The Phoenix destroys. It's not concerned with petty concerns of justice at all. The Phoenix, in fact, is neither good nor evil by any human standards, it's kind of like Galactus in that regard.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Sweet Jesus, do you really believe that Galactus can not breach magneto's shield? You're talking about one of the most powerful cosmic beings in the MU. A being who can give a man like Norrin Radd titanic power(The SS can beat Mags by the way), but can't breach a magnetic shild from a mutated human whom he could strip of his powers or scatter his atoms or turn him into a lump of rubber. A being who can eat planets including the Magnetic fields and EM fields that are connected to it can not breach a sheild from the same planet that was created by a human who is drawing power from or manipulating it?? Galactus destroyed a couple of star systems in that Annihilation Wave which included multiple planets and Suns with ease, but yet he can't breach magneto's shield? Again roll eyes.

It happened. Magneto is almost as powerful as Silver Surfer in his prime. Even Galactus is subject to the electromagnetic spectrum. He's created wormholes in space, can bend light and even manipulate radiation like microwaves...he's damn powerful

JEan Grey as phoenix can't beat Galactus. I don't care how many say that the Phoenix is as powerful as Galactus. Why would some human female

...Don't really understand the sexism

who's only lived for about 20 something years be able to out smart and out think a being who has lived before this universe even came to be and with God like power?

Because she has Godlike power and cosmic awareness just like he does...

Where would she get the expierence?

From the entity that possessed her.

Now i can buy if the Phoenix entity is in control maybe, but now Marvel has recton that the Phoenix isn't a separate entity now and it's been Jean grey all along. Dear Lord in heaven give me a d@mn break.

They retconned that retcon. Phoenix is now part of Jean Grey's biology.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

They retconned that retcon. Phoenix is now part of Jean Grey's biology.

Isn't that basically the same retcon Nokio mentioned? That Jean is and always has been the Phoenix?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Isn't that basically the same retcon Nokio mentioned? That Jean is and always has been the Phoenix?

Oh, I misunderstood his post. Even so, biology or not, the Pheonix is still the "immortal, unchanging, immutable force of all life". It cannot be destroyed and ironically it was the Phoenix Force that saved Galan from eternal damnation and allowed him passage into the next Universe following the Big Bang.

 

[shapeshifter]

The Phoenix destroys. It's not concerned with petty concerns of justice at all. The Phoenix, in fact, is neither good nor evil by any human standards, it's kind of like Galactus in that regard.

so who is to say that it would be bothered to save the x-men's sorry asses

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Because Jean would be and the Phoenix and Jean have been retconned into the same being. Makes me all sorts of glad Jean is apparently staying away from the X-Men for good now.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Reading this thread makes me hate Marvel more and more than I already did. No surprise to me the only title I read from them is Daredevil. I hate all that cosmic-power beings and crap. Making certain characters god-like one second, and yet so normal one second that they have difficult taking down minor characters. Not saying DC doesn't do the same, but I find it more common whenever I hear about Marvel stuff.

I'll take DC's continuity mess ups and confusion over Marvel's inconsitent power bull**** any day.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I think that's more about perception than the companies' actual faults. Marvel has more than its share of continuity ****-ups and DC has more than its share of inconsistent power portrayals, after all.

 

[fifthfiend]

Because Jean would be and the Phoenix and Jean have been retconned into the same being. Makes me all sorts of glad Jean is apparently staying away from the X-Men for good now.

So wait, where'd this retcon happen? Last I was aware the retcon was that it had originally been Jean posessed by the phoenix when she was eatin' planets and things, doing away with the space-egg shenannigans, but the Phoenix itself was still a separate entity which presumably could elect to take its business elsewhere, such as when it was going around posessing Emma and the triplets and whatever else Endsong was about.

I don't pay a whole lot of close attention to X-stuff so if I'm missing something / just fell behind by a retcon or two, it wouldn't be too big of a shock.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it was either in the tail end of Morrison's run or in the Phoenix: Endsong or Warsong minis.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So wait, where'd this retcon happen? Last I was aware the retcon was that it had originally been Jean posessed by the phoenix when she was eatin' planets and things, doing away with the space-egg shenannigans, but the Phoenix itself was still a separate entity which presumably could elect to take its business elsewhere, such as when it was going around posessing Emma and the triplets and whatever else Endsong was about.

I don't pay a whole lot of close attention to X-stuff so if I'm missing something / just fell behind by a retcon or two, it wouldn't be too big of a shock.

In Endsong we find out one of the "pieces" of the Phoenix, which were scattered by Xornito, was Jean. When all the pieces were scattered they returned and incubated in the White Hot Room, until a Shi'ar device attempted to reconstitute them. It then fell to Earth and attempted to be healed by the X-Men. The X-Men lured the force into Emma Frost, but at this time the Phoenix realized that the missing piece of itself was in fact Jean...it's primary host. So the Force merged with her fully again, and set out to find it's other pieces.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That sounds remarkably stupid.

 

[fifthfiend]

In Endsong we find out one of the "pieces" of the Phoenix, which were scattered by Xornito, was Jean. When all the pieces were scattered they returned and incubated in the White Hot Room, until a Shi'ar device attempted to reconstitute them. It then fell to Earth and attempted to be healed by the X-Men. The X-Men lured the force into Emma Frost, but at this time the Phoenix realized that the missing piece of itself was in fact Jean...it's primary host. So the Force merged with her fully again, and set out to find it's other pieces.

Wow, I actually read Endsong and I didn't remember any of that.

I was probably subconsciously blocking it out in self-defense.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Understandable for X-comics in general, really.

 

[shapeshifter]

Reading this thread makes me hate Marvel more and more than I already did. No surprise to me the only title I read from them is Daredevil. I hate all that cosmic-power beings and crap. Making certain characters god-like one second, and yet so normal one second that they have difficult taking down minor characters. Not saying DC doesn't do the same, but I find it more common whenever I hear about Marvel stuff.

I'll take DC's continuity mess ups and confusion over Marvel's inconsitent power bull**** any day.

I second that

 

[trustyside-kick]

Eh, I think that's more about perception than the companies' actual faults. Marvel has more than its share of continuity ****-ups and DC has more than its share of inconsistent power portrayals, after all.

Oh I know both companies have continuity mess ups, just DC is always viewed as "too confusing" for newer readers.

Also, the explanation (or you could argue expansion) for Cyclops', Magneto's and Iceman's powers (just using these three as examples) I think are completely ******ed (granted I like these characters); not the idea of evolution and all, that part is cool...it is how far they go with it that pisses me off. I understand the whole "looking at a more logical aspect", but I mean come on. There are certain limits. Now Iceman is supposed to be so damn powerful? Now all of a sudden Cyclops' eyes are a "dimensional portal" or some bull**** that stores energy? That's ******ed; and these two are some of my favorite X-Men and I'm saying this.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the X-Men comics tend to go very over the top with their power levels. The second mutants start routinely challenging the likes of gods, they've become far too powerful. A Franklin Richards here and there is one thing, but I'm pretty tired of the fact that every other mutant seems to be omega-level now.

 

[Badfish40oz]

Is this a joke? Who voted in this poll, the JLA?

First of all Batman becomes a non-factor because he's human and he sucks. (Sick Kitty Pryde's dragon on him).

Secondly, Professor X gets into Superman's mind and he's on the X-Men's team for the rest of the fight. Then, Iceman freezes the Flash instantly.

So it becomes Superman and the X-Men vs Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawk-Man, and Green Arrow.

Wolverine takes an arrow to the eye and laughs about it, before decapitating Green Arrow. Angel DESTORYS Hawkman without breaking a sweat.

So now it's . .

Superman and the X-men vs Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter. Hmm . . Even the most hardcore DC fan HAS to agree, Superman and the X-men take this one . . should I even go on?

Fine. Jean Grey becomes Dark Phoenix just for the hell of it and creates a sun in Wonder Woman's brain (completely unnecessary but fun). Then Proffesor X has Superman EAT the Martain Manhunter just to add insult to injury.

X-Men win. The End.







. . . j/k

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So you really think the JLA would win?

 

[SenseiofCheese]

But again, if he was REALLY going for it, The Flash could have them all dead before any of the stuff you mentioned happened.

What I think the X-Men have going for them, is that they have more members who are willing to go as far as killing an opponent, (Wolverine, Phoenix), whereas I think most of the superpowered beings in the JLA would hold back to avoid killing anyone.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, if it were crazy-with-grief Walter West rather than our own beloved Wally.