JLA vs. The X-men

JLA vs. The X-men

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I know its been said many times in this thread but I'll repeat it anyway.

JLA vs. the Avengers or JLA vs. the Defenders would be a much harder call and the teams would be much more evenly matched. Although, Dr. Strange on the Defenders would be pretty hard for the JLA to counter unless you spot the JLA Dr. Fate or the Spectre.
 
Who would win? Batman, Wonderwoman, Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Green Arrow, and Aquaman as the JLA. Versus Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey(With the Phoenix), Colossus, Bishop, Gambit, and Magneto(he is an unactive member). Who would win? Vote!

There's no fight here.

What can Gambit do that Green Arrow can't?
What can Colossus do that Aquaman can't?
What can Wolverine do that Batman can't?
What can Bishop do that Superman can't?
What can Magneto do that Martian Manhunter can't?
What can Rogue do that Hawkgirl can't?
What can Storm do that Flash can't
What can Cyclops do that Wonder Woman can't?
Heck, what can Phoenix do that Green Lantern can't? Really?

And that's not including the JLA's best inactive members... throw in Dr. Strange for Hawkgirl and kiss the baby on this one.

Even with the Avengers, the only one who stands any REAL chance is Thor, area effect magic users and Cap when he's fighting Batman. Everyone else is toast. Iron Man? vs GL? are you SERIOUS!!!!? Get outta here. Class 75 is for TEEN TITANS.

Titans/Outsiders vs X-Men would be a good fight though...
JLA vs Defenders + Marvel's biggest, baddest and best would be a good fight...
 
Iron Man's not class 75 anymore. No one at Marvel is in classes anymore. They're all at nebulous strength levels that are generally higher than what they were at when the older Handbooks came out. The Thing was teaching the Class 100 training at the Initiative, for example. He used to be Class 80 or something.
 
What can Gambit do that Green Arrow can't?

Make things he touches explode.

What can Colossus do that Aquaman can't?

Be made of metal, I guess.

What can Wolverine do that Batman can't?

Lots of things: Heal from near fatal injuries in an incredibly short amount of time, track people and animals using only his senses for miles and miles, have an indestructible skeliton, and hold down his liquor.

What can Bishop do that Superman can't?

Absorb any energy directed at him, including kinetic energy, and then rerelease it as a weapon when he has enough stored up?

What can Magneto do that Martian Manhunter can't?

Manipulate electromagnetic fields.

What can Rogue do that Hawkgirl can't?

Absorb powers, memories, and life energy with a touch.

What can Storm do that Flash can't

Control the weather with her mind.

What can Cyclops do that Wonder Woman can't?

Shoot optic blasts.

Heck, what can Phoenix do that Green Lantern can't? Really?

Absorb entire suns and planets as a fuel source, alter matter on a sub-atomic level to the point where she could do stuff like transmute lead into a fully edible chocolate bar, or turn thousands of people into pure steam, and read minds.

Even with the Avengers, the only one who stands any REAL chance is Thor, area effect magic users and Cap when he's fighting Batman. Everyone else is toast. Iron Man? vs GL? are you SERIOUS!!!!? Get outta here. Class 75 is for TEEN TITANS.

I don't know about that. Former Avengers include The Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hercules, Sersi, and Quasar to name a few. Hardly weaklings.
 
Jesus, why do these vs. threads always break down into "DC's characters are unrealistic and stupid" arguments?

Because DC's characters are unrealistic and stupid!

...you can't handle the truth!
 
Handle, understand... Sure, I guess I can see the validity in that.
 
Yes DC characters are more stupid than an Metal Clawed, Immortal, Wolf Mutant Hybrid thing. Anyone else cringe at the Wolverine/ Sabretooth Immortality/ being mutant wolf things stuff?
 
Yes DC characters are more stupid than an Metal Clawed, Immortal, Wolf Mutant Hybrid thing. Anyone else cringe at the Wolverine/ Sabretooth Immortality/ being mutant wolf things stuff?

What in the blue bloody hell are you talking about?
 
He's probably saying that Wolverine is a crappy character.

And he is absolutely right.
 
I always imagined the JLA and the X-Men to be on almost equal footing with one exception: the JLA has Superman. And THAT makes all the difference.
 
What also makes all the difference is all the other characters the JLA has that are so much better than the X-Men.
 
Ah, I see. He just worded it very strangely.

This is why I try to avoid sarcasm on the internet. It just tends to confuse things, and even in cases where the sarcasm does carry through, it's usually no less effective to just straightforwardly state whatever point you're trying to make.
 
There's no fight here.

What can Gambit do that Green Arrow can't?
Increase the vibrations of atoms at the atomic level in inorganic matter and cause it to explode.
What can Colossus do that Aquaman can't?
Colossus doesn't have to eat, breathe, sleep and has metal skin.
What can Wolverine do that Batman can't?
Regenerate from near fatal injuries. Breakdown all toxins within his body. Avoid fatigue. Produce unbreakable metal claws from his hands. Possess above average strength for a man of his size.
What can Bishop do that Superman can't?
Absorb and redirect energy, including kinetic and heat.
What can Magneto do that Martian Manhunter can't?
Control anything on the electromagentic spectrum. Cause aynurisms, strokes and heart attacks. Manipulate the iron within someone's body. Resist mindcontrol.
What can Rogue do that Hawkgirl can't?
Absorb the powers of her opponent, and at the moment, kill them stone cold dead with one touch.
What can Storm do that Flash can't
Control the weather.
What can Cyclops do that Wonder Woman can't?
Destroy mountains just by looking at them.
Heck, what can Phoenix do that Green Lantern can't? Really?
Well aside from controlling all matter at the sub atomic level, she can absorb suns, generate enough destructive power to destroy an entire solar system...potentially even a galaxy. Siphon energy off of matter. She seems to also have some control over space time itself.
And that's not including the JLA's best inactive members... throw in Dr. Strange for Hawkgirl and kiss the baby on this one.
Dr. Strange is a Marvel character and very very powerful one at that.
Even with the Avengers, the only one who stands any REAL chance is Thor, area effect magic users and Cap when he's fighting Batman.
Heracles, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Warbird, Photon, Sentry for example have all been Avengers members...most of whom match uber powers from DC.
Everyone else is toast. Iron Man? vs GL? are you SERIOUS!!!!? Get outta here. Class 75 is for TEEN TITANS.
Okay...so you realize Iron Man has surpassed class 75 by quiet a bit at this point.
Titans/Outsiders vs X-Men would be a good fight though...
The X-Men would decimate them.
JLA vs Defenders + Marvel's biggest, baddest and best would be a good fight...
That would be.
 
Increase the vibrations of atoms at the atomic level in inorganic matter and cause it to explode.

Colossus doesn't have to eat, breathe, sleep and has metal skin.

Regenerate from near fatal injuries. Breakdown all toxins within his body. Avoid fatigue. Produce unbreakable metal claws from his hands. Possess above average strength for a man of his size.

Absorb and redirect energy, including kinetic and heat.

Control anything on the electromagentic spectrum. Cause aynurisms, strokes and heart attacks. Manipulate the iron within someone's body. Resist mindcontrol.

Absorb the powers of her opponent, and at the moment, kill them stone cold dead with one touch.

Control the weather.

Destroy mountains just by looking at them.

Well aside from controlling all matter at the sub atomic level, she can absorb suns, generate enough destructive power to destroy an entire solar system...potentially even a galaxy. Siphon energy off of matter. She seems to also have some control over space time itself.

Dr. Strange is a Marvel character and very very powerful one at that.

Heracles, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Warbird, Photon, Sentry for example have all been Avengers members...most of whom match uber powers from DC.

Okay...so you realize Iron Man has surpassed class 75 by quiet a bit at this point.

The X-Men would decimate them.

That would be.


Ummm....



Make things he touches explode.



Be made of metal, I guess.



Lots of things: Heal from near fatal injuries in an incredibly short amount of time, track people and animals using only his senses for miles and miles, have an indestructible skeliton, and hold down his liquor.



Absorb any energy directed at him, including kinetic energy, and then rerelease it as a weapon when he has enough stored up?



Manipulate electromagnetic fields.



Absorb powers, memories, and life energy with a touch.



Control the weather with her mind.



Shoot optic blasts.



Absorb entire suns and planets as a fuel source, alter matter on a sub-atomic level to the point where she could do stuff like transmute lead into a fully edible chocolate bar, or turn thousands of people into pure steam, and read minds.



I don't know about that. Former Avengers include The Vision, Scarlet Witch, Hercules, Sersi, and Quasar to name a few. Hardly weaklings.
 
Marvels C.H.A.R.A.C.T.E.R.S are more grounded in reality IMO they have personalitys and they are not one trick gimmick characters like Flash (we get it he can run fast)
The main difference between Marvel characters and DC characters lies in their stage of development. DC characters were created during the 1940s and therefore are very much tied to World War II history...this largely accounts for the multiple Earths and legacy characters. The need to explain both their history and the multiple comic companies they have bought out over the years. This also accounts somewhat for the powers.

The DC heroes are somewhat viewed as godlike because most of them were created when comics had no sense of continuity. The powers, therefore, tend to be more iconic. You have a king of the seas, and incredibly fast runner, a godlike father figure, a human athlete, etc. etc.

Because they created these archatypes, people tend to assume they are more powerful or less human than Marvels. Flash is comic's speedster. Aquaman is comic's king of the seas. And Superman is the end all be all of a superhero. However this has merely to do with their prominence, not their actual ability. Originally DC characters were not that powerful, and probably far more grounded in reality than Marvel characters were when they first appeared.

For example, Superman originally was from a planet who had a higher gravitational pull. As a result he could "leap tall buildings" (not fly) and lift heavier objects. Not a huge stretch by the laws of physics. Later he would become an uber powerful near cosmic...who may one day evolve to Godhood. However that was not the original intention of the character. This is similar in relation to Flash, Hawkman, and Aquaman who started out with far more down to Earth powers. Even Batman started out as a reasonably decent fighter with a great physique who carried a gun to fight crime...a little more believable than a guy with 15 graduate degrees and 127 black belts.
why do you think Batman is DC greatest asset?
That's just fanboyism.
because people can relate to him far more then superman or Aquaman characters who havent changed much since there conception.
Well we just covered why that isn't the case with Superman.

As for Aquaman, ask any Aquaman fan (do they still make those:huh: ) and he/she will tell you: he is one of the most inconsistent characters in the DCU. He's gone from a relatively fast swimmer who can talk to fish, to an underwater Superman, to a magic based character and now an undersea Conan.
Marvel characters also have far more interesting powers Characters like rouge are a masterstroke in design she can absorb the powers of others but prolonged contact can kill the victim this creaes the situation where she can never really get close to people she isnt a god like amazon with no real weaknesess like WW.
Understand, while the mainstays of DC are pretty basic, due to their age (and their powers play out a little more complexly...but they are somewhat basic for sake of argument), DCU B and C listers are just as unique. For example characters like Obsidian (who lives in shadows), Dr. Fate, the Spectre, Deadman, Beast Boy, The Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, etc. have all given us characters with unique abilities.

And also remember, part of the reason characters like the Flash and Wonder Woman don't seem so "unique" or "interesting" as Rogue or Cyclops (in terms of power) is because their powers have gotten played out so many times since they were created. At one time a speedster was a relatively unique idea.
new marvel characters like Darwin whos body evolves to combat each situation (underwater he grows gills,if he has absolutely no chance of victory in a battle his body simply teleports him elsewhere) and the late Maggot (no stomach instead two giant slugs who eat matter and burrow back into the stomach cavity to release the food into his body) are also great far better then DC IMO.
Maggot, ugh no. A man's who has the power to shut down a restaraunt...no thanks.
 
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