JLA vs. The X-men

[Flash Facts]

Do you have anyway to support that statement? Is her wikki correct? It has no mention of cosmic awareness as one of her powers. Are you saying she can tell the future? Also if Jean limits the phoenix's powers so much then why does everyone think it would be such an easy win for her?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Do you have anyway to support that statement? Is her wikki correct? It has no mention of cosmic awareness as one of her powers. Are you saying she can tell the future?

She knows what you want to do before you can do it, also she has altered reality in the past (New X-Men 154), so yes...she has what could be considered latent pre-cog abilities. I wouldn't take you bearings from wiki.

Also if Jean limits the phoenix's powers so much then why does everyone think it would be such an easy win for her?

She doesn't limit her abilities. The X-Men, being her family of sorts are somewhat a special case. However there was a what if, written by Claremont shortly after the Phoenix Saga. In it she accidentally kills the X-Men, Scott included. Upon realizing Scott had died, she consumed the Universe and everyone in it.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The Phoenix was generally only defeated because Jean was all confused or not aware of how powerful she really was or holding back. Jean was its handicap.

That was really only the case during the early Phoenix Saga, Morrisons lame "I have to tie off all these story lines I set down so other people don't attempt to undermine my work" ending to Planet X notwithstanding.

 

[Flash Facts]

She knows what you want to do before you can do it

Isn't that just her cosmic scale telepathy at work?

also she has altered reality in the past

How does altering reality equal telling the future?

 

[Phenomenal]

I'm curious as to which X-Man could beat him instantly besides possibly phoenix.

Magneto!!!!!

I gave you scans where Maggs pwned the Phoenix.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Cosmic Awareness is the ability to link your mind to the very fabric of creation and draw information from it. It is limited by the mind of the perceiver and function on different levels for different people. Xavier has it to a very limited scale, Strange to a greater degree mostly oriented toward the magical forces of the universe, the Surfer has an all around version that is highly developed. Phoenix and the other conceptual entities have the full absolute version and can simply know whatever they want about anything. Phoenix forced that version on Mastermind and he nearly went insane when he came back from it and realized what he lost.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Isn't that just her cosmic scale telepathy at work?

Yes, but in addition, like all cosmic entities she has "cosmic awareness" meaning she is connected to all creation. Phoenix is the "primal force" of the universe. She is as connected to it as Living Tribunal and Eternity are.

How does altering reality equal telling the future?

If you have control of the future you, by nature, know the future.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

And her unrestrained again in a "What if"

 

[Flash Facts]

Controlling the future and altering reality are not the same thing. Those scans while impressive feats show nothing about her being able to tell the future. So why did you post them? Suffer by your definition of cosmic awareness wouldn't that mean The Flash also has cosmic awareness?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

All the Flash has is an IV that feeds him energy to allow him to move fast. He has no senses other than humans have.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Controlling the future and altering reality are not the same thing. Those scans while impressive feats show nothing about her being able to tell the future. So why did you post them? Suffer by your definition of cosmic awareness wouldn't that mean The Flash also has cosmic awareness?

Here is a scan of where she mind melds with Jason Wyngarde, granting him the cosmic awareness she possesses.

 

[Flash Facts]

Umm no The Flash can sense movement.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Umm no The Flash can sense movement.

Dude, I can sense movement.

 

[Flash Facts]

Can you sense the motion of any object in the world on the atomic level as well?

 

[Phenomenal]

Cosmic Awareness is the ability to link your mind to the very fabric of creation and draw information from it. It is limited by the mind of the perceiver and function on different levels for different people. Xavier has it to a very limited scale, Strange to a greater degree mostly oriented toward the magical forces of the universe, the Surfer has an all around version that is highly developed. Phoenix and the other conceptual entities have the full absolute version and can simply know whatever they want about anything. Phoenix forced that version on Mastermind and he nearly went insane when he came back from it and realized what he lost.

Cosmic awareness can't really help Phoenix in battle though (Like many other characters).

Captain Marvell had the best cosmic awareness because his is suited for combat. Unlike the Phoenix (or any other character) his cosmic awareness lets him no when to strike, precog!

 

[Kitsune]

again it depends on the writer and who is in the line up.

I know who would defeat Pheonix though

Spoiler

John De Lance would get his @$$ kicked. I'd like to see it though, I hear he's a bit of a jerk.

 

[CaptainClown]

Well I meant in the terms of Star Trek like Q, but I wouldn't doubt that he is a jerk

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Cosmic awareness can't really help Phoenix in battle though (Like many other characters).

Captain Marvell had the best cosmic awareness because his is suited for combat. Unlike the Phoenix (or any other character) his cosmic awareness lets him no when to strike, precog!

Mar-Vell had an excellent all around version that was good for just about anything, not just combat. It was not precognitive though that I can recall. It told him things about his environment that his great skill was able to take advantage of.

 

[Phenomenal]

Mar-Vell had an excellent all around version that was good for just about anything, not just combat. It was not precognitive though that I can recall. It told him things about his environment that his great skill was able to take advantage of.

Nah, Mar-Vell had some precog because his cosmic awareness told him when the time was right to strike his opponent.

 

[Nokio]

Kitty Pryde and Vision have been shown ineffective at phasing through Magneto's fields. As for Green Lantern...I suppose he could yank the iron from his body, use it to rip him in half. He could turn his energy against him. Drain him of his power. Drop a mountain on top of him.

Does anyone know exactly what type of energy it is that the GL power ring generates? I thought it was random magical energy that the Guardians collected. So magneto can now control magic? Well that's if the energy is still magic in nature. At any rate why is some so sure that magneto can just take control of a GL's power ring??? That i want to know. I'm certain the Guardians put failsafes in those rings. They are after all sending out a police force basically in a universe with many different forms of life, and beings with many types of abilites. Why would they give these rings to people if they could be so easily taken over by telepaths or energy manipulators? Heck their's a whole planet of Magnetos. Forgot the name but it's where Cosmic Boy of the LSH is from. Every one has magnetic powers.

Also that ring is the most powerful weapon in the universe, with it's only limitations being the ring bearer's imagination. I don't know if a skilled GL like Hal would be easily beaten. Kyle also contained Solaris the living Star when it went nova, no wait Kyle made it go nova, then contained it in that story arc with the JLA from the far future. Can Magneto contain an exploding star now? Has that been added to his list of ever growing abilities?? I don't know what you would call what Kyle did, but that was one hell of a feat for him to do. Me thinks Kyle wouldn't be the push over either.

 

[Nokio]

Couldn't Wally crush Mags in that field he throws up? Wally can after all lend and drain speed from other things. He used his powers one time to give Superman added speed too where supes went past the speed of light. Couldn't he do that to magneto and slam him into the moon or something? Magneto does not have a Superhuman body, he could easily be stabbed with a knife if caught off gurad. At a certain point and this is real science that the human body can not withstand the forces of going beyond a certain speed. Our internal organs would be crushed. Now we all know that Wally is immune to that do to his connection with the speed force or whatever and that he could move at high speeds with others and protect them, but he wouldn't do it to protect mags. How would magneto have a defense against that or even know that wally could do that thing wiith speed?

I know someone is going to say that Mags shield would protect him from the impact or prevent his internal organs from being pounded. Well according to Star trek and they do a good enough job of at least trying to explain science, and it's certainl isn't as far fethced as some of the science explained in comics, but having a shiled around you simply isn't enough to protect you from the force of Speed. It's why the Ships in Strar Trek also have inertia dampeners.

People who are bias just assumes that magneto will figure out the JLA so easily, while they wouldn't have no clue as to what they were up against. JLA takes it.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I don't know what they are currently saying the green energy is but at one time it was stated to be psionic energy generated by the minds of the Guardians. It started out billions of years ago as very strong but more common types of mind power that gradually developed into the emerald energy form. As for containing an exploding star I doubt it but it might be possible. A star generates its own magnetic field. It might be possible to contain the star by tapping into and manipulating its own field. That's reaching though. Rings can be and have been sucked dry of their energy. Mantis of Apokalips once did it to Hal.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Maybe Wally could and maybe not. We don't know whether the transfer of speed will work on Magneto's shield. Magneto's power can strengthen his body if he wants it to. In addition transferring energy to Magneto to accelerate him would not produce acceleration pressure since acceleration pressure is created when a separate object is accelerating itself and presses on the body to cause it to accelerate to match. The primary object of acceleration, in this case Magneto himself, would feel nothing.

 

[Flash Facts]

Couldn't he just speed up the blood in his veins and give him an aneurysm or the chemicals in his brain to knock him out like Walter did to ummm I think it was Alchemy. Also The Flash has taken out magnetic shields before with his speed like Morta's "Atom" which was supposed to be impenetrable.

 

[Fantasyartist]

Any team with Superman on it would win!( Much as i hate to admit it!) Even Colossus's power pales before that of the man of steel

Terry