JLA vs. The X-men

[TheCorpulent1]

I think you meant "easily" instead of "possibly."

 

[Phenomenal]

yeah....but Flash has some really bad showings as well.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Just like Magneto and virtually every other long-lived character. He also has some pretty incredible showings, and I don't think it's even remotely unreasonable to assume that if Nightcrawler and the Beast could catch Magneto off-guard with a fastball special, the Flash couldn't do the same at his own at more than 100,000 times their speed.

 

[Flash Facts]

The JLA's biggest advantage is their speed. Most of the proposed team is insanely faster then the proposed X-men team. The fight can and most likely would be over in less then a second.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Except for the Phoenix's presence, which still means the fight would be over in less than a second, but also means that the X-Men would win.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Since the physical body of Phoenix is only a construct anyway no physical attack whether by Flash, Superman, MM or anyone else will have any significant effect other than to possibly make Phoenix mad. Super speed or not physical attacks against a non physical entity are worthless.

 

[Flash Facts]

Possibly, Does The Phoenix also have super speed? If so how fast? Also didn't someone give her a hart attack or something?

Edit: But doesn't she need to get a new host once her Corporeal form is destroyed?

 

[Anubis]

If the X-Men get Phoenix then the JLA should get the original ION. It's only fair.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's what I said.

 

[Anubis]

I mean, when Phoenix was at her absolute most powerful, was she ever really an X-Man at the time? I don't think she should count. She was mostly an enemy when she was sporting the full phoenix deal. Ion, on the other hand, was fully in control of his actions, and was a member of the JLA for the entire time he was Godlike.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I think neither should have any business in this fight. Powerful characters? Yes, that is to be expected for both teams. Omnipotent/Cosmically powerful characters? Hell no.

Both rosters need adjustments. This versus thread just sucks. I propose someone more in tune with both teams and knowledge of the members should make a new thread with a new roster for both. Then maybe we would have some interesting debates.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I mean, when Phoenix was at her absolute most powerful, was she ever really an X-Man at the time? I don't think she should count. She was mostly an enemy when she was sporting the full phoenix deal. Ion, on the other hand, was fully in control of his actions, and was a member of the JLA for the entire time he was Godlike.

Technically, although I think he got the Ion power and ditched it without really doing much with the JLA. I remember a cover of Ion and Superman mean-mugging each other, and he helped John Stewart out, but that was about it.

 

[Anubis]

He stopped an alien invasion by himself while he was with the JLA at the watchtower having their briefing. Bat's was all like "This is gonna be big, they've got weapons that could take out Superman, and a nearly endless armada. We're gonna have to..."

And Kyle was like "It's okay guys, I took care of them. Supes, go get me a coke or something, I'm kinda parched."

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I missed that issue, I guess. I gotta read that sometime.

I think my favorite thing about Kyle as Ion the first time around was that he could literally be in several places at once.

 

[Anubis]

I know, He kept a virtual planet Israel from committing a single act of violence for like a week.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Original Ion was teh hotness.

 

[Anubis]

But alas, it could never last.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he needed his humanity back. Think about it: Kyle with a custom-made, super-badass ring, his awesome Jim Lee costume, and his humanity intact; or The Dark Ion Saga. Which would you prefer?

 

[Anubis]

.....Bad-ass Jim Lee costume, Humanity Kyle.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You know it, son.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The most powerful version of Phoenix was the one in the M'Kraan crystal. It was a lot more powerful than Dark Phoenix who is #2 in power. Dark Phoenix was simply the most uninhibited and dramatic version. Jean was an active X-Man in both incarnations.

 

[Anubis]

It was certainly an awesome week though. Starving Africans got fed. Alien babies didn't get blowed up by alien religious nuts, Superman and Batman got pwned by the awesomeness of Rayner, who did a job that they possibly couldn't have pulled off without even getting up from his seat. Good times.

 

[Anubis]

The most powerful version of Phoenix was the one in the M'Kraan crystal. It was a lot more powerful than Dark Phoenix who is #2 in power. Dark Phoenix was simply the most uninhibited and dramatic version. Jean was an active X-Man in both incarnations.

I'll have to take your word for it on that M'Kraan crap. But when your own teamates decide it's time to take you out, you're off the team.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's a pretty standard rule of thumb there. Teammates who are actively trying to kill you really aren't your teammates anymore.

 

[Flash Facts]

I think my favorite thing about Kyle as Ion the first time around was that he could literally be in several places at once.

If I'm not mistaken Wally has accomplished a similar feat also. While he was a member of the JLE and the JLA he fought on both teams at the same time in different places.