The Dark Knight Joker Casting Threads [merged-30]

[Tangled Web]

sean penn.

 

[Nick Kal]

There are definite nos for me when casting Joker... Depp, Hammill, DeFoe, Lee, etc... And I really do want Hulme for the role... Glover would be ok.. but not great, IMO... but really I do think that I'm going to sit back and wait for the Joker casting announcement and I'm sure I'll be please with Nolan's decision. He didn't dissapoint with Batman, did he?

 

[VenomFang]

By the way VF, where do you get "Beautiful" and "Elegant". I wouldn't describe him as either of those. He's actually kind of clumsy....

If you watched the animated Batman series, you would know that Joker is asthetically pleasing. He is a very chizzled, distinct looking man. There is nothing clumsy about him either, he is Batman's greatest foe. No clumsy man could ever challenge the Batman.

Crispin Glover for Joker.

 

[Tropics]

The best actor is long since dead, the perfect Joker is the freaky looking old black and white actor manip BY FAR.

 

[VenomFang]

The best actor is long since dead, the perfect Joker is the freaky looking old black and white actor manip BY FAR.

You are way off and you know nothing about the Joker. Joker isn't scary. He utilizes tools of death, which is what you should be scared of. The Joker himself is actually disarming in his charm and wit. Infact, on the surface, he almost seems like the most fun person in the world to hang out with. Problem is, beyond his jesting he wants to kill you, and have fun doing it. That's what is scary about the Joker, but the Joker himself and his entire shtick is to be not scary. Even Jack Nicholson's Joker, which is by far the darkest and cynical version of the character, became an acceptable media figure, during the parade scene. He was embraced, even when he physically looked scarier than his intended comic book rendering. That is the truth behind the character, he isn't scary, and isn't trying to scare you. He is trying to be your friend, then gas you.

More on the Joker; he is Batman's polar opposite. Batman uses fear to intimdate you, Joker uses jokes and gags to lower your gaurd. Where Batman uses discipline and self-imposed rules and regulations, Joker re-invents himself everyday and relishes in chaos and mayhem, and JOY. Literally, he loves what he does, where as Batman uses his pain to fuel him. That is why Joker is opposite of Batman. Batman hates his costume, he hates criminals, and he hates having to do what he feels he has to do. Joker however gets off on his own antics. Joker isn't scary, he isn't in pain, he loves what he does, and he kills people. That is the Joker, the perfect opposite of Batman.

More yet, The Joker is an ex-comedian who's wife died accidently during the testing of a baby-bottle heater. That drove her husband nutty, and on that fateful night, during a robbery he was obligated to perform, he fell into those chemicals. Totally unhinged, the ex-comedian beleived life to be a sick joke, and the white skin and green hair didn't help matters. Joker can't be scary, because he had a wife, and was expecting a child. There is a very human element to the Joker, that has never been brought to the screen. If you search the boards you will find who I want to play him, but this isn't a casting thread. This is to inform all of you why Joker is Batman's greatest foe, and the pathos and metaphors behind their eternal battle. Also, I hope to put to rest all the ideas of making Joker scary and freakish, when he is meant to be rather beautiful and compelling. I hope this has been educational.

 

[Digital_Ashes]

No no no no no, Joker isn't FUNNY, he is a FAILED comedian, he isn't charming, he isn't beautiful, THAT'S THE THING.

The fact is the Joker should be grotesque, he should be horribly mutated from the acid, not happy and clownish. He should kind of remind you of a clown with the looks, with the pale skin and green hair that's it.

The Joker is sick and demented, and not to mention criminally insane. He wasn't American Dad, he wasn't Mr. Amazing, he was an abusive guy.

Batman and Joker aren't opposite at all, infact they are quite the same, except the chose different paths. I mean logically speaking Bruce Wayne is completely insane, he dresses up as a bat, and strikes "fear" into wrong-doers, a vigilante basically, his own form of justice, which is fear. Joker could have done the same thing, but he chose to kill people who deemed wrong, it is the same principal as Batman except to the extreme, Joker is like Batman with no morals and huffing turpentine. The Joker uses his pain as misfortune to his advantage, not his Jokes, because he isn't funny. I mean one of his nicknames is, "The Harlequin of Hate" he is evil, he has no morals, and he logistically the same as batman but multiplied by 200.

 

[VenomFang]

Joker was never ugly, or grotesque. He is a very chizzled, defined looking man. (with the obvious exception of every live interpretation of the character, sadly) Joker keeps a light atmosphere about him, like he is always in an amusement park. Even during homicidal acts, to Joker, its a joke. When he see's Batman, this super serious, demented man, Joker's gut reaction is to laugh in his face at how absurd the world is. Joker's sense of humor is more based on reality than insanity. By dressing up like a clown, he confirms how rediculous our lives must be, to face a terrorist threat in the form of silliness. There is a great genious behind that, something the Joker you are describing would be uncapable of understanding or conceiving of. He wouldn't be the Joker if he was just a homicidal maniac. What makes the Joker the Joker, is he understands 100% what he is doing, and thinks its really really funny, and ironic.

 

[etrigan69]

If you watched the animated Batman series, you would know that Joker is asthetically pleasing. He is a very chizzled, distinct looking man. There is nothing clumsy about him either, he is Batman's greatest foe. No clumsy man could ever challenge the Batman.

Crispin Glover for Joker.

I wasn't talking about The Joker. I meant Crispin Glover.

 

[Alonsovich]

As I said, no midgets please. We have a 6'1 actor playing Bats. We need someone at least 6'2-6'3 tall for the Joker. Physically imposing, not another midget. Someone to whom you look at and say "hey, that's the Joker" and not "hey, that's XXXXX as the Joker". If this rumor of Hulme is true, then Nolan is going the right direction. A 6'3 tall Joker and totally unknown.

 

[my0pic_spidey]

As I said, no midgets please. We have a 6'1 actor playing Bats. We need someone at least 6'2-6'3 tall for the Joker. Physically imposing, not another midget. Someone to whom you look at and say "hey, that's the Joker" and not "hey, that's XXXXX as the Joker". If this rumor of Hulme is true, then Nolan is going the right direction. A 6'3 tall Joker and totally unknown.

sounds like the twisted puppy known as the crispin glover

 

[deDIKnight]

CHRIS ECCLESTON WILL NOT PLAY JOKER - FULL STOP Dammit!!!!

He gave up playing one iconic character - Dr. Who

he wont go and play another

As for Crispin Glovers "movie" - jeeez

 

[Alonsovich]

sounds like the twisted puppy known as the crispin glover

Glover an unknown? Whatever... 6'3 and unknown sounds like Hulme or someone chosen in a worldwide casting call.

 

[bbb]

 

[Hattori_Gonzo]

Here's an interesting casting choice that came to me the other night after a few too many drinks.

Picture a highly loved children's show host who has been villified by the general public over the last few years due to real and alleged activities? Someone who could easily play "on the edge", as well as vulnerable.

I'm talking about Paul Reubens. Yup, that's right... Pee Wee Herman.

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/2004-03/19-pee-wee-inside.jpg

http://icq.planetout.com/images/popcornq/dbimages/p/peewee.jpg

And as Harley Quinn, the delicious Gwen Stefani...

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/137/039_C50886.jpg

http://www.freecelebrities.org/g/Gwen_Stefani/gwen_stefani_03.jpg


Discuss amongst yourselves...

 

[The Last Meatbag]

Hell no, but Gwen is hot

 

[Hattori_Gonzo]

Hell no, but Gwen is hot

Alright, I'd be willing to find out why there was such a knee-jerk reaction against Reubens?

Chances are, whatever you say is all the more reason for him to play someone we're supposed to hate.

Something to think about, no?

 

[Muze]

If you watched the animated Batman series, you would know that Joker is asthetically pleasing. He is a very chizzled, distinct looking man.

well, all of that should change for the sequel. i want a scary joker; someone you'd be afraid of if he returned home late at night and found him standing in your living room. that photo manip of Conrad Veidt is what the joker should look like. Batman needs someone as equally frightening as himself to face in the sequel. Bruce used a scary creature as a symbol to fight crime. Joker should be the opposite. he should take the image of the happy clown and twist it all to pieces.

 

[Muze]

Alright, I'd be willing to find out why there was such a knee-jerk reaction against Reubens?

Chances are, whatever you say is all the more reason for him to play someone we're supposed to hate.

Something to think about, no?

i hate his voice and the way he laughs.

 

[Hattori_Gonzo]

i hate his voice and the way he laughs.

Ok, I'm confused... As Pee-Wee, or as Reubens? Pee Wee is only a character. Have you seen Reubens in Buffy, or Blow?

 

[Timstuff]

I really hope the Sean Penn rumors are false. Asking Sean Penn to play the Joker is like asking John Kerry to play Jay Leno. Anyone see the Saturday Night Live sketch "Sean Penn's Celebrity Roast"? The man is not Joker material unless they plan on going the Nicholson route but less entertaining.

 

[paranoidboy]

 

[Muze]

Ok, I'm confused... As Pee-Wee, or as Reubens? Pee Wee is only a character. Have you seen Reubens in Buffy, or Blow?

both. what's the difference? and i don't like his sleepy stoner eyes either. reminds me of Edward Furlong.

 

[FreeBeerForAll]

steve coogan for joker. eh? eh??
English actor whose versatile character portrayals, range of voices and gift for mimicry have earned him comparisons with the late Peter Sellers.

 

[amazinspiderman]

i think adrien brody is a very talented actor who could pull the joker off very well. he is my second choice behind glover. also no pretty boys like depp and law. and why is everyone sayuing unknown? they didnt cast one "unknown" for any part in the first movie. why would they start now? what they have done is hired actors based upon their acting skills and not their fame. what a concept. if only batman forever and batman and robin employed this same train of thought

 

[Detective Flass]

Tim Roth for the Joker!!!!