Daredevil Jon Bernthal IS Frank Castle / The Punisher!

[Binker]

So after seeing the trailer, alot of people are obviously saying that Marvel's Punisher is better than Thomas Jane's or War Zone, but I think that's a bad move to make. TJ was a great Punisher, as Dirty Laundry clearly showed, the movie itself just had a weak script with nice moments; War Zone is underrated and unfairly treated as a bad movie which it's not, it was released in the wrong time, and I like that movie more than TJ's version.

As for this trailer, IDK: sure I see the Punisher, sure he's in Daredevil's show that is perfect because of how pitch black the show is, but I'm not saying he's better than TJ or WZ' versions, nor am I saying the actor is bad. It's great that Punisher is part of the MCU, interacting with Daredevil and others in the future, but there is nothing that makes me scream that this is better than the previous two versions. I would go as far as to say Marvel's Punisher is in the same veins of the previous versions.

I'm so, so happy that the psychological depth of Castle is going to be explored. The movies just didn't do it was well as it should be done.

When I think about Punisher and how to use him now, I sadly think of Josh Hadley and his POV. He believes Punisher DOESN'T work today because he is not a Vietnam veteran, because the things Vietnam vets went through is not the same as Iraqi vets, and thus he doesn't have nor deserve to have the same treatments (his words). He just thinks Punisher should only work in the era of the '70s and 80s. With Garth Ellis as a prime example, I completely disagree with this man.

 

[Web-Head]

The title of this thread is accurate, Jon Bernthal literally IS the Punisher.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope he not only gets a skull, but also that his hair grows out and it's not such a skinhead look. I want his hair longer and fuller, particularly at the sides.

 

[antonydelfini]

He looks perfect as Castle. Does not even need the emblem on his chest. Bernthal is going toe to toe with Cox in the acting department. I actually consider Cox's performance in season 1 as the greatest superhero performance ever. Let's see if Bernthal tops him.

 

[Web-Head]

I hope he not only gets a skull, but also that his hair grows out and it's not such a skinhead look. I want his hair longer and fuller, particularly at the sides.

The only reason he has short hair is because of the film he was working on before filming Daredevil

 

[Balthus Dire]

I'm probably stretching it here, but it kinda looks like he has a skull in this shot:

Like many others, I'm betting he doesn't get it until the end of the season, or close to it. Which sucks, but this is clearly another origin for Frank as he talks about the scum who killed his family, so I'm willing to keep an open mind if they do him justice.

Which it looks like they very likely have. Can't wait for this.

 

[righthooksrus86]

I'm probably stretching it here, but it kinda looks like he has a skull in this shot:

Like many others, I'm betting he doesn't get it until the end of the season, or close to it. Which sucks, but this is clearly another origin for Frank as he talks about the scum who killed his family, so I'm willing to keep an open mind if they do him justice.

Which it looks like they very likely have. Can't wait for this.

Thats what I was thinking too.

 

[TheVileOne]

But I mean, how do you end this season? The Punisher is basically being positioned as the villain this season. So how do they resolve this in a satisfying way so these characters go their separate ways and Punisher is still continuing his war on crime without Daredevil doing anything else to stop him?

 

[Bruce Malone]

But I mean, how do you end this season? The Punisher is basically being positioned as the villain this season. So how do they resolve this in a satisfying way so these characters go their separate ways and Punisher is still continuing his war on crime without Daredevil doing anything else to stop him?

That's a funny point. At first I was like well we'll just see the Punisher leave to take on his own path after it all but the Punisher is supposed to operate in New York as well?

I guess Matt will be like "ok, you can continue your reign of bloody destruction, just not in Hells Kitchen, cool?"

 

[Balthus Dire]

Or Matt gets bigger problems, i.e.: Hand, and Frank becomes small potatoes.

it'd be neat if Frank got arrested at the end and the first season (or part of it) of Punisher takes place in jail a la Circle of Blood. Or, like The Cell where he goes to jail on purpose to get at a guy on the inside.

 

[BrollySupersj]

But I mean, how do you end this season? The Punisher is basically being positioned as the villain this season. So how do they resolve this in a satisfying way so these characters go their separate ways and Punisher is still continuing his war on crime without Daredevil doing anything else to stop him?

I've wondered this myself. Perhaps they move him to Los Angeles? I don't read the comics like I should, but I believe that's where the Punisher is now, perhaps someone can correct me?

Now how do the comics handle it? Because I did read Punisher vs The Avengers with Rachel-Cole Alves, and it seemed like most of the heroes in New York let Frank go about his business.

When Spider-Man assembled the Avengers, he made a case to stop Frank, and everyone just walked away with the mentality of "yeah no not this again".

 

[marcvader]

Who knows how they settle things, maybe they end up having the same enemy or one saves the others life. Who cares? It's up to the writers to give us a convincing resolution. They obviously realize they're on the same side just disagree about how to go about it. Castle will probably just have to stay off Matts turf or check in with him first in the future.

 

[TheVileOne]

Who knows how they settle things, maybe they end up having the same enemy or one saves the others life. Who cares? It's up to the writers to give us a convincing resolution. They obviously realize they're on the same side just disagree about how to go about it. Castle will probably just have to stay off Matts turf or check in with him first in the future.

I care because they are important story elements, and it seems the obvious goal is to give Bernthal his own Punisher series...if there's anything to those rumors.

But then, look what ended up happening with Kilgrave in Jessica Jones. The end to that season is sort of why I care. Also look at what happened to other characters in season 1 of Daredevil.

 

[Norek]

So after seeing the trailer, alot of people are obviously saying that Marvel's Punisher is better than Thomas Jane's or War Zone, but I think that's a bad move to make. TJ was a great Punisher, as Dirty Laundry clearly showed, the movie itself just had a weak script with nice moments; War Zone is underrated and unfairly treated as a bad movie which it's not, it was released in the wrong time, and I like that movie more than TJ's version.

I agree with you. While I'm not the biggest fan of the previous two Punisher movies (haven't seen the Dolph Lundgren one), I can't deny that both Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson had their own great takes on the character. And for the record I didn't like WZ at all at the time I watched it, and I have no urge to rewatch it anytime soon, but that had nothing to do with RS's version of the Punisher.

I'm excited about Jon's take though; he really brings the intensity in this trailer and seems like he ain't ****ing around. I don't even care about the skull (as I'm sure it'll come up at some point), all I want is to see a great character development and depth.

 

[chamber-music]

I think The Punisher will probably end up in prison by the end of the season but he will escape like he always does in the comics. Frank will move on and continue his crusade somewhere else.

Ray Stevenson was a good Punisher. In a better movie he could of been great.

Dolph Lundgren's Punisher was very much like the Punisher eighties Punisher comics of the time. The naked sewer dwelling, rhyming character Shake and lack of rights to use the skull design sucked but overall it isn't anywhere near as bad as people make out. Even by Punisher movie standards the 89 film was very low budget. Some elements of Punisher 89 remind me a lot of Kill Bill. The director is Mark Goldblatt is primarily known for his editing work.

Check out The Punisher 1989 - Best Scene on youtube (can't post it hear because of the swearing). Really great scene between Lou Gossett Jr and Lundgren's Punisher.

 

[Norek]

I think The Punisher will probably end up in prison by the end of the season but he will escape like he always does in the comics. Frank will move on and continue his crusade somewhere else.

It was rumored a while ago that by episode 6-7 Frank will be arrested and facing chargers in court. So if that happens to be true, I guess the first half of the season will be mainly Daredevil Vs Punisher, and then later on with Stick, Elektra and The Hand, they will work together somehow.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I think The Punisher will probably end up in prison by the end of the season but he will escape like he always does in the comics. Frank will move on and continue his crusade somewhere else.

Ray Stevenson was a good Punisher. In a better movie he could of been great.

Dolph Lundgren's Punisher was very much like the Punisher eighties Punisher comics of the time. The naked sewer dwelling, rhyming character Shake and lack of rights to use the skull design sucked but overall it isn't anywhere near as bad as people make out. Even by Punisher movie standards the 89 film was very low budget. Some elements of Punisher 89 remind me a lot of Kill Bill. The director is Mark Goldblatt is primarily known for his editing work.

Check out The Punisher 1989 - Best Scene on youtube (can't post it hear because of the swearing). Really great scene between Lou Gossett Jr and Lundgren's Punisher.

I feel like that movie would have been more fondly remembered if they had just cast a better lead. Lundgren just looked stoned out of his mind the whole time. That guy can't act to save his life. I don't know if there's any truth to the rumor that Michael Pare had been in consideration for the role at the time, but I wish it would have happened. He would have been great, or at least better than Lundgren.

The other two Punisher films were the reverse; good lead actor, bad everything else.

 

[Dark Raven]

I feel like that movie would have been more fondly remembered if they had just cast a better lead. Lundgren just looked stoned out of his mind the whole time. That guy can't act to save his life. I don't know if there's any truth to the rumor that Michael Pare had been in consideration for the role at the time, but I wish it would have happened. He would have been great, or at least better than Lundgren.

The other two Punisher films were the reverse; good lead actor, bad everything else.

I got the impression that he was meant to look stoned, as if he was so completely numb with grief that he couldn't feel anything anymore, and that killing wasn't just to get revenge but to allow him to feel something again.

But part of why it wasn't fondly remembered was that he didn't have a skull at all, so he was just a generic maniac with a gun, which is what Bernthal would be if he doesn't get the skull either.

 

[Whatupman]

I got the impression that he was meant to look stoned, as if he was so completely numb with grief that he couldn't feel anything anymore, and that killing wasn't just to get revenge but to allow him to feel something again.

But part of why it wasn't fondly remembered was that he didn't have a skull at all, so he was just a generic maniac with a gun, which is what Bernthal would be if he doesn't get the skull either.

Umm, how can you say that Bernthal would just be a generic maniac with a gun if he doesn't have the skull, when you haven't even watched him in a single episode?

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Seems like Castle hasn't been branded the Punisher yet, he's only started making waves in the media by wiping out thugs. No doubt it'll be another end of the season costume change.

Something major must happen by the end, to force the two to stop fighting each other, if not team up. I'd guess Kingpin becomes more aggressive.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think The Punisher will probably end up in prison by the end of the season but he will escape like he always does in the comics. Frank will move on and continue his crusade somewhere else.

I think you are right. That's pretty much the only logical ending for Punisher this season. He will have to get defeated by Daredevil and thrown in jail. But he does escape and moves over to another series.

Maybe Punisher eventually acknowledges Daredevil and lets him keep Hell's Kitchen, and Punisher goes to find criminal prey elsewhere?

It's not like Daredevil is going to relocate. Matt sees Hell's Kitchen as his home, so he's not going to police the rest of the world.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I think The Punisher will probably end up in prison by the end of the season but he will escape like he always does in the comics. Frank will move on and continue his crusade somewhere else.

Ray Stevenson was a good Punisher. In a better movie he could of been great.

Dolph Lundgren's Punisher was very much like the Punisher eighties Punisher comics of the time. The naked sewer dwelling, rhyming character Shake and lack of rights to use the skull design sucked but overall it isn't anywhere near as bad as people make out. Even by Punisher movie standards the 89 film was very low budget. Some elements of Punisher 89 remind me a lot of Kill Bill. The director is Mark Goldblatt is primarily known for his editing work.

Check out The Punisher 1989 - Best Scene on youtube (can't post it hear because of the swearing). Really great scene between Lou Gossett Jr and Lundgren's Punisher.

The '89 movie has a special place in my heart. Has some really great scenes (the casino, funfair and dojo fight scenes are great EDIT: forgot about the dock scene) and gets a lot on undeserved flack. Dolph WAS Jim Lee's Punisher come to life. And I'm actually a fan of the score.

 

[KDM1986]

I think you are right. That's pretty much the only logical ending for Punisher this season. He will have to get defeated by Daredevil and thrown in jail. But he does escape and moves over to another series.

Maybe Punisher eventually acknowledges Daredevil and lets him keep Hell's Kitchen, and Punisher goes to find criminal prey elsewhere?

It's not like Daredevil is going to relocate. Matt sees Hell's Kitchen as his home, so he's not going to police the rest of the world.

Agreeing with this, they should definitely move Frank to another city by the end of the season, Maybe Chicago or Detroit. Be nice to see them start to spread the Heroes out. Hoping to see moon knight after the defenders. Start seeing Heroes in cities all over the world.

 

[TheVileOne]

Detroit would probably be a good spot for Frank Castle because it's not inhabited by other superheroes.

 

[metaphysician]

But I mean, how do you end this season? The Punisher is basically being positioned as the villain this season. So how do they resolve this in a satisfying way so these characters go their separate ways and Punisher is still continuing his war on crime without Daredevil doing anything else to stop him?

Well, one option is "you don't": end the season with Frank Castle sent to prison. He can continue his war from inside maximum security, at least until some suitable dramatic moment. Its not like Matt is going to follow him to Chicago if he breaks out and wages his war elsewhere.